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1/26/2011 11:19:58 PM
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I was just wondering if any of you have a problem with Jesus teachings specifically. Not with Gods existence or if Jesus was an actual person. Strictly is their something that Jesus said that you just have a problem with. Ready GO
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1/26/2011 11:34:54 PM
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Nah, no real problem.

Sermon on the Mount is just straight up unconditional love to all. It made me cry the first time I read it.
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1/26/2011 11:36:33 PM
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Of course, there are a few things, yeah.. But for the most part, I don't really have a problem with how he taught to treat other people.
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1/27/2011 12:25:07 AM
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meh. unconditional love kind of destroys the concept of love. or at least the value of it. whats great about being "loved" by someone who feels the same about everyone else, even people they find contemptible?
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1/27/2011 12:28:00 AM
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Anyone that wants to see bluesteel turn into a racist and get embarrassed tune into the debate comments box titled.

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1/27/2011 12:29:49 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:28:00 AM, ASB wrote:
Anyone that wants to see bluesteel turn into a racist and get embarrassed tune into the debate comments box titled.

Free will is better than forced will

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1/27/2011 12:31:08 AM
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At 1/26/2011 11:19:58 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
I was just wondering if any of you have a problem with Jesus teachings specifically. Not with Gods existence or if Jesus was an actual person. Strictly is their something that Jesus said that you just have a problem with. Ready GO

Oh, there are a couple of little things, like cursing the fig tree and not condemning slavery and child abuse specifically when he had the chance. But these are negligible.
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1/27/2011 12:32:13 AM
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At 1/26/2011 11:19:58 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
I was just wondering if any of you have a problem with Jesus teachings specifically. Not with Gods existence or if Jesus was an actual person. Strictly is their something that Jesus said that you just have a problem with. Ready GO

Depends on what you believe Jesus said. I don't think he said all the things they say he said in the Bible, but his teachings that are recorded by historians I trust and I have no problems with those.
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1/27/2011 12:38:00 AM
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My biggest problem with him... Probably his claim that he's the "son of God". ^_^
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1/27/2011 12:44:20 AM
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I can't remember who said this, but there was some comedian who had a joke along the lines of this:

"What if historians were wrong? What if everything written down, that Jesus 'said' was sarcastic? Like, 'Yeah. Okay. The meek will inherit the Earth. Sure. And while we're at it, yeah. I'm the Son of God. Eat my flesh and drink my blood. Sounds good. Do unto others as they'd do unto you? Duh!' Then, the writers just took the good parts and wrote them down. Who would know? We read it like it's always serious. But I think Jesus was just a funny guy."
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1/27/2011 12:45:03 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:38:00 AM, annhasle wrote:
My biggest problem with him... Probably his claim that he's the "son of God". ^_^

I don't think historical Jesus ever did that.
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1/27/2011 12:47:41 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:25:07 AM, belle wrote:
meh. unconditional love kind of destroys the concept of love. or at least the value of it. whats great about being "loved" by someone who feels the same about everyone else, even people they find contemptible?

Nothing is special about being loved by someone like that, but there certainly is something special about being able to love like that. Course, I don't believe anyone IS able to love like that. Especially since it is borderline retarded in certain situations.

At 1/27/2011 12:38:00 AM, annhasle wrote:
My biggest problem with him... Probably his claim that he's the "son of God". ^_^

That'll do it.
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1/27/2011 12:49:54 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:45:03 AM, Korashk wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:38:00 AM, annhasle wrote:
My biggest problem with him... Probably his claim that he's the "son of God". ^_^

I don't think historical Jesus ever did that.

What do you mean by that?
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1/27/2011 12:50:33 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:47:41 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Nothing is special about being loved by someone like that, but there certainly is something special about being able to love like that. Course, I don't believe anyone IS able to love like that. Especially since it is borderline retarded in certain situations.

someone who is able to love in spite of their feelings of contempt/disgust/whatever is special why? if we agree that that kind of love is empty anyways then whats so great about achieving it?
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1/27/2011 12:53:32 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:31:08 AM, tigg13 wrote:
At 1/26/2011 11:19:58 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
I was just wondering if any of you have a problem with Jesus teachings specifically. Not with Gods existence or if Jesus was an actual person. Strictly is their something that Jesus said that you just have a problem with. Ready GO

Oh, there are a couple of little things, like cursing the fig tree and not condemning slavery and child abuse specifically when he had the chance. But these are negligible.

Very.
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1/27/2011 12:56:00 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:45:03 AM, Korashk wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:38:00 AM, annhasle wrote:
My biggest problem with him... Probably his claim that he's the "son of God". ^_^

I don't think historical Jesus ever did that.

I don't think the historical Jesus ever did it either.. The only gospel where he outright does anything like this is John, in all the other gospels, it is everyone else who is like "Holy sh!t, this guy is the son of god."

When it was brought up to him, Jesus' response was like, "Don't fvcking tell people that, you twat!"

....

Peter was bad at keeping to himself.

