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Mathematics ends in meaninglessness

shakuntala
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7/2/2013 10:57:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This author points out Mathematics ends in meaninglessness for five reasons
http://www.scribd.com...

reason 1)

mathematics proves a finite number = a non-finite number

1 is a finite number and .9999... [ie to infinity] is a non-finite number

mathematics proves 1=.9999... [ie to infinity]
thus mathematics ends in meaninglessness

proof
x=.999... [ie to infinity]

10x=9.99...

10x -(x)= 9.99... - (.999...)

9x=9

x=1
thus x=1 and x=.999...
thus 1=.999....
simply
0.9999... = 1 means mathematics ends in contradiction
0.9999.... is a non-finite number/
1 is a finite number
thus we have
a finite number = non-finite number
thus a contradiction in terms
thus
mathematics ends in contradiction
thus maths ends in meaninglessness
Floid
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7/3/2013 7:54:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
And yet mathematics is useful and the philosophy of whether or not something has meaning is not...

So it appears the real contradiction comes not from finite versus non-finite but useful versus not-useful.
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7/3/2013 9:17:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
In the sense you are using them "a finite" number and a "non-finite" number is gibberish. There are many ways to represent the same number, even within the same base, and you stumbled upon 2 of them.
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7/3/2013 9:36:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why is extrapolation such a hard task for some people.

If you keep adding more 9's to 0.9999.. eventually it gets so close to 1 as to be indistinguishable. Why can you not understand that simple idea?

If you where going home but only got 99.9999999...% of the way home how far have you still to travel? answer 0

If an object cost $0.999999999... what change do you get from $1.00?
answer 0

Do you get the idea yet.

The difference between 0.999... and 1 is 0.

While I'm in [rant] mode, Why is mathematics under attack from the irrational faction. Mathematics is based on simple axiomatic rules and can be reliable used to prove or disprove most statements. But some groups feel this is not good enough so instead use <sarcasm>"language"</sarcasm> to prove their point! How can verbal arguments be superior to maths? Language is full of inconsistency, contradiction, ambiguity and was never designed to be used to prove or disprove mathematical arguments. Language evolved by accident and its use changes pretty much with the prevailing wind. Language finds that infinite sum = finite is a paradox but maths does not [/rant]
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7/3/2013 5:16:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/2/2013 10:57:13 PM, shakuntala wrote:
This author points out Mathematics ends in meaninglessness for five reasons
http://www.scribd.com...

reason 1)

mathematics proves a finite number = a non-finite number

No it doesn't.

1 is a finite number and .9999... [ie to infinity] is a non-finite number

No it isn't, .999... is equal to one, it is a finite number.

mathematics proves 1=.9999... [ie to infinity]
thus mathematics ends in meaninglessness

Then how do you explain "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences"?

proof
x=.999... [ie to infinity]

10x=9.99...

10x -(x)= 9.99... - (.999...)

9x=9

x=1
thus x=1 and x=.999...
thus 1=.999....
simply
0.9999... = 1 means mathematics ends in contradiction
0.9999.... is a non-finite number/
1 is a finite number
thus we have
a finite number = non-finite number

Nope, a finite number = a finite number

thus a contradiction in terms

Nope, it is not a contradiction.

thus
mathematics ends in contradiction

No it doesn't.

thus maths ends in meaninglessness

Nope, the OP ends in meaningless.
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Enji
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7/3/2013 6:00:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/3/2013 5:16:53 PM, Sidewalker wrote:

Nope, the OP ends in meaningless.

When the OP is Colin Leslie Dean, Australia's alleged leading erotic poet parading around the internet advocating his own failed ideas about philosophy, mathematics, evolution, and a bunch of other stuff he doesn't know anything about - I'm not sure why you'd expect any different.
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7/3/2013 6:19:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/3/2013 6:00:06 PM, Enji wrote:
At 7/3/2013 5:16:53 PM, Sidewalker wrote:

Nope, the OP ends in meaningless.

When the OP is Colin Leslie Dean, Australia's alleged leading erotic poet parading around the internet advocating his own failed ideas about philosophy, mathematics, evolution, and a bunch of other stuff he doesn't know anything about - I'm not sure why you'd expect any different.

I just haven't kept up with the latest literary trends of Australian erotic poetry, I thought I'd wait for the movie.
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7/3/2013 11:02:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I see where your confusion is.

0.999... recurring is not a "non-finite" number, rather it is a non-finite expression of a finite number

The size of a number and how big it is when you write it down are two different things.

ie.

10^100 (a googol) is a massive number. It's more than the total number of elementary particles in the known universe. But It's really small when I write it down.

All you've really demonstrated is a weird oddity regarding the way we use and express mathematics, not anything wrong with mathematics itself.
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7/5/2013 4:37:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/2/2013 10:57:13 PM, shakuntala wrote:
This author points out Mathematics ends in meaninglessness for five reasons
http://www.scribd.com...

reason 1)

mathematics proves a finite number = a non-finite number

1 is a finite number and .9999... [ie to infinity] is a non-finite number
That is incorrect. 0.999... is a non-finite representation of a finite number, ie 1.


mathematics proves 1=.9999... [ie to infinity]
thus mathematics ends in meaninglessness
Incorrect; your premises are faulty.

proof
x=.999... [ie to infinity]

10x=9.99...

10x -(x)= 9.99... - (.999...)

9x=9

x=1
thus x=1 and x=.999...
thus 1=.999....
simply
0.9999... = 1 means mathematics ends in contradiction
Incorrect; false premise.

0.9999.... is a non-finite number/
Incorrect; 0.999... is a finite number whose representation is non-finite.

1 is a finite number
thus we have
a finite number = non-finite number
False; a finite number = finite number

thus a contradiction in terms
thus
mathematics ends in contradiction
thus maths ends in meaninglessness
False.
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7/6/2013 12:58:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Infinitesimal is as good as nothing.
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