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2/1/2013 10:34:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
About Infinity and Physical Reality.
How could mere man comprehend infinity?
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Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is Infinity the cause of the crisis in Physics?
Because we don"t know what infinity is.
The concept of infinite / eternal means nothing to scientists.
Infinity is no "more ", " less", "equally" or "similar".
The Infinity is something that could not be compared to anything.
Considering so, scientists came to conclusion that the
infinity cannot be considered in real processes and they
proclaimed unwritten law:
" If we want that the theory would be correct,
the infinity should be eliminated" . . . . by the
' method of renormalization ' . . . about which Feynman wrote
' using this method we can these infinities sweep under a carpet '
and then Feynman asked:
" Who can confirm that the infinity conforms with reality of nature?"
/ Book: The Character of Physical Law. Lecture 7. /
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I will try to explain "infinity" as brief and simple as is possible.
=.
There are billions and billions Galaxies in the
Universe, each of which has hundreds of billions of stars.
All these billions and billions Galaxies are divided by space,
which we call " Vacuum".
This Vacuum is an infinite and eternal continuum.
Why Vacuum is infinite ?
Because the sum of masses of all Galaxies (the cosmological
constant / the critical density ) is as small that it cannot
" close" the whole Universe into sphere and therefore Universe
as whole must be "open", endless, infinite.
Only in some small local parts of this infinite Vacuum continuum
some masses can gather together in an enough quantity to create
stars, planets . . .etc.
Vacuum continuum is not a simple space
Physicists say that in vacuum "virtual particles" exist and they
can appear as real particles. Nobody knows what they are.
Astrophysicists say that "dark mass- matter" in vacuum is hidden.
This "dark mass- matter" is not ordinary matter but "non normal".
They say that more than 90% of the matter in the Universe
is "non normal dark mass " matter".
So, from " virtual particles " and "non normal dark matter " were
created all billion and billion Galaxies, including our planet Earth
and everything on it, also including you, who reads this email.
And because we don"t know what " virtual particles " and "dark matter" are,
therefore we don"t have answer to the question: who am I ?
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
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The secret of God and Existence is hidden
in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
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2/2/2013 1:15:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 10:34:48 AM, socratus wrote:

Sadovnik: About Infinity and Physical Reality.
How could mere man comprehend infinity?

Sadovnik: Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics.

Sadovnik: Why is Infinity the cause of the crisis in Physics?

The Fool: I can't even think about the concept infinity, Because I always seem to stop thinking about it at one point or another.

Sadovnik: Because we don't know what infinity is. The concept of infinite / eternal means nothing to scientists.

The Fool: I am sure most are synonymous on the 1=1 Eternity

Sadovnik: Infinity is no "more ", " less", "equally" or "similar".

The Fool: As a fool, I think I only speak for myself, when I ask if you can Say what it is, appose to what it is Not.

Sadovnik: The Infinity is something that could not be compared to anything.

The Fool: Okay What IS IT.

Sadovnik: Considering so, scientists came to conclusion that the
infinity cannot be considered in real processes and they proclaimed unwritten law:

The Fool: Considering WHAT? What it is Not? Proclaimed unwritten law? WTF does that mean.

Sadovnik: " If we want that the theory would be correct, the infinity should be eliminated" . . .

The Fool: What IS IT? WHAT IS THE INFINITY. What IS IT!!!!

Sadovnik . by the ' method of renormalization ' . . . about which Feynman wrote
' using this method we can these infinities sweep under a carpet '
and then Feynman asked:

The Fool: WHAT IS IT!!! WHAT are infinites. IS IS IS !! So far you have told us its notness.

Sadovnik: " Who can confirm that the infinity conforms with reality of nature?"

The Fool: I Think you Need to know WHAT IT IS first, to even get started talking about it.

Sadovnik: / Book: The Character of Physical Law. Lecture 7. /
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The Fool: Useless, Just give the argument itself.

Sadovnik: I will try to explain "infinity" as brief and simple as is possible.
=.

The Fool: Finally!

Sadovnik: There are billions and billions Galaxies in the
Universe, each of which has hundreds of billions of stars.

