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7/14/2013 5:05:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Photon- Electron self identity problems.
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The energy of x-ray photon is E=h*f
The energy of radio photon is E=h*f
The energy of electron is E=h*f
What is difference between quantum particles ?
The frequency makes difference.
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Dualism of quantum particle depends on its behavior, on its impulse ( h or h*=h/2pi ).
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7/18/2013 2:22:37 PM
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There is a world of difference between a photon and an electron. An electron is a fundamental particle of matter and a lepton. It participates in electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear force. A photon is a gauge boson that is the force carrier of the electromagnetic force itself.

This means that there are several fundamental difference between them (i.e. the difference in a lepton and a boson). An electron has a mass, while the photon is pure energy and has no rest mass. Further, a photon always goes at the speed of light (assuming the particle is in a vacuum), while it is impossible for an electron to go that speed.
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7/18/2013 4:55:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/18/2013 2:22:37 PM, Subutai wrote:
There is a world of difference between a photon and an electron. An electron is a fundamental particle of matter and a lepton. It participates in electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear force. A photon is a gauge boson that is the force carrier of the electromagnetic force itself.

This means that there are several fundamental difference between them (i.e. the difference in a lepton and a boson). An electron has a mass, while the photon is pure energy and has no rest mass. Further, a photon always goes at the speed of light (assuming the particle is in a vacuum), while it is impossible for an electron to go that speed.
Yep. But a photon ALWAYS travels at the speed of light regardless if it is in a vacuum or not. Remember that the "speed of light" is ONLY c when it is in a vacuum.
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7/18/2013 5:03:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/18/2013 4:55:22 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/18/2013 2:22:37 PM, Subutai wrote:
There is a world of difference between a photon and an electron. An electron is a fundamental particle of matter and a lepton. It participates in electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear force. A photon is a gauge boson that is the force carrier of the electromagnetic force itself.

This means that there are several fundamental difference between them (i.e. the difference in a lepton and a boson). An electron has a mass, while the photon is pure energy and has no rest mass. Further, a photon always goes at the speed of light (assuming the particle is in a vacuum), while it is impossible for an electron to go that speed.
Yep. But a photon ALWAYS travels at the speed of light regardless if it is in a vacuum or not. Remember that the "speed of light" is ONLY c when it is in a vacuum.

Oh, yeah. I misworded what I was attempting to say.
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7/21/2013 8:04:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/14/2013 5:05:44 AM, socratus wrote:
Photon- Electron self identity problems.
=..
The energy of x-ray photon is E=h*f
The energy of radio photon is E=h*f
The energy of electron is E=h*f
What is difference between quantum particles ?
The frequency makes difference.
#
Dualism of quantum particle depends on its behavior, on its impulse ( h or h*=h/2pi ).
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socratus

Book " Isaac Newton "
by Soviet academician S. I. Vavilov:
" For photons with extremely high fluctuations,
. . . ., in experience was observed the remarkable
phenomenon of transformation them in electrons.
And undoubtedly, a reverse process is also possible."
/ page 94. /
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Frequency is the key to everything
Frequency makes difference between particles.
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The secret of God and Existence is hidden
in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
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7/21/2013 8:24:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/18/2013 4:55:22 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/18/2013 2:22:37 PM, Subutai wrote:
There is a world of difference between a photon and an electron. An electron is a fundamental particle of matter and a lepton. It participates in electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear force. A photon is a gauge boson that is the force carrier of the electromagnetic force itself.

This means that there are several fundamental difference between them (i.e. the difference in a lepton and a boson). An electron has a mass, while the photon is pure energy and has no rest mass. Further, a photon always goes at the speed of light (assuming the particle is in a vacuum), while it is impossible for an electron to go that speed.
Yep. But a photon ALWAYS travels at the speed of light
regardless if it is in a vacuum or not.
Remember that the "speed of light" is ONLY c when it is in a vacuum.
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An paradox in interaction between electron and photon.
How can an electron ( slower than c ) emit photon at c=1?
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Light is emitted or absorbed by an electron as electron moves
from one discrete energy to another. / common opinion /
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Book:
' Now take the electron. Even if its velocity is close to that
of light " 10^10 cm/s " it will have a momentum of only
about 10^-17 g cm/s. The gamma photon used for
illumination has a very short wavelength ( say, 6 10^13 cm)
and a momentum of 10^-14, which is thousands of times that
of the electron. So, when a photon hits an electron, it is like
a railway train smashing into a baby- carriage."

