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CosmicAlfonzo
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3/5/2011 7:58:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Butterflies are pretty fvcking trippy, I'll give you that.
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3/5/2011 8:01:22 PM
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I think the green sea slug is the most amazing: http://www.wired.com...
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3/5/2011 8:07:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/5/2011 8:01:22 PM, tvellalott wrote:
I think the green sea slug is the most amazing: http://www.wired.com...

Pokemons is real?
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3/5/2011 8:08:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/5/2011 8:07:52 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 3/5/2011 8:01:22 PM, tvellalott wrote:
I think the green sea slug is the most amazing: http://www.wired.com...

Pokemons is real?

Mighty morphin Power Slugs.
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3/7/2011 11:19:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/5/2011 7:08:26 PM, flames wrote:
whats the evolution history of the catipillar and butterfly

It was a bird that microevolutionized, in Africa some can still mate with birds.
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3/7/2011 12:01:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/7/2011 11:19:46 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 3/5/2011 7:08:26 PM, flames wrote:
whats the evolution history of the catipillar and butterfly


It was a bird that microevolutionized, in Africa some can still mate with birds.

lol thats such bs. they're insects.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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3/7/2011 6:02:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/7/2011 12:01:46 PM, belle wrote:
At 3/7/2011 11:19:46 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 3/5/2011 7:08:26 PM, flames wrote:
whats the evolution history of the catipillar and butterfly


It was a bird that microevolutionized, in Africa some can still mate with birds.

lol thats such bs. they're insects.
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3/7/2011 6:02:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/5/2011 7:08:26 PM, flames wrote:
whats the evolution history of the catipillar and butterfly

The catipillar and the butterfly in relation to evolution is like having a dream within a dream. Has anyone had a dream within a dream?
Zetsubou
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3/7/2011 6:05:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/7/2011 6:02:46 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 3/7/2011 12:01:46 PM, belle wrote:
At 3/7/2011 11:19:46 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 3/5/2011 7:08:26 PM, flames wrote:
whats the evolution history of the catipillar and butterfly


It was a bird that microevolutionized, in Africa some can still mate with birds.

lol thats such bs. they're insects.
I nice to know you think so highly of me.
Never the less, this little critter makes me close windows at night.
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7/11/2014 10:50:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/11/2014 10:01:01 PM, rross wrote:
At 7/11/2014 9:22:03 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
So what's the evolution story of the caterpillar?

http://www.scientificamerican.com...

=)

"The pupal stage arose later as a kind of condensed nymphal phase that catapulted the wriggly larvae into their sexually active winged adult forms."


That's it? That's the best explanation you've got for how incrementally developing insects evolved into insects where the embryo becomes free-living and replaces the incremental steps with one, single step where it digests virtually it's entire body and rebuilds it almost from the ground up into an adult?

That's not a story nor an explanation, that's just re-asserting what I'm demanding be explained.

Thanks for trying though.
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7/11/2014 11:32:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/11/2014 10:50:54 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 7/11/2014 10:01:01 PM, rross wrote:
At 7/11/2014 9:22:03 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
So what's the evolution story of the caterpillar?

http://www.scientificamerican.com...

=)

"The pupal stage arose later as a kind of condensed nymphal phase that catapulted the wriggly larvae into their sexually active winged adult forms."


That's it? That's the best explanation you've got for how incrementally developing insects evolved into insects where the embryo becomes free-living and replaces the incremental steps with one, single step where it digests virtually it's entire body and rebuilds it almost from the ground up into an adult?

That's not a story nor an explanation, that's just re-asserting what I'm demanding be explained.

Thanks for trying though.

No worries. Scientific American is for a lay audience. Here's the more scientific version.

http://www.toriah.org...
rross
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7/11/2014 11:34:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/11/2014 11:32:29 PM, rross wrote:
At 7/11/2014 10:50:54 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 7/11/2014 10:01:01 PM, rross wrote:
At 7/11/2014 9:22:03 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
So what's the evolution story of the caterpillar?

http://www.scientificamerican.com...

=)

"The pupal stage arose later as a kind of condensed nymphal phase that catapulted the wriggly larvae into their sexually active winged adult forms."


That's it? That's the best explanation you've got for how incrementally developing insects evolved into insects where the embryo becomes free-living and replaces the incremental steps with one, single step where it digests virtually it's entire body and rebuilds it almost from the ground up into an adult?

That's not a story nor an explanation, that's just re-asserting what I'm demanding be explained.

Thanks for trying though.

No worries. Scientific American is for a lay audience. Here's the more scientific version.

http://www.toriah.org...

Sorry, I thought I was posting up this article from Nature (but I wasn't):

http://www.nature.com...
GarretKadeDupre
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7/12/2014 12:54:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/11/2014 11:34:26 PM, rross wrote:
At 7/11/2014 11:32:29 PM, rross wrote:
At 7/11/2014 10:50:54 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 7/11/2014 10:01:01 PM, rross wrote:
At 7/11/2014 9:22:03 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
So what's the evolution story of the caterpillar?

http://www.scientificamerican.com...

=)

"The pupal stage arose later as a kind of condensed nymphal phase that catapulted the wriggly larvae into their sexually active winged adult forms."


That's it? That's the best explanation you've got for how incrementally developing insects evolved into insects where the embryo becomes free-living and replaces the incremental steps with one, single step where it digests virtually it's entire body and rebuilds it almost from the ground up into an adult?

That's not a story nor an explanation, that's just re-asserting what I'm demanding be explained.

Thanks for trying though.

No worries. Scientific American is for a lay audience. Here's the more scientific version.

http://www.toriah.org...

Sorry, I thought I was posting up this article from Nature (but I wasn't):

http://www.nature.com...

Are you kidding me? This paper is even worse. Here's literally all they've got:

"[S]election for undergoing all growth in the larval form would completely separate the resources used for growth from those used for reproduction. This would reduce the nymphal stage to a single instar that no longer needed to feed but served as the transition between larva and adult; IT BECAME THE PUPA." (emphasis mine)

It "became the pupa"? Is that the best anyone's got? Have these people even raised a single caterpillar to the butterfly stage, or compared a nymph of any insect to a chrysalis? Nymphs don't just "become pupae." Nymphs look almost identical to the adult stage, while the pupa is not even slightly comparable to the adult. Not even a little bit. I'm missing the "how incrementally growing young evolved into young that digest themselves while hanging upside down in a sealed case until they hatch out a week later with wings and a proboscis"."
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GarretKadeDupre
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7/13/2014 2:04:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/12/2014 6:20:27 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
There's a book on it called "The Hungry Hungry Caterpillar".

Pope Innocent III didn't believe the Earth was flat.
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7/14/2014 4:52:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/5/2011 7:08:26 PM, flames wrote:
whats the evolution history of the catipillar and butterfly

It is still not completely understood, but there is an idea of how it happened.
http://www.scientificamerican.com...

BTW, if you are trying to argue for Intelligent Design, this is not what you would want to bring up. It is similar to the "God of the gaps" argument.