Total Posts:8|Showing Posts:1-8
Jump to topic:

We have never touched anything.

dylancatlow
Posts: 12,245
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/11/2013 6:16:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
To some, the fact that what we call 'touch' is merely the microscopic repulsive force of two surfaces with another leads to the conclusion that 'we have never touched anything.' I find this conclusion preposterous. The word 'touch' means whatever we have come to know it as.
Skepsikyma
Posts: 8,280
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/11/2013 6:30:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
These are generally the people who say 'whoa, man, 99.9% of the world is empty space. Anything is possible, because nothing's really there.'

*facepalm*

When we find out that things work in funny ways at the micro level, it does nothing to debunk sound observations at the macro level. You cannot walk through a wall because of the smallness of particles. Positive thoughts aren't suddenly equivalent to magic because of the uncertainty principle.

The people who go 'nothing is real anymore!' after studying quantum mechanics always remind me of Feynman's bit about hungry philosophers:
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
AlbinoBunny
Posts: 3,781
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.
bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign!

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org... - Running for president.
http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president.

May the best man win!
dylancatlow
Posts: 12,245
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/11/2013 6:40:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.

I would go further: two objects 'touching' with the strange definition of the atoms needing to literally be in contact with each other cannot be called touching at all! It's something weird.
tvellalott
Posts: 10,864
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/11/2013 11:40:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/11/2013 6:40:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.

I would go further: two objects 'touching' with the strange definition of the atoms needing to literally be in contact with each other cannot be called touching at all! It's something weird.

But lets call it touching anyway, so to avoid semantics.
/endthread
"Caitlyn Jenner is an incredibly brave and stunningly beautiful woman."

Muh threads
Using mafia tactics in real-life: http://www.debate.org...
6 years of DDO: http://www.debate.org...
AlbinoBunny
Posts: 3,781
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/13/2013 1:39:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/11/2013 11:40:42 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:40:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.

I would go further: two objects 'touching' with the strange definition of the atoms needing to literally be in contact with each other cannot be called touching at all! It's something weird.

But lets call it touching anyway, so to avoid semantics.
/endthread

In what way do you want atoms to physically contact each other?
bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign!

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org... - Running for president.
http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president.

May the best man win!
Skepsikyma
Posts: 8,280
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/13/2013 6:24:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/13/2013 1:39:12 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 4/11/2013 11:40:42 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:40:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.

I would go further: two objects 'touching' with the strange definition of the atoms needing to literally be in contact with each other cannot be called touching at all! It's something weird.

But lets call it touching anyway, so to avoid semantics.
/endthread

In what way do you want atoms to physically contact each other?

This is starting to get a bit too raunchy for my tastes...
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
R0b1Billion
Posts: 3,733
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/14/2013 12:02:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/11/2013 6:30:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
These are generally the people who say 'whoa, man, 99.9% of the world is empty space.

Either you can say that there is nothing which is empty space, or you can say that there is nothing which isn't empty space. Which one you choose merely depends on the scale you are using for reference.
Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.