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# Base 12 a better system than Base 10?

 Posts: 3,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:13:59 PMPosted: 5 years agoDo you think that Base 12 is a better mathematical system than Base 10?As in every point up of down is a power of 12 instead of 10?bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign! http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... - Running for president. http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president. May the best man win!
 Posts: 9,578 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:19:11 PMPosted: 5 years agoThe thing about numerical systems is that they're all better for different calculations. Duodecimal would be better for 3s, 4s, and while decimal is better for 5s. What system you use would largely be determined by existing institutions and traditions (base twelve wouldn't play nice with the metric system, for example.)"Partout ou vous verrez un autel, la se trouve la civilisation." - Joseph de Maistre - "Woe that I live in bitter days, As God is setting like a sun And in his place, as lord and slave, Man raises forth his heinous throne." - Translation of 'Rhyfel', by Hedd Wyn - Virtutem videant intabescantque relicta
 Posts: 1,023 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:22:49 PMPosted: 5 years agoBase 12 might be nice with miles and feet and yards (and time), however given the widespread use of the metric system I don't think it would be a useful replacement.
 Posts: 3,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:26:28 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:19:11 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:The thing about numerical systems is that they're all better for different calculations. Duodecimal would be better for 3s, 4s, and while decimal is better for 5s. What system you use would largely be determined by existing institutions and traditions (base twelve wouldn't play nice with the metric system, for example.)2's, 3's, 4's and 6's vs 2's and 5's. Plus I believe we're more likely to divide by 3 or 4 than we are by 5 (even under the influence of how easy it's made under the decimal system).Obviously the metric system doesn't work with it, but we just need to make them powers of 12 instead of 10.Unfortunately, it seems some SI measurements are locked into Base 10. I think it's foolish to lock our standard units into any Bases because one of it's goals was to get rid of extra constants, so it shouldn't be introducing any at all.bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign! http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... - Running for president. http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president. May the best man win!
 Posts: 3,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:28:29 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:22:49 PM, Enji wrote:Base 12 might be nice with miles and feet and yards (and time), however given the widespread use of the metric system I don't think it would be a useful replacement.In the past.Given the widespread of the Imperial system, the Metric system wouldn't be useful. Even considering it would make our lives easier.bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign! http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... - Running for president. http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president. May the best man win!
 Posts: 9,578 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:29:21 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:26:28 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:19:11 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:The thing about numerical systems is that they're all better for different calculations. Duodecimal would be better for 3s, 4s, and while decimal is better for 5s. What system you use would largely be determined by existing institutions and traditions (base twelve wouldn't play nice with the metric system, for example.)2's, 3's, 4's and 6's vs 2's and 5's. Plus I believe we're more likely to divide by 3 or 4 than we are by 5 (even under the influence of how easy it's made under the decimal system).Obviously the metric system doesn't work with it, but we just need to make them powers of 12 instead of 10.Good luck with that xDHave you seen the moronic system people in America still insist on using? It's hard enough to sell the metric system as is, trying to do it in base 12 would be impossible.Unfortunately, it seems some SI measurements are locked into Base 10. I think it's foolish to lock our standard units into any Bases because one of it's goals was to get rid of extra constants, so it shouldn't be introducing any at all."Partout ou vous verrez un autel, la se trouve la civilisation." - Joseph de Maistre - "Woe that I live in bitter days, As God is setting like a sun And in his place, as lord and slave, Man raises forth his heinous throne." - Translation of 'Rhyfel', by Hedd Wyn - Virtutem videant intabescantque relicta
 Posts: 3,148 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:34:38 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:13:59 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:Do you think that Base 12 is a better mathematical system than Base 10?As in every point up of down is a power of 12 instead of 10?I like to count on my fingers, and I only have 10 of them, so base 10 works best for me. Now, if I happened to be the six-fingered man, and if I had six fingers on BOTH hands, then base 12 might work better."When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, the foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest." ~Proverbs 29:9 "Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
 Posts: 2,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:36:05 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:34:38 PM, philochristos wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:13:59 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:Do you think that Base 12 is a better mathematical system than Base 10?As in every point up of down is a power of 12 instead of 10?I like to count on my fingers, and I only have 10 of them, so base 10 works best for me. Now, if I happened to be the six-fingered man, and if I had six fingers on BOTH hands, then base 12 might work better.Count your finger joints on one hand."Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
 Posts: 3,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:40:37 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:29:21 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:26:28 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:19:11 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:The thing about numerical systems is that they're all better for different calculations. Duodecimal would be better for 3s, 4s, and while decimal is better for 5s. What system you use would largely be determined by existing institutions and traditions (base twelve wouldn't play nice with the metric system, for example.)2's, 3's, 4's and 6's vs 2's and 5's. Plus I believe we're more likely to divide by 3 or 4 than we are by 5 (even under the influence of how easy it's made under the decimal system).Obviously the metric system doesn't work with it, but we just need to make them powers of 12 instead of 10.Good luck with that xDHave you seen the moronic system people in America still insist on using? It's hard enough to sell the metric system as is, trying to do it in base 12 would be impossible.Unfortunately, it seems some SI measurements are locked into Base 10. I think it's foolish to lock our standard units into any Bases because one of it's goals was to get rid of extra constants, so it shouldn't be introducing any at all.I think it starts with education and parallel integration. I know people don't like change, and sometimes that may be a good instinct, sometimes. But in the age we're in, I think it's important to make everything as efficient and convenient as we can. Being brought up on Metric, I like it, and think it's better than Imperial.I know it will be a hard sell though, if it would ever happen at all.bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign! http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... - Running for president. http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president. May the best man win!
