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ClassicRobert
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6/21/2013 9:36:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is all I've got. It can't possibly be right... or could it?

http://www.dudelol.com...
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6/21/2013 1:40:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yep that's correct. You can tell because the "dudelol.com" with a big smiling face and teeth certifies it as correct.
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6/21/2013 2:31:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 1:40:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Yep that's correct. You can tell because the "dudelol.com" with a big smiling face and teeth certifies it as correct.

Yup, my thoughts exactly.
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6/21/2013 7:04:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's to do with charges, which are an inherent property of particles. There's really no how, it's just what we observe, there is nothing underlying the principles of magnetism.
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6/23/2013 2:34:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's not fully understood. We have names for the forces involved, but that's about it.
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6/23/2013 2:38:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 2:34:44 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
It's not fully understood. We have names for the forces involved, but that's about it.

Yay for tautologies.
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6/23/2013 4:57:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 2:34:44 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
It's not fully understood. We have names for the forces involved, but that's about it.

What do you mean that's about it? There's a whole theory about how it unifies with the weak force, virtual photon interactions and a whole bunch of stuff my second year physics course didn't cover.

Also, if the questioner is interested in how magnets (as opposed to the magnetic force) works, it's got to do with the magnetic dipole created by the angular momentum of the electrons in the atoms making up the substance. If enough of them align in the same direction then you get a magnet. Moving electricity creates a magnetic field. The electrons in the material are 'moving' (quantum mechanics thing) around in circles and so they generate a magnetic field.
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6/23/2013 5:45:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 4:57:34 PM, the_croftmeister wrote:
At 6/23/2013 2:34:44 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
It's not fully understood. We have names for the forces involved, but that's about it.

What do you mean that's about it? There's a whole theory about how it unifies with the weak force, virtual photon interactions and a whole bunch of stuff my second year physics course didn't cover.

Also, if the questioner is interested in how magnets (as opposed to the magnetic force) works, it's got to do with the magnetic dipole created by the angular momentum of the electrons in the atoms making up the substance. If enough of them align in the same direction then you get a magnet. Moving electricity creates a magnetic field. The electrons in the material are 'moving' (quantum mechanics thing) around in circles and so they generate a magnetic field.

Really? I thought it was definitely that gravity thing...
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6/23/2013 6:39:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Lol, I realise you didn't mean the thread seriously, but some people evidently read it that way. In which case others might and I thought it would be good not to promote misconceptions at least
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6/23/2013 7:23:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 4:57:34 PM, the_croftmeister wrote:
At 6/23/2013 2:34:44 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
It's not fully understood. We have names for the forces involved, but that's about it.

What do you mean that's about it? There's a whole theory about how it unifies with the weak force, virtual photon interactions and a whole bunch of stuff my second year physics course didn't cover.

Also, if the questioner is interested in how magnets (as opposed to the magnetic force) works, it's got to do with the magnetic dipole created by the angular momentum of the electrons in the atoms making up the substance. If enough of them align in the same direction then you get a magnet. Moving electricity creates a magnetic field. The electrons in the material are 'moving' (quantum mechanics thing) around in circles and so they generate a magnetic field.

I mean we can describe the effects of electromagnetic phenomena, and their interactions with other forces, but we cannot describe what exactly the force is in and of itself. Which is usually what people who ask this question are ultimately after.
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6/23/2013 7:28:51 PM
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At 6/23/2013 7:23:30 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:57:34 PM, the_croftmeister wrote:
At 6/23/2013 2:34:44 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
It's not fully understood. We have names for the forces involved, but that's about it.

What do you mean that's about it? There's a whole theory about how it unifies with the weak force, virtual photon interactions and a whole bunch of stuff my second year physics course didn't cover.

Also, if the questioner is interested in how magnets (as opposed to the magnetic force) works, it's got to do with the magnetic dipole created by the angular momentum of the electrons in the atoms making up the substance. If enough of them align in the same direction then you get a magnet. Moving electricity creates a magnetic field. The electrons in the material are 'moving' (quantum mechanics thing) around in circles and so they generate a magnetic field.

I mean we can describe the effects of electromagnetic phenomena, and their interactions with other forces, but we cannot describe what exactly the force is in and of itself. Which is usually what people who ask this question are ultimately after.

If that's your experience fair enough. It isn't mine. We don't really have good metaphysical explanations for anything so this problem isn't limited just to magnetism.
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6/23/2013 7:36:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 7:28:51 PM, the_croftmeister wrote:
At 6/23/2013 7:23:30 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:57:34 PM, the_croftmeister wrote:
At 6/23/2013 2:34:44 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
It's not fully understood. We have names for the forces involved, but that's about it.

What do you mean that's about it? There's a whole theory about how it unifies with the weak force, virtual photon interactions and a whole bunch of stuff my second year physics course didn't cover.

Also, if the questioner is interested in how magnets (as opposed to the magnetic force) works, it's got to do with the magnetic dipole created by the angular momentum of the electrons in the atoms making up the substance. If enough of them align in the same direction then you get a magnet. Moving electricity creates a magnetic field. The electrons in the material are 'moving' (quantum mechanics thing) around in circles and so they generate a magnetic field.

I mean we can describe the effects of electromagnetic phenomena, and their interactions with other forces, but we cannot describe what exactly the force is in and of itself. Which is usually what people who ask this question are ultimately after.

If that's your experience fair enough. It isn't mine. We don't really have good metaphysical explanations for anything so this problem isn't limited just to magnetism.

I'd agree. I've just learned that trying to answer this question tends to frustrate both parties, because the scientist puts a lot of effort into explaining what we do know, but the curious party is usually (nine times out of ten) only interested in what we don't know (a good metaphysical explanation). The common question that I encounter ad nauseum is 'yeah, but what is it really?'
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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6/24/2013 8:16:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 7:36:43 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

The common question that I encounter ad nauseum is 'yeah, but what is it really?'
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6/29/2013 12:12:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Which kind?

Rare earth magnets, electromagnets or chick magnets
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2/2/2014 5:41:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2013 9:36:27 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
This is all I've got. It can't possibly be right... or could it?

http://www.dudelol.com...

The technical explanation is that electrons in the atoms release virtual photons which impart momentum onto another magnetic or electrically charged object.
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