The Fool: Okay So there is LOTS of Things we call stars and galaxies.

Sadovnik: All these billions and billions Galaxies are divided by space, which we call " Vacuum".

The Fool: So they are Not in Space, then? Is that what you mean? Because if they are in space how could the Space Divide them and contain them at the same time.


Sadovnik: This Vacuum is an infinite and eternal continuum.

The Fool: What IS The infinite? So the vaccum and two properties. ??The Infinite?? And Eternal Conintuum.

Why Vacuum is infinite ?

The Fool: What is the infinite Would be more helpful first.

Sadovnik: Because the sum of masses of all Galaxies (the cosmological
constant / the critical density ) is as small that it cannot
" close" the whole Universe into sphere and therefore Universe
as whole must be "open", endless, infinite.

The Fool: ?Constant? Isn't that an eternal notion.

Sadovnik: Only in some small local parts of this infinite Vacuum continuum
some masses can gather together in an enough quantity to create
stars, planets . . .etc.

The Fool: I can't help but feel you are probably missing some critical details here.
How here there small or large spaces in the INFINITE? You said what it IS. But you said it was specifically not Comparable.

Sadovnik: Vacuum continuum is not a simple space

The Fool: What is a Simple space in a continuum?

Sadovnik: Physicists say that in vacuum "virtual particles" exist and they
can appear as real particles.

The Fool: Um, the virtual are the fake particles.

Sadovnik: Nobody knows what they are.

The fool: I thought you said they are virtual Particles. ??

Sadovnik: Astrophysicists say that "dark mass- matter" in vacuum is hidden.

The Fool: Why do they say it?

Sadovnik: This "dark mass- matter" is not ordinary matter but "non normal".

The Fool: Non Normal. LOL!! ! What IS IT. Part-time Matter.?

Sadovnik: They say that more than 90% of the matter in the Universe
is "non normal dark mass " matter".

The Fool: I think 90% is enough to call it normal. No??

Sadovnik: So, from " virtual particles " and "non normal dark matter " were
created all billion and billion Galaxies, including our planet Earth
and everything on it, also including you, who reads this email.

The Fool: I think you skipped an important step. I am pretty sure you said. That Astrophysicists say things. And you jumped from that to concluding that "what we do not know about" and the most common, dark matter. Non normal.

The Fool: To the Concept of Creation, What is the Criteria for creation that you are recognizing so we can know what you mean? I don"t understand what creation means outside of a Human Understanding. What is this Other understanding you speak of? You are one of us are you".

Sadovnik: And because we don"t know what " virtual particles " and "dark matter" are,

The Fool: First of all Nothing follows from I don't know. I don't know it just that. Ignorance. What you truly don't know you don't know that you don't know it because it's not knowledge.

(you may have to read that again slowly, but it was necessary to my counter argument)

AKA How do you know its virtual Particles, and dark matter, if you don't know anything about it.

Sadovnik : Therefore we don't have answer to the question: who am I ?

The Fool: You can't know what you even mean By I or how it even fits in a sentence. Because it would mean This " " If you didn't know anything about it.

HA! Who am I is a socially dependent question. Its only makes sense in Reflection to OTHERS!

What am I is a different question all together?

I don"t need to know How, or why, of what I consist of To know that I AM.
when we I see red, we just see red. I am not talking about the WORD "RED" but the immediate conscious sensation of whatever sensation someone is using Red Refer to. If they exist. I always know what I am using The term Red to refer to, In fact I COULD NEVER BE WRONG about a feeling, I may Mislabel it or I may have no language or even the ability of understanding language at all. But I COULD NEVER MIS-FEEL something. Because there would be no feeling to miss-feel.
It's not an option. It's not an Agreement. It doesn't matter if I accept or I believe. I don't need to know how it got there, I don't need to know what it is made up of, to know I am conscious of it.

Being humans is a double edge blade, on the one hand we can sometime be more rational, But we can Fvck up worse than any other animal. Because They Don't have language for the possibility to CONTRADICT themselves or posit such Stupid Ideological entities, let alone the Possibility for Genocides .

In that way we are dumber then insects.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL