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2/12/2013 1:28:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Does somebody know what Vacuum is ?
No, we don"t know what Vacuum is.
1
Paul Dirac wrote:
" The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can"t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex? "
2.
The most fundamental question facing 21st century physics will be:
What is the vacuum? As quantum mechanics teaches us, with
its zero point energy this vacuum is not empty and the word
vacuum is a gross misnomer!
/ Prof. Friedwardt Winterberg /
3.
Wikipedia :
" Unfortunately neither the concept of space nor of time is well defined,
resulting in a dilemma. If we don't know the character of time nor of space,
how can we characterize either? "
http://en.wikipedia.org...
4.
"Now we know that the vacuum can have all sorts of wonderful effects
over an enormous range of scales, from the microscopic to the cosmic,"
said Peter Milonni
from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.
5.
" All kinds of electromagnetic waves ( including light"s)
spread in vacuum . . . . thanks to the vacuum, to the specific
ability of empty space these electromagnetic waves can exist."
/ Book : To what physics was come, page 32. R. K. Utiyama. /
==.
So, we know that the vacuum is very important conception in physics
and nature, but . . . but . . . we don"t know what vacuum is, and therefore
is possible to have many speculations including metaphysical too.
For example: Danah Zohar wrote:

"It might even give us some ground to speculate that
the vacuum itself (and hence the universe) is "conscious".
/ Book "The quantum self " page 208. /
#
"If we were looking for something that we could conceive
of as God within the universe of the new physics, this ground
state, coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start."
/ Book "The quantum self " page 208, by Danah Zohar. /
http://en.wikipedia.org...

The question is:
How is it possible to prove Zohar"s metaphysical confirmation
with physical laws and formulas?
==.
Socratus
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in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
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2/12/2013 1:28:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
How to understand Vacuum: T=0K ?
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Physics (classical + quantum) lives under shadow of Vacuum.
I want throw light on this Vacuum.
Three theories explain the Vacuum T=0K :
a) theory of ideal gas because its temperature is T=0K,

b) QED theory because this theory explain interaction
photon / electron not only with matter but with vacuum too,

c) Euler"s equation: e^ i(pi) = - 1, because only in the
negative vacuum T=0K can exist " virtual imaginaries particles"
which Euler described by his formula: e^ i(pi) + 1= 0.

d) The global conservation of energy is infinite .
And this infinite energy belong to the vacuum because that
more than 90% of mass ( dark mass/energy ) is hidden in the vacuum
How to understand vacuum's infinity ?
Vacuum's infinity has only one physical parameter: T=0K.
This physical parameter is the key to understand the essence of Existence.
=.
Without Vacuum T=0K there isn"t Physics,
there isn"t Philosophy of Physics.
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Best wishes.
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in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
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2/12/2013 3:47:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/12/2013 1:28:05 AM, socratus wrote:
Does somebody know what Vacuum is ?
No, we don"t know what Vacuum is.
1
Paul Dirac wrote:
" The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can"t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex? "
2.
The most fundamental question facing 21st century physics will be:
What is the vacuum? As quantum mechanics teaches us, with
its zero point energy this vacuum is not empty and the word
vacuum is a gross misnomer!
/ Prof. Friedwardt Winterberg /
3.
Wikipedia :
" Unfortunately neither the concept of space nor of time is well defined,
resulting in a dilemma. If we don't know the character of time nor of space,
how can we characterize either? "
http://en.wikipedia.org...
4.
"Now we know that the vacuum can have all sorts of wonderful effects
over an enormous range of scales, from the microscopic to the cosmic,"
said Peter Milonni
from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.
5.
" All kinds of electromagnetic waves ( including light"s)
spread in vacuum . . . . thanks to the vacuum, to the specific
ability of empty space these electromagnetic waves can exist."
/ Book : To what physics was come, page 32. R. K. Utiyama. /
==.
So, we know that the vacuum is very important conception in physics
and nature, but . . . but . . . we don"t know what vacuum is, and therefore
is possible to have many speculations including metaphysical too.
For example: Danah Zohar wrote:

"It might even give us some ground to speculate that
the vacuum itself (and hence the universe) is "conscious".
/ Book "The quantum self " page 208. /
#
"If we were looking for something that we could conceive
of as God within the universe of the new physics, this ground
state, coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start."
/ Book "The quantum self " page 208, by Danah Zohar. /
http://en.wikipedia.org...

The question is:
How is it possible to prove Zohar"s metaphysical confirmation
with physical laws and formulas?
==.
Socratus
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2/12/2013 4:48:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Lawrence Krauss says a Vacuum is an area of space where fluctuations occur.
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2/12/2013 5:25:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
A vacuum is a relative state.

Since nothing can have physical negative value, you must simply assume that a vacuum is "less positive" than the object in reference.

