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4/24/2009 10:38:15 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Nuclear energy is arguably the way forward for electricity.

The possibilities of Fusion nuclear energy is immense, as E=M(mass)C(speed of light) 2 (squared) will tell us. However, do you think the funding of fusion energy is justified?
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4/24/2009 10:52:33 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I think the funding is justified for the simple reason that we need it. Our power generating capabilities in certain parts of the world were hyrdo-electric damns or wind/solar power are not feasible are dwindling slowly and polluting majorly. Nuclear power is one way to solve this problem, but also an expensive one. Too expensive for such little output for a small, poorer country. Fusion generation will be expensive as well, but it will generate so much more energy that it will be worth it.

One problem we should be careful about though, the same with nuclear power, is the safety precautions. How safe would this be? Do the risks outweigh the benefits?
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4/24/2009 10:58:27 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 10:52:33 AM, Volkov wrote:
I think the funding is justified for the simple reason that we need it. Our power generating capabilities in certain parts of the world were hyrdo-electric damns or wind/solar power are not feasible are dwindling slowly and polluting majorly. Nuclear power is one way to solve this problem, but also an expensive one. Too expensive for such little output for a small, poorer country. Fusion generation will be expensive as well, but it will generate so much more energy that it will be worth it.

One problem we should be careful about though, the same with nuclear power, is the safety precautions. How safe would this be? Do the risks outweigh the benefits?

It is suspected another 30 years until we can create a controlled Nuclear Fusion explosion. Of course, let's look at the energy output, you can get billions of joules from 1 gram.
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4/24/2009 11:02:11 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Exactly. The fact that you can all this energy from such a small input amount is astounding. We could power every single city and village in Africa alone with just a few of these things. It would help reduce the use of coal power in the US and China, help stop the construction of dams in areas where the environment would be in danger. Our spaceships could actually take us to Mars and back without running out fuel. Benefits are enormous.
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4/24/2009 2:15:35 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 11:02:11 AM, Volkov wrote:
Exactly. The fact that you can all this energy from such a small input amount is astounding. We could power every single city and village in Africa alone with just a few of these things. It would help reduce the use of coal power in the US and China, help stop the construction of dams in areas where the environment would be in danger. Our spaceships could actually take us to Mars and back without running out fuel. Benefits are enormous.

Of course, the risks we run are a lot higher. However, it could give cheap electricity, solve our energy problems and everywhere in the world could have electricity.

Of course, Oil Barons and Petrol princes won't be happy at this. Petrol and Oil will become much cheaper, however, Hybrid, Electric and Hydrogen cars will probably be far more common by then, and the extremely cheap electricity will eliminate the need of oil for heating.

When the technology to downsize such a machine is available, cars will probably have to have their tyres changed before they have to refuel. Also, robots will be more commonplace, and warfare will be greatly enhanced.

The downside? The Middle East's economy fails (They are of course consider Muslim enemies) and like the plans for the electric car, oil companies may buy the plans for nuclear fusion. A scary possibly, albeit a possible one. However,m must of them wil just invest in nuclear energy.
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4/24/2009 2:39:12 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 2:15:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 11:02:11 AM, Volkov wrote:
Exactly. The fact that you can all this energy from such a small input amount is astounding. We could power every single city and village in Africa alone with just a few of these things. It would help reduce the use of coal power in the US and China, help stop the construction of dams in areas where the environment would be in danger. Our spaceships could actually take us to Mars and back without running out fuel. Benefits are enormous.

Of course, the risks we run are a lot higher. However, it could give cheap electricity, solve our energy problems and everywhere in the world could have electricity.

Of course, Oil Barons and Petrol princes won't be happy at this. Petrol and Oil will become much cheaper, however, Hybrid, Electric and Hydrogen cars will probably be far more common by then, and the extremely cheap electricity will eliminate the need of oil for heating.

When the technology to downsize such a machine is available, cars will probably have to have their tyres changed before they have to refuel. Also, robots will be more commonplace, and warfare will be greatly enhanced.

The downside? The Middle East's economy fails (They are of course consider Muslim enemies) and like the plans for the electric car, oil companies may buy the plans for nuclear fusion. A scary possibly, albeit a possible one. However,m must of them wil just invest in nuclear energy.