I kind of see it like this.. Jesus didn't die FOR OUR sins, he died BECAUSE OF OUR sins.. and by our, I mean the wankers who surrounded him. Turned him into a god, ended up getting him killed for blasphemy. He was just an average joe who happened to have some common sense advice. If people back then were as stupid as people are today, it doesn't seem to weird that he was inflated into something huge.

Then again, he could have just been a cult leader. Who knows really? It's hard to take a guess at what Jesus was really like.

One thing I can pretty much say with certainty though.. Anyone who hangs out with tax collectors and prostitutes has got to be a piiiiimp, and anyone who turns water into wine after everyone drank the first keg has to be a party animal. Hell, if you imagine Jesus as a complete drunk, it puts everything into perspective. He was definitely an "I love you maaaaaan.. No you don't understand, I reallly love you, maaan" type of drunk.
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1/27/2011 12:56:49 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/27/2011 12:31:08 AM, tigg13 wrote:
At 1/26/2011 11:19:58 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
I was just wondering if any of you have a problem with Jesus teachings specifically. Not with Gods existence or if Jesus was an actual person. Strictly is their something that Jesus said that you just have a problem with. Ready GO

Oh, there are a couple of little things, like cursing the fig tree and not condemning slavery and child abuse specifically when he had the chance. But these are negligible.

Uh...he spoke against wholesale oppression of any kind...
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1/27/2011 12:58:42 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:56:00 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
One thing I can pretty much say with certainty though.. Anyone who hangs out with tax collectors and prostitutes has got to be a piiiiimp, and anyone who turns water into wine after everyone drank the first keg has to be a party animal. Hell, if you imagine Jesus as a complete drunk, it puts everything into perspective. He was definitely an "I love you maaaaaan.. No you don't understand, I reallly love you, maaan" type of drunk.

IT MAKES SENSE NOW.

This matches what I said before. He gets hammered and BAM. He tells everyone to eat his flesh and drink his blood, that his Mom was a virgin when he was born, and brags that he can walk on water.

And the whole "world peace!" thing as well.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

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1/27/2011 12:59:47 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:50:33 AM, belle wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:47:41 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Nothing is special about being loved by someone like that, but there certainly is something special about being able to love like that. Course, I don't believe anyone IS able to love like that. Especially since it is borderline retarded in certain situations.

someone who is able to love in spite of their feelings of contempt/disgust/whatever is special why? if we agree that that kind of love is empty anyways then whats so great about achieving it?

I'd consider it pretty ridiculous and shallow if my parents stopped loving me whenever I messed up.
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1/27/2011 1:01:21 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:59:47 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:50:33 AM, belle wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:47:41 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Nothing is special about being loved by someone like that, but there certainly is something special about being able to love like that. Course, I don't believe anyone IS able to love like that. Especially since it is borderline retarded in certain situations.

someone who is able to love in spite of their feelings of contempt/disgust/whatever is special why? if we agree that that kind of love is empty anyways then whats so great about achieving it?

I'd consider it pretty ridiculous and shallow if my parents stopped loving me whenever I messed up.

it depends on the degree to which you mess up. obviously you shouldn't expect the person you love to be perfect, but nor should you claim to love them no matter what. what if you found out they raped children? etc...
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1/27/2011 1:03:44 AM
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At 1/27/2011 1:01:21 AM, belle wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:59:47 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:50:33 AM, belle wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:47:41 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Nothing is special about being loved by someone like that, but there certainly is something special about being able to love like that. Course, I don't believe anyone IS able to love like that. Especially since it is borderline retarded in certain situations.

someone who is able to love in spite of their feelings of contempt/disgust/whatever is special why? if we agree that that kind of love is empty anyways then whats so great about achieving it?

I'd consider it pretty ridiculous and shallow if my parents stopped loving me whenever I messed up.

it depends on the degree to which you mess up. obviously you shouldn't expect the person you love to be perfect, but nor should you claim to love them no matter what. what if you found out they raped children? etc...

Honestly, if someone did their time, and they honestly felt bad about it, I'd forgive them.
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1/27/2011 1:07:14 AM
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At 1/27/2011 12:49:54 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:45:03 AM, Korashk wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:38:00 AM, annhasle wrote:
My biggest problem with him... Probably his claim that he's the "son of God". ^_^

I don't think historical Jesus ever did that.

What do you mean by that?

I think the meaning is fairly clear. I remember reading a debate or thread where Geo made a case for the Christian mythos turning historical Jesus into something he never claimed to be.

http://www.debate.org...
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1/27/2011 1:12:11 AM
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At 1/27/2011 1:07:14 AM, Korashk wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:49:54 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:45:03 AM, Korashk wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:38:00 AM, annhasle wrote:
My biggest problem with him... Probably his claim that he's the "son of God". ^_^

I don't think historical Jesus ever did that.

What do you mean by that?

I think the meaning is fairly clear. I remember reading a debate or thread where Geo made a case for the Christian mythos turning historical Jesus into something he never claimed to be.

http://www.debate.org...