For example, when you suck on a straw, you create a vaccum that causes an "equal mass displacement" effect. You're removing the air and the path of least resistance for equalizing the internal pressure of the straw is the displacement of soda from the cup.
The vaccum inside the straw is not a negative pressure, it is simply...less positive than the outside pressure.

A true vaccum is pure theory, because nobody has seen an absolute absence of everything.

Therefore, a vacuum is a relative negative compared to a know positive.
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(I saw, I conquered, I came.)
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2/12/2013 8:50:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I can try to explain to you what is the definition of vacuum in a Quantum Field Theoretical sense, which is probably the current most consensual conception of vacuum.

In Quantum Field Theory, all physical content of the Universe is described through fields. Fields are just like a kind of function that, to each point in space and time, associates a certain value of a mathematical object like a scalar (a simple number), a vector, or other more complicated object. For example, if you measure local temperature in many points over an extended region, and if you map the spacial positions of those measurements to the corresponding measured values of temperature, you have determined a temperature field over a region in space.

Now, quantum fields are very sui generis. You might think of a quantum field as associating to each point in space and time an oscillator. An oscillator is something that behaves like, for example, a string in a violin, which vibrates at a certain frequency when excited by the bow, producing a recognizable sound. These oscillators cannot vibrate anyway they like: there is a discrete set of modes of vibration which can be sustained, and to each mode is associated a particular energy. Also, it is important to note that there is a lower boundary to these vibration energies, but no upper boundary. In a sense, there is a fundamental mode of vibration, below which nothing can be sustained.

Ok, so we have a field of oscillators, each able to vibrate in a certain mode from a predetermined set of modes. Particles, in this sense, arise as these vibrations along the field; they are the physical manifestation of a certain pattern of excitation of the oscillator field. So where does vacuum come in? Well, if the physical content of the universe is equated with the excitations in the field, then the vacuum is identified with the fundamental mode of vibration. So, when we speak of vacuum, we are usually referring to this lower bound in the vibration modes of the oscillators in the field.

Now, I am aware that this does not in itself rigorously determine the essential nature or meaning of the physical vacuum, but it might shed some light into your understanding of it. What I presented here was a fairly simplified definition in the context of Quantum Field Theory. I hope that I gave you an understandable picture of this concept of vacuum. I know it is very abstract, but that's really unavoidable. The progress of knowledge has always seen a tendency towards higher and higher levels of abstraction, often making it difficult to explain concepts to people without a certain background. (I'm assuming you do not have any strong background in Physics or Mathematics just for simplicity; if this isn't true, you might ask me for a more detailed and rigorous explanation of the concept).
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2/12/2013 9:59:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
After proving Euler's identity during a lecture, Benjamin Peirce,
a noted American 19th-century philosopher, mathematician,
and professor at Harvard University, stated that
"it is absolutely paradoxical; we cannot understand it,
and we don't know what it means, but we have proved it,
and therefore we know it must be the truth."
#
Stanford University mathematics professor Keith Devlin said,
"Like a Shakespearean sonnet that captures the very essence
of love, or a painting that brings out the beauty of the human
form that is far more than just skin deep, Euler's Equation reaches
down into the very depths of existence."

http://en.wikipedia.org...'s_identity
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"it is absolutely paradoxical; we cannot understand it,
and we don't know what it means, . . . . ."
. . . but . . .
" Euler's Equation reaches down into the very depths of existence."
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2/12/2013 10:38:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/12/2013 1:28:05 AM, socratus wrote:
Does somebody know what Vacuum is ?
No, we don"t know what Vacuum is.
1
Paul Dirac wrote:
" The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can"t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex? "
2.
The most fundamental question facing 21st century physics will be:
What is the vacuum? As quantum mechanics teaches us, with
its zero point energy this vacuum is not empty and the word
vacuum is a gross misnomer!
/ Prof. Friedwardt Winterberg /
3.
Wikipedia :
" Unfortunately neither the concept of space nor of time is well defined,
resulting in a dilemma. If we don't know the character of time nor of space,
how can we characterize either? "
http://en.wikipedia.org...
4.
"Now we know that the vacuum can have all sorts of wonderful effects
over an enormous range of scales, from the microscopic to the cosmic,"
said Peter Milonni
from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.
5.
" All kinds of electromagnetic waves ( including light"s)
spread in vacuum . . . . thanks to the vacuum, to the specific
ability of empty space these electromagnetic waves can exist."
/ Book : To what physics was come, page 32. R. K. Utiyama. /
==.
So, we know that the vacuum is very important conception in physics
and nature, but . . . but . . . we don"t know what vacuum is, and therefore
is possible to have many speculations including metaphysical too.
For example: Danah Zohar wrote:

"It might even give us some ground to speculate that
the vacuum itself (and hence the universe) is "conscious".
/ Book "The quantum self " page 208. /
#
"If we were looking for something that we could conceive
of as God within the universe of the new physics, this ground
state, coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start."
/ Book "The quantum self " page 208, by Danah Zohar. /
http://en.wikipedia.org...

