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How to combat Climate skeptic denial

cbrhawk1
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3/2/2013 1:53:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
After the climategate emails broght attention to the public of some deceptive methods used by scientists, the falure to renew Kyoto, and the multiple Barbara Boxer climate bills passed though congress that have flopped, climate skeptic denial is still widespread despite us winning the debate for many years.

Of course, all of us know that the deniers receive more funding than the skeptics, so I'd like to give a few tips on how t argue with these people. Even though most skeptics have minds of thir own, perhaps some of these are worthy of using:

#1 -- Every time a skeptic tells you that 99.8% of peer reviewed literature does not refute global warming, quickly point out that this research faied to make it into peer review. This is a blog post with questionable methodoloy that merely reads abstracts, and, in probably most cases, just paper titles to "judge" (subjective license) whether or not it rejects the "Theory of global warm" (which he does not define in exact terms to test against it).

#2 -- Likewise, any time someone uses 97% of climatologists, point out the following (whichever is more important to you)
--This is based on an INTERNET POLL on a third party website. Since Doran and Zimmerman did not record the results on their own server, there's no guarantee of the security of these results
--The poll had a 30% participation rate. This makes something incredibly vulnerable to participation bias.
--This specific number only takes the words of 79 scientists into account.
--The questions that were asked were questions that even us skeptis would be forced to sa "yes" to (i.e. "Has the Earth warmed?" "Have humans contributed to changes in the climate?" These do not represent the contentions of many skeptics, so the entire poll does not refutue any arguments.

#3 -- Any time someone pulls your emotional strings about the impacts of climate change, point them to our 16.5 trillion dollar debt and 1.2 trillion dollar deficit, two tngs that take food out of the mouths of impoverished children. People can say what they will about climactic impacts, but they are all theories. What will happen when you take money away from those in poverty is NOT a theory. It is FACT. It's fact in the US, as well as the developing world.

#4 -- Any time someone talks about you wanting a dirty planet, remind them that CO2 is not pollution. Plants breathe it in, humans breathe it out as part of a cycle. CO2 becomes a toxin only at 30Kppm to animals. Whatever your position on environmental issues, this debate has nothing to do with a clean planet. We're talking about temperature, not pollution. There has never been a mass exinction in the history of planet Earth due to large amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere. Weknow of one mass extinction that MIGHT (key word) have been caused by extremey intense warming of 20C over the average of the time.

#5 -- Any time someone blurts out the buzz words "ocean acidification." Send them to dictionary.om to read the definition of "acidification" (acidify). The pH of the oceans is around 8.3. Since acids have a pH below 7 and the lowering of pH has not been proposed near that amount, remind them of what they are really saying.

#6 -- If a denier tells you that you're a mouth breathing anti-science conservative for not believing in global warming, point them to a Nature Climate Change study on the scientific knowledge of people with various opinions of the climate. Skeptics were shown to be slightly more knowledgeable about scientific issues than climate skeptic deniers.

#7 -- When someone says it was "the hottest year on record" in 2012, they are probably talking about a specific country. None the major temperature records show 2012 as spectacular for the 21st centurey. In fact, it was about average. It's called "GLOBAL" not "AMERICA" warming.

#8 -- Anyone who uses the old tire polar debate can look at the ice core record, which shows interglacials several degrees hotter than this o in the past few hundred thousand years. Did those polar bears run out of ice? No sir. Also, if you're keen on it, look up some old newspaper records from the 1700s and 1800s talking abut alarming lack of ice in northern latitudes, including a quote from 1929 that warns of rapidly shrinking arctic ice caps.

#9 -- The Mauna Loa CO2 record shows no acceleration of CO2 levels in the atmosphere despite more developing countries in on industrial activity. Furthermore, in the past 30 years, we've seen temperature rise decelerate even as CO2 rise has not changed much. This implies that the causal relationship between temperature and CO2 is not as strong as the initial rise. In fact, SkepticalScience reported a study that shows that greenhouse warming only adds 0.1C/decade (1C/Century). For SS to report such a finding is amazing.

#10 -- Anyone who talks about feedbacks needs to answer for one flaw: If feedbacks were positive, what prevented us from becoming a Venus long ago? What in nature pus on the breaks of a largely strong positive feedback if one is proposed? For a positive feedback to arise from a raise in temperature means that the climate could never even naturally have balance, as temperature would run away. A balance means that as temperature goes up, feedbacks become increasingly negative. When temperatures decrease, they become positive. Ask anyone in denial of skeptic logic to explain what puts the eventual brakes on th climate. You won't receive an answer.
"All science is 'wrong.'" ~ drafterman
Ore_Ele
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3/3/2013 2:33:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
links would be amazing. Science, more than any other topic, deserves them.
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cbrhawk1
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3/4/2013 1:55:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/3/2013 2:33:40 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
links would be amazing. Science, more than any other topic, deserves them.

I gave multiple citations of people and institutions where you can find the information you're looking for. Google is your friend. I think that I gave enough to where you can ask for additional information on where to get uncommon infrmation that I didn't point out..
"All science is 'wrong.'" ~ drafterman