And how much have you actually read by scholars (atheist, agnostic, and Christian) when they are determining what the historical Jesus was like or said?
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1/27/2011 1:15:01 AM
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At 1/27/2011 1:12:11 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/27/2011 1:07:14 AM, Korashk wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:49:54 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:45:03 AM, Korashk wrote:
At 1/27/2011 12:38:00 AM, annhasle wrote:
My biggest problem with him... Probably his claim that he's the "son of God". ^_^

I don't think historical Jesus ever did that.

What do you mean by that?

I think the meaning is fairly clear. I remember reading a debate or thread where Geo made a case for the Christian mythos turning historical Jesus into something he never claimed to be.

http://www.debate.org...

And how much have you actually read by scholars (atheist, agnostic, and Christian) when they are determining what the historical Jesus was like or said?

That debate is pretty much the extent of my knowledge.
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1/27/2011 1:15:10 AM
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I actually have a book of notes that I made as I read the new testament.

Matthew, Chapter 15, verses 22-26

Why would Jesus deny someone who requested help (a woman asked him to heal her daughter)? Does he only perform miracles when crowds are watching? Did he not say in Chapter 6, verse 2 to do charitable deeds in private? Then in Luke, Chapter 6, verse 30 Jesus says, "Give to everyone who asks of you".

Luke, Chapter 8, verse 39
Luke, Chapter 8, verse 56

When Jesus performs miracles, why does he tell some people to tell others about it, and tell others to tell no one?

----

I don't know how accurate these verses are, I wrote this a long time ago.
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1/27/2011 1:17:21 AM
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At 1/27/2011 1:15:10 AM, nonentity wrote:
I actually have a book of notes that I made as I read the new testament.

Matthew, Chapter 15, verses 22-26

Why would Jesus deny someone who requested help (a woman asked him to heal her daughter)? Does he only perform miracles when crowds are watching? Did he not say in Chapter 6, verse 2 to do charitable deeds in private? Then in Luke, Chapter 6, verse 30 Jesus says, "Give to everyone who asks of you".

Luke, Chapter 8, verse 39
Luke, Chapter 8, verse 56

When Jesus performs miracles, why does he tell some people to tell others about it, and tell others to tell no one?

----

I don't know how accurate these verses are, I wrote this a long time ago.

To be frank, I doubt that any of the gospels are accurate in the slightest. It is commonly agreed on by scholars that they were all written 30 or more years after the fact, and none of them by people who actually knew Jesus.
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1/27/2011 1:21:22 AM
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At 1/27/2011 1:17:21 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 1/27/2011 1:15:10 AM, nonentity wrote:
I actually have a book of notes that I made as I read the new testament.

Matthew, Chapter 15, verses 22-26

Why would Jesus deny someone who requested help (a woman asked him to heal her daughter)? Does he only perform miracles when crowds are watching? Did he not say in Chapter 6, verse 2 to do charitable deeds in private? Then in Luke, Chapter 6, verse 30 Jesus says, "Give to everyone who asks of you".

Luke, Chapter 8, verse 39
Luke, Chapter 8, verse 56

When Jesus performs miracles, why does he tell some people to tell others about it, and tell others to tell no one?

----

I don't know how accurate these verses are, I wrote this a long time ago.

To be frank, I doubt that any of the gospels are accurate in the slightest. It is commonly agreed on by scholars that they were all written 30 or more years after the fact, and none of them by people who actually knew Jesus.

You're also aware that it's commonly agreed on by scholars that the Gospels provide most of the information we get in determining that the "historical" Jesus existed and, to some extent, what he was like, right?
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1/27/2011 1:24:12 AM
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At 1/27/2011 1:21:22 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/27/2011 1:17:21 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 1/27/2011 1:15:10 AM, nonentity wrote:
I actually have a book of notes that I made as I read the new testament.

Matthew, Chapter 15, verses 22-26

Why would Jesus deny someone who requested help (a woman asked him to heal her daughter)? Does he only perform miracles when crowds are watching? Did he not say in Chapter 6, verse 2 to do charitable deeds in private? Then in Luke, Chapter 6, verse 30 Jesus says, "Give to everyone who asks of you".

Luke, Chapter 8, verse 39
Luke, Chapter 8, verse 56

When Jesus performs miracles, why does he tell some people to tell others about it, and tell others to tell no one?

----

I don't know how accurate these verses are, I wrote this a long time ago.

To be frank, I doubt that any of the gospels are accurate in the slightest. It is commonly agreed on by scholars that they were all written 30 or more years after the fact, and none of them by people who actually knew Jesus.

You're also aware that it's commonly agreed on by scholars that the Gospels provide most of the information we get in determining that the "historical" Jesus existed and, to some extent, what he was like, right?

Yes, but that doesn't mean they paint an accurate picture.
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1/27/2011 1:29:04 AM
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At 1/27/2011 1:24:12 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Yes, but that doesn't mean they paint an accurate picture.

Well the thread was assuming he existed. That implies we're assuming the Bible is accurate. And based on the Bible, those are some of the questions I came up with.