/ Book: ABC"s of quantum mechanics. By V. Rydnik. Page 98-99. /
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Opinions, please.
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7/22/2013 8:35:30 PM
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At 7/21/2013 8:24:46 AM, socratus wrote:
At 7/18/2013 4:55:22 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/18/2013 2:22:37 PM, Subutai wrote:
There is a world of difference between a photon and an electron. An electron is a fundamental particle of matter and a lepton. It participates in electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear force. A photon is a gauge boson that is the force carrier of the electromagnetic force itself.

This means that there are several fundamental difference between them (i.e. the difference in a lepton and a boson). An electron has a mass, while the photon is pure energy and has no rest mass. Further, a photon always goes at the speed of light (assuming the particle is in a vacuum), while it is impossible for an electron to go that speed.
Yep. But a photon ALWAYS travels at the speed of light
regardless if it is in a vacuum or not.
Remember that the "speed of light" is ONLY c when it is in a vacuum.
=========================================================..

An paradox in interaction between electron and photon.
How can an electron ( slower than c ) emit photon at c=1?
====="
Light is emitted or absorbed by an electron as electron moves
from one discrete energy to another. / common opinion /
==..==..
Book:
' Now take the electron. Even if its velocity is close to that
of light " 10^10 cm/s " it will have a momentum of only
about 10^-17 g cm/s. The gamma photon used for
illumination has a very short wavelength ( say, 6 10^13 cm)
and a momentum of 10^-14, which is thousands of times that
of the electron. So, when a photon hits an electron, it is like
a railway train smashing into a baby- carriage."

/ Book: ABC"s of quantum mechanics. By V. Rydnik. Page 98-99. /
==. ..
Opinions, please.
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The interaction between electrons is doing by quantum of light .
/ Today"s opinion. /
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The interaction between quantum of light and atom.
A simple atom is : electron + proton + empty space (!?).
One of four things can be happened:
1
The photon gives up its energy to an electron located in the atom.
Armed with this extra energy, the electron is able to move to
a higher energy level. ( and the photon disappears - where is photon now ? )
/ In this situation, when a photon hits an electron, it is like
a railway train smashing into a baby- carriage."/
2
A gamma photon with much more energetic would strongly kick
the electron out of the atom
(and might even produce electron/positron pairs in the process).
/ In this situation, when a photon hits an electron, it is like
a railway train smashing into a baby- carriage."/
3
The photon gives up its energy to the proton .
Proton is about 2000 times heavier than electron.
Maybe in this situation the poor photon is smashing now . . . .
. . . . and it will be hard to him to radiate back.
4 .
The empty substance (!?) allows the photon to pass through unchanged.
Known as transmission, this happens because the photon doesn't
interact with any electron or proton and continues its journey until
it interacts with another object.
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All four scenario are speculative because we don"t know
what photon and electron are and where the proton mass come from.
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P.S.
1900, 1905, 1913
Planck, Einstein and Bohr found the energy of electron as: E=h*f.
1916
Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c,
1928
Dirac found two more formulas of electron"s energy:
+E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2.
According to QED in interaction with vacuum electron"s
energy is infinite: E= W34;
The energy of electron in the simplest atom is: E= - me^4/ 2h*^2 = -13,6 eV
The negative mark of energy shows that electron is tied in atom.
Questions.
Why does simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas ?
What is interaction between them?
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The secret of God and Existence is hidden
in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
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7/23/2013 12:44:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
As Richard Feynman wrote in 1985 :
" . . .the interaction between light ( electromagnetic fields ) and matter is strange."
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in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
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7/29/2013 7:03:08 PM
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The problem of the knowledge about an electron.
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1900, 1905, 1913
Planck, Einstein and Bohr found the energy of electron as: E=h*f.
1916
Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c,
1928
Dirac found two more formulas of electron"s energy:
+ E=Mc^2 and - E=Mc^2.
According to QED in interaction with vacuum electron"s
energy is infinite: E= infinite
The energy of electron in the simplest atom is:
E= - me^4/ 2h*^2 = - 13,6 eV
The negative mark of energy shows that electron is tied in atom.
Electron is a particle - corpuscular and it is a wave too.
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There is an old Indian parable of the blind men and the elephant.
Every of them touched different parts of elephant and said:
it is like a snake, like a ball, like a tomb . . . etc
Doesn't their knowledge about elephant is similar to our knowledge about electron ?
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We know electron by what it does, not by what it is.
In the highest level we still don't know what kind of particle (animal) we are dealing.
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The secret of God and Existence is hidden
in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .