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Mathematics ends in meaninglessness
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7/2/2013 10:57:13 PM Posted: 4 years ago This author points out Mathematics ends in meaninglessness for five reasons
http://www.scribd.com... reason 1) mathematics proves a finite number = a nonfinite number 1 is a finite number and .9999... [ie to infinity] is a nonfinite number mathematics proves 1=.9999... [ie to infinity] thus mathematics ends in meaninglessness proof x=.999... [ie to infinity] 10x=9.99... 10x (x)= 9.99...  (.999...) 9x=9 x=1 thus x=1 and x=.999... thus 1=.999.... simply 0.9999... = 1 means mathematics ends in contradiction 0.9999.... is a nonfinite number/ 1 is a finite number thus we have a finite number = nonfinite number thus a contradiction in terms thus mathematics ends in contradiction thus maths ends in meaninglessness 
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7/2/2013 10:57:58 PM Posted: 4 years ago Heroin ends in meaninglessness too. Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it...

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7/3/2013 6:39:05 AM Posted: 4 years ago At 7/2/2013 10:57:58 PM, YYW wrote: +1 
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7/3/2013 7:54:25 AM Posted: 4 years ago And yet mathematics is useful and the philosophy of whether or not something has meaning is not...
So it appears the real contradiction comes not from finite versus nonfinite but useful versus notuseful. 
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7/3/2013 9:17:35 AM Posted: 4 years ago In the sense you are using them "a finite" number and a "nonfinite" number is gibberish. There are many ways to represent the same number, even within the same base, and you stumbled upon 2 of them.

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7/3/2013 9:20:04 AM Posted: 4 years ago But... far be it for me to argue with Australia's leading erotic poet.

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7/3/2013 9:36:46 AM Posted: 4 years ago Why is extrapolation such a hard task for some people.
If you keep adding more 9's to 0.9999.. eventually it gets so close to 1 as to be indistinguishable. Why can you not understand that simple idea? If you where going home but only got 99.9999999...% of the way home how far have you still to travel? answer 0 If an object cost $0.999999999... what change do you get from $1.00? answer 0 Do you get the idea yet. The difference between 0.999... and 1 is 0. While I'm in [rant] mode, Why is mathematics under attack from the irrational faction. Mathematics is based on simple axiomatic rules and can be reliable used to prove or disprove most statements. But some groups feel this is not good enough so instead use <sarcasm>"language"</sarcasm> to prove their point! How can verbal arguments be superior to maths? Language is full of inconsistency, contradiction, ambiguity and was never designed to be used to prove or disprove mathematical arguments. Language evolved by accident and its use changes pretty much with the prevailing wind. Language finds that infinite sum = finite is a paradox but maths does not [/rant] Let's hope "the truth is out there" cos there is bugger all round here. 
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7/3/2013 5:16:53 PM Posted: 4 years ago At 7/2/2013 10:57:13 PM, shakuntala wrote: No it doesn't. No it isn't, .999... is equal to one, it is a finite number. mathematics proves 1=.9999... [ie to infinity] Then how do you explain "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences"?
Nope, a finite number = a finite number thus a contradiction in terms Nope, it is not a contradiction. thus No it doesn't. thus maths ends in meaninglessness Nope, the OP ends in meaningless. "It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater 
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7/3/2013 6:00:06 PM Posted: 4 years ago At 7/3/2013 5:16:53 PM, Sidewalker wrote: When the OP is Colin Leslie Dean, Australia's alleged leading erotic poet parading around the internet advocating his own failed ideas about philosophy, mathematics, evolution, and a bunch of other stuff he doesn't know anything about  I'm not sure why you'd expect any different. 
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7/3/2013 6:19:28 PM Posted: 4 years ago At 7/3/2013 6:00:06 PM, Enji wrote:At 7/3/2013 5:16:53 PM, Sidewalker wrote: I just haven't kept up with the latest literary trends of Australian erotic poetry, I thought I'd wait for the movie. "It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater 
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7/3/2013 10:13:07 PM Posted: 4 years ago GRAND POOBAH OF DDO fnord 
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7/3/2013 11:02:50 PM Posted: 4 years ago I see where your confusion is.
0.999... recurring is not a "nonfinite" number, rather it is a nonfinite expression of a finite number The size of a number and how big it is when you write it down are two different things. ie. 10^100 (a googol) is a massive number. It's more than the total number of elementary particles in the known universe. But It's really small when I write it down. All you've really demonstrated is a weird oddity regarding the way we use and express mathematics, not anything wrong with mathematics itself. "I'm not saying I don't trust you...and I'm not saying I do. But I don't" Topper Harley 
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7/5/2013 4:37:28 PM Posted: 4 years ago At 7/2/2013 10:57:13 PM, shakuntala wrote:That is incorrect. 0.999... is a nonfinite representation of a finite number, ie 1. Incorrect; your premises are faulty. proofIncorrect; false premise. 0.9999.... is a nonfinite number/Incorrect; 0.999... is a finite number whose representation is nonfinite. 1 is a finite numberFalse; a finite number = finite number thus a contradiction in termsFalse. WOS : At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote: : Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something. 
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7/6/2013 12:58:16 PM Posted: 4 years ago Infinitesimal is as good as nothing.
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