I feel that if this gets enough support from the public the oil companies will start realizing they need to be energy companies, not just oil. Plus we still need oil/petroleum for a lot of products, and I doubt people will put fusion energy plants in their cars.
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4/24/2009 3:01:26 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I used nuclear fusion when we had our alternative energy topic this year. It was my favorite!
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4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:


" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.
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4/24/2009 3:08:00 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:

" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.

Volkov, God didn't say anything about Nuclear Fusion in the bible! Duh!
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4/24/2009 3:16:18 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:08:00 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:

" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.

Volkov, God didn't say anything about Nuclear Fusion in the bible! Duh!

ACTUALLY in 'Revelations' it states that the 'elements will fuse' and all the opponents of Biblical truth of the day cried " hey! you CANNOT fuse elements! "
UNTIL they split the atom that is..
The Cross.. the Cross.
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4/24/2009 3:19:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:


" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?
I just think it's laughable you guys discussing such lofty plans like you actually have some influence over this stuff..

Get off the computer.
I won't!
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4/24/2009 3:22:15 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:16:18 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:08:00 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:

" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.

Volkov, God didn't say anything about Nuclear Fusion in the bible! Duh!

ACTUALLY in 'Revelations' it states that the 'elements will fuse' and all the opponents of Biblical truth of the day cried " hey! you CANNOT fuse elements! "
UNTIL they split the atom that is..

Why do you have to connect everything to the bible?

This is a science section. We're not talking about scientific connections to the bible. We're discussing the impact of nuclear fusion energy on the world.

If you're not going to commit to the topic at hand, don't even bother to comment! I can see why people call you a thread killer.
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4/24/2009 3:52:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Fusion energy as of now requires more energy than we can capture from it.
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4/24/2009 3:54:52 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:52:50 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
Fusion energy as of now requires more energy than we can capture from it.

And the problem that it isn't controllable.
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4/24/2009 3:56:14 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:54:52 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:52:50 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
Fusion energy as of now requires more energy than we can capture from it.

And the problem that it isn't controllable.

Bingo! Which is why in 100-150 years when we run out of oil we go to nuclear.
There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics"
-Mark Twain

"If at first you don't succeed, redefine success"

"Therefore love moderately. Long love doth so.
Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow."
- William Shakespeare

"There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man."
- Adolf Hitler
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4/24/2009 3:58:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:56:14 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:54:52 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:52:50 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
Fusion energy as of now requires more energy than we can capture from it.

And the problem that it isn't controllable.

Bingo! Which is why in 100-150 years when we run out of oil we go to nuclear.

I'd prefer if we do that sooner rather than later. We should put more funding into this now, and other alternatives including regular nuclear generation, before we get into that hole.
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4/24/2009 4:03:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:58:16 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:56:14 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:54:52 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:52:50 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
Fusion energy as of now requires more energy than we can capture from it.

And the problem that it isn't controllable.

Bingo! Which is why in 100-150 years when we run out of oil we go to nuclear.

I'd prefer if we do that sooner rather than later. We should put more funding into this now, and other alternatives including regular nuclear generation, before we get into that hole.

Yes, I was simply saying the timing of the switch. I completely agree that we should start swapping soon.
There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics"
-Mark Twain

"If at first you don't succeed, redefine success"

"Therefore love moderately. Long love doth so.
Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow."
- William Shakespeare

"There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man."
- Adolf Hitler
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4/25/2009 3:59:51 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:22:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:16:18 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:08:00 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:

" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.

Volkov, God didn't say anything about Nuclear Fusion in the bible! Duh!

ACTUALLY in 'Revelations' it states that the 'elements will fuse' and all the opponents of Biblical truth of the day cried " hey! you CANNOT fuse elements! "
UNTIL they split the atom that is..

Why do you have to connect everything to the bible?

This is a science section. We're not talking about scientific connections to the bible. We're discussing the impact of nuclear fusion energy on the world.

If you're not going to commit to the topic at hand, don't even bother to comment! I can see why people call you a thread killer.

I'd be VERY happy to start discussing terms for the withdraw of all atheism from the religious section. (and mine from here of course)

ROMANS 3:23 For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
ROMANS 6:23 For the WAGES of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
ROMANS 10:9 That IF you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe with your heart that God raised Him up from the dead, you WILL be saved. NKJV
The Cross.. the Cross.
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4/25/2009 4:16:26 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/25/2009 3:59:51 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:22:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:16:18 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:08:00 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:

" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.

Volkov, God didn't say anything about Nuclear Fusion in the bible! Duh!

ACTUALLY in 'Revelations' it states that the 'elements will fuse' and all the opponents of Biblical truth of the day cried " hey! you CANNOT fuse elements! "
UNTIL they split the atom that is..

Why do you have to connect everything to the bible?

This is a science section. We're not talking about scientific connections to the bible. We're discussing the impact of nuclear fusion energy on the world.

If you're not going to commit to the topic at hand, don't even bother to comment! I can see why people call you a thread killer.

I'd be VERY happy to start discussing terms for the withdraw of all atheism from the religious section. (and mine from here of course)


If all atheists and Christians that don't agree with you left the Religion forum, then it would just be you and Godsands praising God. Alone. How sad.

I have no problem with you using your theory of intelligent design, and creationism as long as it isn't paragraph upon paragraph of preaching.

Religion shouldn't be restricted to Christians, and Science shouldn't be limited to Atheists. We could work together if you weren't so damned ignorant.

And I will report your next post with your 3 quotes from the Romans added in. Put it in your signature!
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4/27/2009 9:53:38 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/25/2009 4:16:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2009 3:59:51 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:22:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:16:18 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:08:00 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:

" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.

Volkov, God didn't say anything about Nuclear Fusion in the bible! Duh!

ACTUALLY in 'Revelations' it states that the 'elements will fuse' and all the opponents of Biblical truth of the day cried " hey! you CANNOT fuse elements! "
UNTIL they split the atom that is..

Why do you have to connect everything to the bible?

This is a science section. We're not talking about scientific connections to the bible. We're discussing the impact of nuclear fusion energy on the world.

If you're not going to commit to the topic at hand, don't even bother to comment! I can see why people call you a thread killer.

I'd be VERY happy to start discussing terms for the withdraw of all atheism from the religious section. (and mine from here of course)


If all atheists and Christians that don't agree with you left the Religion forum, then it would just be you and Godsands praising God. Alone. How sad.
No, It was you guys that tried to get me off of this topic..

I have no problem with you using your theory of intelligent design, and creationism as long as it isn't paragraph upon paragraph of preaching.
I have NO theory of either.. I have the Bible.

Religion shouldn't be restricted to Christians, and Science shouldn't be limited to Atheists. We could work together if you weren't so damned ignorant.
Name calling/character assasination.. the last refuge of the pseudo intellectual.

And I will report your next post with your 3 quotes from the Romans added in. Put it in your signature!

You didn't say the magic word!

ROMANS 3:23 For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
ROMANS 6:23 For the WAGES of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
ROMANS 10:9 That IF you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe with your heart that God raised Him up from the dead, you WILL be saved. NKJV
The Cross.. the Cross.
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4/27/2009 10:24:17 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/27/2009 9:53:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/25/2009 4:16:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2009 3:59:51 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:22:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:16:18 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:08:00 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:

" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.

Volkov, God didn't say anything about Nuclear Fusion in the bible! Duh!

ACTUALLY in 'Revelations' it states that the 'elements will fuse' and all the opponents of Biblical truth of the day cried " hey! you CANNOT fuse elements! "
UNTIL they split the atom that is..

Why do you have to connect everything to the bible?

This is a science section. We're not talking about scientific connections to the bible. We're discussing the impact of nuclear fusion energy on the world.

If you're not going to commit to the topic at hand, don't even bother to comment! I can see why people call you a thread killer.

I'd be VERY happy to start discussing terms for the withdraw of all atheism from the religious section. (and mine from here of course)


If all atheists and Christians that don't agree with you left the Religion forum, then it would just be you and Godsands praising God. Alone. How sad.
No, It was you guys that tried to get me off of this topic..

Avoiding the point.

I have no problem with you using your theory of intelligent design, and creationism as long as it isn't paragraph upon paragraph of preaching.
I have NO theory of either.. I have the Bible.

If you can provide evidence the bible is right, then we will gladly listen to you.

Religion shouldn't be restricted to Christians, and Science shouldn't be limited to Atheists. We could work together if you weren't so damned ignorant.
Name calling/character assasination.. the last refuge of the pseudo intellectual.

Avoiding the point completely, again.

And I will report your next post with your 3 quotes from the Romans added in. Put it in your signature!

You didn't say the magic word!

