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7/25/2012 2:04:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Epochs and the reference frames.
1
Ptolemee considered, that reference frame which connected
with the Earth is absolute.
2.
Copernicus proved that reference frame which connected
with the Sun is absolute.
3.
Then it was consider that reference frame which connected
with far stars is absolute.
4.
Now it is consider, that reference frame which connected with
relict isotropic radiation T = 2,7K is absolute.
5.
But T = 2,7K is not a constant factor.
This relict isotropic radiation continues to extend and
decrease and with time will reach T=0K.
=======..
Today.
Today physicists refuse to take vacuum as a fundament of Universe.
Book : ‘Dreams of a final theory'
by Steven Weinberg. Page 138.
‘ It is true . . . there is such a thing as absolute zero; we cannot
reach temperatures below absolute zero not because we are not
sufficiently clever but because temperatures below absolute zero
simple have no meaning.'
/ Steven Weinberg. The Nobel Prize in Physics 1979 /
My opinion.
It is true we cannot reach the zero temperature T=0K.
But just because we cannot reach this Vacuum's
parameter, does it mean that it cannot exist ?
#
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a sound?
If unseen virtual antiparticles can appear from vacuum (!)
( Vacuum's fluctuations / transformation / polarization )
and we can observe them as a real particles doesn't it mean
that vacuum itself is an Absolute Reference Frame which
has its own physical parameter – Absolute Zero: T=0K.
#
Tomorrow.
When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum,
that endless infinite void.
http://discovermagazine.com...
=.
Best wishes.
The secret of God and Existence is hidden
in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
tBoonePickens
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7/25/2012 5:02:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 2:04:54 PM, socratus wrote:
Epochs and the reference frames.
1
Ptolemee considered, that reference frame which connected
with the Earth is absolute.
2.
Copernicus proved that reference frame which connected
with the Sun is absolute.
3.
Then it was consider that reference frame which connected
with far stars is absolute.
4.
Now it is consider, that reference frame which connected with
relict isotropic radiation T = 2,7K is absolute.
All rather interesting up until here!

5.
But T = 2,7K is not a constant factor.
Well, more or less; it's pretty close to that value than any other.

This relict isotropic radiation continues to extend and
decrease and with time will reach T=0K.
Well, it will extend and get CLOSER to 0 Kelvin, but it will NEVER reach 0 Kelvin so long as there is ANYTHING in the Universe that is not 0 Kelvin. This is because it will be affected by the surroundings. The only way anything can reach 0 Kelvin is if EVERYTHING reaches 0.

=======..
Today.
Today physicists refuse to take vacuum as a fundament of Universe.
I don't know what "take vacuum as a fundament of Universe" means.

Book : ‘Dreams of a final theory'
by Steven Weinberg. Page 138.
‘ It is true . . . there is such a thing as absolute zero; we cannot
reach temperatures below absolute zero not because we are not
sufficiently clever but because temperatures below absolute zero
simple have no meaning.'
/ Steven Weinberg. The Nobel Prize in Physics 1979 /
This is correct. At absolute zero, things become unitary and singular!

My opinion.
It is true we cannot reach the zero temperature T=0K.
But just because we cannot reach this Vacuum's
parameter, does it mean that it cannot exist ?
Do not confuse a "vacuum" with a "void of nothingness". This concept cannot exist because it is a contradiction. Now if you were to reach absolute zero then space would become perfectly full! This is because in order to reach absolute zero, ALL of existence (ie the Universe) needs to reach absolute zero and when this happens ALL of existence becomes 1 singular undivided whole that is everywhere and everywhen! This is the end of time: the Omega State.

#
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a sound?
Yes. There is are in the forest and in order for a tree to go from one position to another, air must be displaced. Sound is the displacement of air.

If unseen virtual antiparticles can appear from vacuum (!)
Lol at the contradiction: unseen/seen (appear)!

( Vacuum's fluctuations / transformation / polarization )
and we can observe them as a real particles doesn't it mean
that vacuum itself is an Absolute Reference Frame which
has its own physical parameter – Absolute Zero: T=0K.
1) We CANNOT observe virtual particles; this is so by DEFINITION.
2) This shows us that the vacuum isn't really "empty"!

#
Tomorrow.
When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum,
that endless infinite void.
http://discovermagazine.com...
And there in lies the contradiction that proves what I wrote above to be correct! The so called vacuum in not nothingness or a void! It is indeed something!