 Posts: 3,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:45:37 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:36:05 PM, muzebreak wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:34:38 PM, philochristos wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:13:59 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:Do you think that Base 12 is a better mathematical system than Base 10?As in every point up of down is a power of 12 instead of 10?I like to count on my fingers, and I only have 10 of them, so base 10 works best for me. Now, if I happened to be the six-fingered man, and if I had six fingers on BOTH hands, then base 12 might work better.Count your finger joints on one hand.Yes like that. I elaborated on his/her answer above.bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign! http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... - Running for president. http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president. May the best man win!
 Posts: 1,023 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:46:43 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:28:29 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:22:49 PM, Enji wrote:Base 12 might be nice with miles and feet and yards (and time), however given the widespread use of the metric system I don't think it would be a useful replacement.In the past.Given the widespread of the Imperial system, the Metric system wouldn't be useful. Even considering it would make our lives easier.In the past base 10 was still widely used. You could argue that instead of changing to the metric system the change to base 12 would have been better.
 Posts: 3,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 3/31/2013 12:50:15 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:46:43 PM, Enji wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:28:29 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:22:49 PM, Enji wrote:Base 12 might be nice with miles and feet and yards (and time), however given the widespread use of the metric system I don't think it would be a useful replacement.In the past.Given the widespread of the Imperial system, the Metric system wouldn't be useful. Even considering it would make our lives easier.In the past base 10 was still widely used. You could argue that instead of changing to the metric system the change to base 12 would have been better.I guess if I was to debate it I could.bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign! http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... - Running for president. http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president. May the best man win!
 Posts: 25,980 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/7/2013 1:49:49 AMPosted: 5 years agoHow about base 30?That way you get 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.Really, any system would be good, if that is what everyone uses. It is like asking which language is better. For the most part, any language works to communicate ideas, so long as we are all on the same page."Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"
 Posts: 3,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/7/2013 2:22:43 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 4/7/2013 1:49:49 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:How about base 30?That way you get 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.Really, any system would be good, if that is what everyone uses. It is like asking which language is better. For the most part, any language works to communicate ideas, so long as we are all on the same page.But there are advantages and disadvantages.Base thirty does add more factors and may be a better base. It is a huge increase on the multiplication tables though. If the symbols can be made and remembered (I think they could be), then the benefits could be better multiplication, divisibility and shorter number length. Unfortunately I think the multiplication tables might be the death of it.I agree that the advantages do hinge on general usage.I also do think that we could create an artificial language which is better than our modern natural languages. I'm actually looking into it at the moment.bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign! http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... - Running for president. http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president. May the best man win!
 Posts: 25,980 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/8/2013 1:08:37 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 4/7/2013 2:22:43 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:At 4/7/2013 1:49:49 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:How about base 30?That way you get 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.Really, any system would be good, if that is what everyone uses. It is like asking which language is better. For the most part, any language works to communicate ideas, so long as we are all on the same page.But there are advantages and disadvantages.Base thirty does add more factors and may be a better base. It is a huge increase on the multiplication tables though. If the symbols can be made and remembered (I think they could be), then the benefits could be better multiplication, divisibility and shorter number length. Unfortunately I think the multiplication tables might be the death of it.I agree that the advantages do hinge on general usage.I also do think that we could create an artificial language which is better than our modern natural languages. I'm actually looking into it at the moment.But the advantages are fairly minute. The current SI system that the US uses is not based in anything. 12 inch to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, or 5280 feet to a mile. 16 oz to a pound, 2000 pounds to a ton. We just make stuff up and it sticks. Even with no base at all, it still works pretty well. So, yes, it could be argued that different bases are technically better, but are any of them so significantly better that we should change our entire structure for them?"Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"
 Posts: 18,337 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/8/2013 1:25:42 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 3/31/2013 12:40:37 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:29:21 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:26:28 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:At 3/31/2013 12:19:11 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:The thing about numerical systems is that they're all better for different calculations. Duodecimal would be better for 3s, 4s, and while decimal is better for 5s. What system you use would largely be determined by existing institutions and traditions (base twelve wouldn't play nice with the metric system, for example.)2's, 3's, 4's and 6's vs 2's and 5's. Plus I believe we're more likely to divide by 3 or 4 than we are by 5 (even under the influence of how easy it's made under the decimal system).Obviously the metric system doesn't work with it, but we just need to make them powers of 12 instead of 10.Good luck with that xDHave you seen the moronic system people in America still insist on using? It's hard enough to sell the metric system as is, trying to do it in base 12 would be impossible.Unfortunately, it seems some SI measurements are locked into Base 10. I think it's foolish to lock our standard units into any Bases because one of it's goals was to get rid of extra constants, so it shouldn't be introducing any at all.I think it starts with education and parallel integration. I know people don't like change, and sometimes that may be a good instinct, sometimes. But in the age we're in, I think it's important to make everything as efficient and convenient as we can. Being brought up on Metric, I like it, and think it's better than Imperial.I know it will be a hard sell though, if it would ever happen at all.SOME metric units are better than Imperial. I always find meters per second a convenient way to measure speed and integrate it with other units. Yet what is this kilometers per hour nonsense? Might as well use miles per hour if we are going to use complicated, pointless units since more Americans are familiar with it.
 Posts: 18,337 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/8/2013 1:28:53 AMPosted: 5 years agoAlso, binary seems like a cute base to use. We wouldn't have to worry about converting to binary as far as computers are concerned although it can be unwieldy for large numbers. Yet if we are used to it and we use binary scientific notation, why not?
 Posts: 25,980 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/8/2013 1:32:53 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 4/8/2013 1:28:53 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Also, binary seems like a cute base to use. We wouldn't have to worry about converting to binary as far as computers are concerned although it can be unwieldy for large numbers. Yet if we are used to it and we use binary scientific notation, why not?hexadecimal, or anything that is a power of 2 (so base 4, 8, 16, 32, etc) works."Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"