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dylancatlow
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4/11/2013 6:16:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
To some, the fact that what we call 'touch' is merely the microscopic repulsive force of two surfaces with another leads to the conclusion that 'we have never touched anything.' I find this conclusion preposterous. The word 'touch' means whatever we have come to know it as.
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Skepsikyma
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4/11/2013 6:30:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
These are generally the people who say 'whoa, man, 99.9% of the world is empty space. Anything is possible, because nothing's really there.'

*facepalm*

When we find out that things work in funny ways at the micro level, it does nothing to debunk sound observations at the macro level. You cannot walk through a wall because of the smallness of particles. Positive thoughts aren't suddenly equivalent to magic because of the uncertainty principle.

The people who go 'nothing is real anymore!' after studying quantum mechanics always remind me of Feynman's bit about hungry philosophers:
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
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"Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens,
Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship"
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AlbinoBunny
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4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.
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dylancatlow
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4/11/2013 6:40:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.

I would go further: two objects 'touching' with the strange definition of the atoms needing to literally be in contact with each other cannot be called touching at all! It's something weird.
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4/11/2013 11:40:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/11/2013 6:40:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.

I would go further: two objects 'touching' with the strange definition of the atoms needing to literally be in contact with each other cannot be called touching at all! It's something weird.

But lets call it touching anyway, so to avoid semantics.
/endthread
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4/13/2013 1:39:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/11/2013 11:40:42 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:40:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.

I would go further: two objects 'touching' with the strange definition of the atoms needing to literally be in contact with each other cannot be called touching at all! It's something weird.

But lets call it touching anyway, so to avoid semantics.
/endthread

In what way do you want atoms to physically contact each other?
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Skepsikyma
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4/13/2013 6:24:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/13/2013 1:39:12 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 4/11/2013 11:40:42 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:40:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/11/2013 6:33:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Yeah I don't think we need physical contact for it to be called touch, the repulsive force counts.

I would go further: two objects 'touching' with the strange definition of the atoms needing to literally be in contact with each other cannot be called touching at all! It's something weird.

But lets call it touching anyway, so to avoid semantics.
/endthread

In what way do you want atoms to physically contact each other?

This is starting to get a bit too raunchy for my tastes...
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
- Lord Dunsany -

"Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens,
Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship"
- Henry Longfellow -

"We enjoy, we see nothing by direct vision; but only by reflection, and in anatomical dismemberment."
- Thomas Carlyle -
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4/14/2013 12:02:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/11/2013 6:30:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
These are generally the people who say 'whoa, man, 99.9% of the world is empty space.

Either you can say that there is nothing which is empty space, or you can say that there is nothing which isn't empty space. Which one you choose merely depends on the scale you are using for reference.
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