The question is:
How is it possible to prove Zohar"s metaphysical confirmation
with physical laws and formulas?
==.
Socratus
===.
I don't know if anyone ever told you this, but your posts are kinda hard to read. And they usually look like you grabbed a bunch of quotes that are about the same thing then threw them together.
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2/14/2013 4:13:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My mom would tell me to get the vacuum. I better know. :D

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2/20/2013 12:47:11 AM
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. . . . . . the energy - electric Universe.
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Vacuum energy is some kind of energy in the infinite space
between billion and billion galaxies.
In this infinite space virtual potential energy particles exist
with energy: E=Mc^2.
Using inner impulse h*=h/2pi they appear from vacuum
as phenomena with energy: E=h*f
The effects of vacuum energy can be experimentally observed
in various phenomena such as spontaneous emission
the Casimir effect and the Lamb shift.
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3/10/2013 7:36:41 AM
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Occam's Razor, Vacuum and the Scheme of the primary conditions of existence.
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Vacuum is a Negative Euclidean space (-2D) so called Pseudo- Euclidean space.
It is the simplest reference frame " like the Euclidean space ( 2D).
Now I will put a virtual - ideal particle in this -2D.
The -2D is a very thin and flat homogeneous space,
so my particle also must be thin and flat and symmetrical.
Can it be a very thin and tiny limited line- string --particle?
No. In my opinion even this very thin and tiny line
under good microscope will be looked as a rectangle.
Can it be a very thin and tiny limited loop?
No. The geometrical form of a loop is too complex,
needs supplementary forces to create it.
Can it be a very thin and tiny limited circle?
Yes.
From all geometrical forms the circle is the most symmetrical.
The surface of a circle takes up the minimal area it can and
I will write it by formula: C/D= pi= 3.14. (!)
But I can put many particles there, for example,
Avogadro"s number of particles: N(a). (!)
#
What is my next step?
If I were a mathematician I would say nothing.
But if I were a physicist I would say that 2D must have
some physical parameters like: volume (V), temperature (T)
and density (P). Yes, it seems the idea is right.
Then, volume (V) is zero,
temperature (T) is zero
but . . but density (P) cannot be zero if 2D is a real space
then its density can approximately be zero.
#
What can I do with these three parameters?
I have only one possibility, to write the simplest formula:
VP/T=R ( Clausius Clapeyron formula ! )
What is R? R is some kind of physical state of my 2D.
And if I divide the whole space R by Avogadro"s
numbers of particles then I have a formula R/ N(a) = k,
then k ( as a Boltzmann constant) is some kind of
physical state of one single virtual- ideal particle. (!)
#
But all creators of Quantum theory said that this space,
as a whole, must have some kind of background energy (E).
And its value must be enormous.
But the background mass of every Avogadro"s particles
in 2D has approximately zero mass, it is approximately
massless (M).
Fact.
The detected material mass of the matter in the Universe is so small
(the average density of all substance in the Universe is approximately
p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that physicists say: " More than 90% of the matter
in the Universe is unseen."
And nobody knows what this unseen "dark matter" is.
So, if I divide enormous energy (E) by approximately dark
massless (M) then the potential energy/ mass of every single
virtual- ideal particle ( according to Einstein and Dirac) is
E/M=c^2 (potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 ! )
( I don"t know why physicists call E/M= c^2 "rest mass"
and never say potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 .)