=.
Best wishes.
Same to you!
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
The_Fool_on_the_hill
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7/25/2012 10:00:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 2:04:54 PM, socratus wrote:
Epochs and the reference frames.
1
Ptolemee considered, that reference frame which connected
with the Earth is absolute.
2.
Copernicus proved that reference frame which connected
with the Sun is absolute.
3.
Then it was consider that reference frame which connected
with far stars is absolute.
4.
Now it is consider, that reference frame which connected with
relict isotropic radiation T = 2,7K is absolute.
5.
But T = 2,7K is not a constant factor.
This relict isotropic radiation continues to extend and
decrease and with time will reach T=0K.
=======..
Today.
Today physicists refuse to take vacuum as a fundament of Universe.
Book : ‘Dreams of a final theory'
by Steven Weinberg. Page 138.
‘ It is true . . . there is such a thing as absolute zero; we cannot
reach temperatures below absolute zero not because we are not
sufficiently clever but because temperatures below absolute zero
simple have no meaning.'
/ Steven Weinberg. The Nobel Prize in Physics 1979 /
My opinion.
It is true we cannot reach the zero temperature T=0K.
But just because we cannot reach this Vacuum's
parameter, does it mean that it cannot exist ?
#
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a sound?
If unseen virtual antiparticles can appear from vacuum (!)
( Vacuum's fluctuations / transformation / polarization )
and we can observe them as a real particles doesn't it mean
that vacuum itself is an Absolute Reference Frame which
has its own physical parameter – Absolute Zero: T=0K.
#
Tomorrow.
When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum,
that endless infinite void.
http://discovermagazine.com...
=.
Best wishes.

The Fool: you are almost in the right forum. Crazy town is one more Forum UP. Almost though. Just one off.
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7/25/2012 10:04:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The Fool: Take The Boone with you. He tends to stray away from home alot. Help him find his way.. He likes it there.. <(XD)
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/26/2012 12:03:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 2:17:48 PM, drafterman wrote:
You have a very unfortunately looking avatar. Looks like you've been convicted of a number of unsavory offenses.

Yes please haze the newcomers so that nobody on this planet takes this site any more seriously than a 4chan forum.
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7/26/2012 12:08:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Perhaps I am just not versed enough in physics, but I don't see how the background radiation provides absoluteness to our position. As I understand it the universe is sort of like an expanding sphere, with only the shell of the sphere being occupied, therefore there is no meaningful center to anything.
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7/26/2012 12:22:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 2:04:54 PM, socratus wrote:
Epochs and the reference frames.
1
Ptolemee considered, that reference frame which connected
with the Earth is absolute.
2.
Copernicus proved that reference frame which connected
with the Sun is absolute.
3.
Then it was consider that reference frame which connected
with far stars is absolute.
4.
Now it is consider, that reference frame which connected with
relict isotropic radiation T = 2,7K is absolute.
5.
But T = 2,7K is not a constant factor.
This relict isotropic radiation continues to extend and
decrease and with time will reach T=0K.
=======..
Today.
Today physicists refuse to take vacuum as a fundament of Universe.
Book : ‘Dreams of a final theory'
by Steven Weinberg. Page 138.
‘ It is true . . . there is such a thing as absolute zero; we cannot
reach temperatures below absolute zero not because we are not
sufficiently clever but because temperatures below absolute zero
simple have no meaning.'
/ Steven Weinberg. The Nobel Prize in Physics 1979 /
My opinion.
It is true we cannot reach the zero temperature T=0K.
But just because we cannot reach this Vacuum's
parameter, does it mean that it cannot exist ?
#
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a sound?
If unseen virtual antiparticles can appear from vacuum (!)
( Vacuum's fluctuations / transformation / polarization )
and we can observe them as a real particles doesn't it mean
that vacuum itself is an Absolute Reference Frame which
has its own physical parameter – Absolute Zero: T=0K.
#
Tomorrow.
When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum,
that endless infinite void.
http://discovermagazine.com...
=.
Best wishes.

Well, here's the thing. What do you believe is the relevance of a vacuum?

It's simply void. No decay, because there's nothing to decay. So, there's no energy expressed, and thus, no heat.

That's not groundbreaking. It's far more relevant, far more suggestive, that there is no such thing as a vacuum in the meaningful sense (as, of course, there exists a vacuum everywhere, between each atom), indicating that certain things can be assumed in pondering about the universe. Ubiquity makes things much, much easier.
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7/26/2012 7:23:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 12:03:11 AM, Lasagna wrote:
At 7/25/2012 2:17:48 PM, drafterman wrote:
You have a very unfortunately looking avatar. Looks like you've been convicted of a number of unsavory offenses.

Yes please haze the newcomers so that nobody on this planet takes this site any more seriously than a 4chan forum.

I'll haze people who are obviously not interested in discussion and are merely using this site as a forum to spam their crazy-ass views.

Then again, this isn't even hazing. He's not engaging anyone in discussion, just starting threads like this. So he's not really being affected by my posts, so what's the harm in me amusing myself?