Put it in your signature, puh-leez.
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4/27/2009 1:01:47 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/27/2009 10:24:17 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/27/2009 9:53:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/25/2009 4:16:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2009 3:59:51 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:22:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:16:18 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:08:00 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:01:37 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:

" making all his nowhere plans.. for nobody. "

So you're against any technological progress of any kind too?

Get off the computer.

Volkov, God didn't say anything about Nuclear Fusion in the bible! Duh!

ACTUALLY in 'Revelations' it states that the 'elements will fuse' and all the opponents of Biblical truth of the day cried " hey! you CANNOT fuse elements! "
UNTIL they split the atom that is..

Why do you have to connect everything to the bible?

This is a science section. We're not talking about scientific connections to the bible. We're discussing the impact of nuclear fusion energy on the world.

If you're not going to commit to the topic at hand, don't even bother to comment! I can see why people call you a thread killer.

I'd be VERY happy to start discussing terms for the withdraw of all atheism from the religious section. (and mine from here of course)


If all atheists and Christians that don't agree with you left the Religion forum, then it would just be you and Godsands praising God. Alone. How sad.
No, It was you guys that tried to get me off of this topic..

Avoiding the point.


I have no problem with you using your theory of intelligent design, and creationism as long as it isn't paragraph upon paragraph of preaching.
I have NO theory of either.. I have the Bible.

If you can provide evidence the bible is right, then we will gladly listen to you.


Religion shouldn't be restricted to Christians, and Science shouldn't be limited to Atheists. We could work together if you weren't so damned ignorant.
Name calling/character assasination.. the last refuge of the pseudo intellectual.

Avoiding the point completely, again.

And I will report your next post with your 3 quotes from the Romans added in. Put it in your signature!

You didn't say the magic word!

Put it in your signature, puh-leez.

There you go!
Now.. carry on 'putting the world to rights'..
The Cross.. the Cross.
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4/28/2009 9:04:52 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
To bring this useful topic back from the hands of useless people, I agree with panda that nuclear energy is the way, but not directly.

I say that when we get close enough in theoretics, we should hold off on nuclear fusion until we get rid of fossil fuel dependency completely.

I say we should transition into wind and solar power, which are so much safer although not quite as productive. The most important thing is to wean ourselves off of oil.

Next step will be government control over energy. This is easier as solar and wind power need not be shipped hither and thither. Once we put all energy in government control, we can start funding research for nuclear energy.

My justification for this is simple: We can obtain nuclear energy by way of fusion pretty soon if we devoted enough funding to it. But can we control it? What about international politics and greedy capitalists with the power to sabotage? One destroyed fusion plant can be devastating to the entire world.

Once we eliminate outside control of energy sources and switch to a completely green mode of energy that is controlled by the government, then we can start experimenting on fusion. That's what I propose.
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4/28/2009 9:43:51 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/28/2009 9:04:52 AM, Kleptin wrote:
To bring this useful topic back from the hands of useless people, I agree with panda that nuclear energy is the way, but not directly.

I say that when we get close enough in theoretics, we should hold off on nuclear fusion until we get rid of fossil fuel dependency completely.


I beg to differ. If we find nuclear energy more viable (and safe from scams like the Yucca Mountain scandal) tomorrow, then we should embrace it to wean off fossil fuel dependency.
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4/28/2009 12:25:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
One big problem I find with Nuclear Fusion energy is that the technology would have to be made so that it can't be used to make uncontrolled explosions. Otherwise, it wouldn't solve our energy troubles.
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4/28/2009 12:45:25 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
We should be able to make it work as long as we aren't as dumb as the Japanese energy officials who put about 7 nuclear plants right between two tectonic plates that cause almost yearly earthquakes..
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4/28/2009 1:06:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/28/2009 12:45:25 PM, Epicism wrote:
We should be able to make it work as long as we aren't as dumb as the Japanese energy officials who put about 7 nuclear plants right between two tectonic plates that cause almost yearly earthquakes..

Haha, that is a very good point. But earthquake or not, nuclear power plants are among the safest buildings even in Japan. They're built to withstand shocks, pretty much how all of Tokyo will be given a few years time.
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4/28/2009 1:09:38 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Outside the box thinking:

- Put the nuclear stations on the moon, and have robots run them.

OR

- Put them in India, employ lots of people, and simply buy copious amounts of extension leads.
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