In potential state my particle doesn"t move,
so its impulse is h = 0.
#
My conclusion.
I have virtual- ideal- massless particle which has
geometrical and physical parameters:
C/D= pi= 3.14 . . . . , R/ N(a) = k, E/M=c^2, h=0.
All my virtual- ideal- massless particles are possible to call
" bosons" or "antiparticles" . These bosons are approximately
massless but have huge potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 .
But I have no fermions, no electric charge, no tachyons,
no time, no mass, no movement at this picture.
#
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Now, thinking logically, I must explain all the effects of
motions. And. . . and I cannot say it better than Newton:
"For the basic problem of philosophy seems to be to discover
the forces of nature from the phenomena of motions
and then to demonstrate the other phenomena from these forces."
#
How can one single virtual- ideal particle start its movement?
At first, it will be right to think about some simple kind of
movement, for example: my particle will move in straight line
along 2D surface from some point A to the point B.
What is possible to say now?
According to the Michelson-Morley experiment my particle
must move with constant speed: c=1 and its speed is independent.
Its speed doesn"t depend on any other object or subject, it means
the reason of its speed is hidden in itself, it is its inner impulse.
This impulse doesn"t come from any formulas or equations.
And when Planck introduced this inner impulse(h) to physicists,
he took it from heaven, from ceiling. Sorry. Sorry.
I must write: Planck introduced this inner impulse (h) intuitively.
I must write: Planck introduced his unit (h) phenomenologically.
At any way, having Planck"s inner impulse (unit h=1) my
particle flies with speed c=1. We call it photon now.
Photon"s movement from some point A to the point B
doesn"t change the flat and homogeneous 2D surface.
Of course, my photon must be careful, because in some local
place some sun"s gravitation can catch and change its trajectory
I hope it will be lucky to escape from the sun"s gravity love.
#
My photon can have other possibility to move. This second
possibility was discover by Goudsmit and Uhlenbeck
in 1925. They said the elementary particle can rotate
around its diameter using its own angular inner impulse:
h * = h /2pi. So, when photon rotates around its diameter
it looks like a string ( open string) and this string vibrates.
My god, that is a strange technical terminology the physicists
use: " vibrate, vibration".
If I were a physicist I would say no " vibrate, vibration" but
" frequency", "the particle rotates with high frequency".
The frequency is a key to every particle, by frequency we know
the radiation spectrum of various kinds of waves.
Now I can say: then my photon starts to curl its rotation
goes with enormous frequency, faster than constant speed
of photon. Now its speed is c>1. We call it "tachyon".
The tachyon"s spinning creates electric charge and
electrical waves and now we call it "electron" or "fermions".
So, in my opinion, virtual- ideal particle, photon, tachyon
and electron are only different names of one and the same
particle " quantum of light.
#
My particle is a circle. When this circle started to curl around
itself its form changed. Now it has volume and looks like a sphere.
What is the law between particle"s volume and energy?
I think: big volume " low energy, small volume " high energy.
The more speed / impulse ----> the more particle (as a volume)
compress ----> the more energy .
And when the speed decrease " - the energy decrease too "
but the volume of particle will increase.
My particle behaves like " a springy circle" (!)
This springy circle can curl into small sphere which must
have volume and therefore can be describe as a
"stringlike particle with vibrations" only approximately .
Springy particle - it means the particle is able to spring back
into its former position. In my opinion this is the meaning of
" The Law of mass/energy conservation and transformation"
#
Once more.
Quantum of light has potential energy (- E=Mc^2 ).
When it starts to curl around its diameter the potential energy
(- E=Mc^2 ) is hidden and we can observe its electronic
energy ( E=h*f).
But there is situation when this hidden potential energy goes
out and we can see its great active power ( + E=Mc^2 )
looking the destroyed cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
In my opinion the particle"s transformation from one state into
the other was legalized as " The Law of mass/energy
conservation and transformation".
#
Different conditions of particles are also reason of new
situation in 2D. Now the surface of 2D is changed.
On the one hand we have the spinning electron ( E=h*f)
On the other hand there are masses of Avogadro"s particles.
( kT logW )
The spinning electron changes the temperature of the
surface in this local area.
Now this local area has Debye temperature: Q(d)= h*f(max) / k.
In this space a grain of quantum gravity theory is hidden.
The scheme of quantum gravity is:
1. h*f = kT logW.
2. h*f > kT logW.
3. h*f < kT.

At first the temp
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3/10/2013 7:38:05 AM
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The scheme of quantum gravity is:
1. h*f = kT logW.
2. h*f > kT logW.
3. h*f < kT.

At first the temperature is going from T=0K to 2.18 K (&#8722;271 "C)
( at first kT logW is Helium II ).
Then the temperature is going from T=2.18 K to T= 4.2 K,
( kT logW is Helium I ).
And then the protons are created. . . . etc.

E=h*f - - -> He II - - -> He I -- -> . . . . - - > H . . . " - >
Plasma reaction... --> Thermonuclear reactions ...-->......etc.
( P. Kapitza , L. Landau , E.L. Andronikashvili theories).
(Superconductivity, superfluidity.)
#
Now on the one hand we have quantum of light/ electron.
On the other hand we have proton.
Their interaction creates atom.
This interaction is evolving process.
#
The conception of Time appears as a period of these two actions.
( star formation and atom creation}.
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3/10/2013 10:59:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/10/2013 7:39:29 AM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
There's no way you could type your last two posts so fast, are you c/ping this from somewhere?
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On this site the post is limited ( 8,000 Characters )
therefore I needed to end it with second email.
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3/10/2013 5:26:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/10/2013 7:39:29 AM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
There's no way you could type your last two posts so fast, are you c/ping this from somewhere?

It looks like he does these posts all over the internet on multiple boards...must be a cut and paste program.
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