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A Technological Singularity

AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 1:06:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Is something like this even plausible? That is, is it plausible that we someday build a machine which is pretty much just omniscient? And if we did, could we ever even know that we did? Seems to me we're stuck living with God, no?
AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 1:22:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Is omniscience, in and of itself, God? Does something, in being omniscient, then stand outside of time? Say, even if the hub of omniscience were destroyed, would that take from its omniscience? Hard to know, right? I mean if something were selectively omniscient, sure - like if it were something with a mind akin to ours, bound to a timeline - but what if it weren't? God?

And then the selectively omniscient machine would kinda predicate the possibility of the other sort, wouldn't it? Unless the universe were proven not to be infinite, no? And then what if the universe were proven not to be infinite? Hmm. God?

Sorry, just playing Vonnegut lol
AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 1:27:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Vonnegut came up with the idea of Ice-nine, a trinket of science by which all the water on the earth would be frozen. That was f*cking ingenious. Haha, no that's dumb.

I think we should terraform the Sun and go live there.
AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 1:28:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 1:27:24 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Vonnegut came up with the idea of Ice-nine, a trinket of science by which all the water on the earth would be frozen. That was f*cking ingenious. Haha, no that's dumb.

I think we should terraform the Sun and go live there.

Ah sh*t, that wasn't original. Give me a minute.

Came out of my own head, though!!
AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 1:33:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
How about if we invented a kind of rubber with a coefficient of restitution ranging into the hundreds, non-fractional?!?! No wait, never mind.
AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 1:39:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What if, instead of bending space-time in upon itself so as to create wormholes, we instead opted for creating waves in space-time which we could surf to speed up our travel across the universe because that would be much cooler?!?! You know... Silver Surfer!!

Original?
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9/15/2013 1:41:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Planetary bridges like the stairs in Hogwarts, moving as the planets moved, not disrupting their orbits which might be a bit too complicated?!?!? Think that's what J.K. Rowling was getting at?!?! Fricking pwned!!
AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 6:35:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 6:12:08 PM, Jack212 wrote:
Can you please take your meds before posting? 10 posts in a row is just crazy.

Yeah, and that's not just you trying to project your insecurities onto me. Don't worry, man. I'm communist super hero.
cybertron1998
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9/15/2013 6:36:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 6:35:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:12:08 PM, Jack212 wrote:
Can you please take your meds before posting? 10 posts in a row is just crazy.

Yeah, and that's not just you trying to project your insecurities onto me. Don't worry, man. I'm communist super hero.

your the one to talk about insecurities
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 6:40:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 6:36:05 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:35:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:12:08 PM, Jack212 wrote:
Can you please take your meds before posting? 10 posts in a row is just crazy.

Yeah, and that's not just you trying to project your insecurities onto me. Don't worry, man. I'm communist super hero.

your the one to talk about insecurities

Dude, I'm not insecure about anything. Literally nothing. And all because I have my priorities straight.
cybertron1998
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9/15/2013 6:46:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 6:40:49 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:36:05 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:35:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:12:08 PM, Jack212 wrote:
Can you please take your meds before posting? 10 posts in a row is just crazy.

Yeah, and that's not just you trying to project your insecurities onto me. Don't worry, man. I'm communist super hero.

your the one to talk about insecurities

Dude, I'm not insecure about anything. Literally nothing. And all because I have my priorities straight.

saying that your that secure makes you really insecure
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
AnDoctuir
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9/15/2013 6:48:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 6:46:16 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:40:49 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:36:05 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:35:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 9/15/2013 6:12:08 PM, Jack212 wrote:
Can you please take your meds before posting? 10 posts in a row is just crazy.

Yeah, and that's not just you trying to project your insecurities onto me. Don't worry, man. I'm communist super hero.

your the one to talk about insecurities

Dude, I'm not insecure about anything. Literally nothing. And all because I have my priorities straight.

saying that your that secure makes you really insecure

No actually it doesn't. I'm promoting a mindset. Pain is not so bad, dude. Not something to lose all hope because of anyway.
RoyLatham
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9/16/2013 6:14:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 1:06:14 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Is something like this even plausible? That is, is it plausible that we someday build a machine which is pretty much just omniscient? And if we did, could we ever even know that we did? Seems to me we're stuck living with God, no?

No, it is not plausible. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle says that not everything is knowable, and worse yet, the universe could not function as it does if all were knowable. Some things are necessary only defined as probabilities.

Since not everything is knowable, it means we're stuck living without an omniscient God.
AnDoctuir
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9/16/2013 6:18:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 6:14:39 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 9/15/2013 1:06:14 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Is something like this even plausible? That is, is it plausible that we someday build a machine which is pretty much just omniscient? And if we did, could we ever even know that we did? Seems to me we're stuck living with God, no?

No, it is not plausible. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle says that not everything is knowable, and worse yet, the universe could not function as it does if all were knowable. Some things are necessary only defined as probabilities.

Since not everything is knowable, it means we're stuck living without an omniscient God.

Interesting, Roy. Could still be a God though right?
RoyLatham
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9/17/2013 12:59:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 6:18:40 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:

Interesting, Roy. Could still be a God though right?

Yes, the properties of God must be such that they do not contradict what we observe. For example, I don't see anyway to disprove the Deist God of Jefferson.
AnDoctuir
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9/17/2013 1:08:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/17/2013 12:59:17 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 9/16/2013 6:18:40 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:

Interesting, Roy. Could still be a God though right?

Yes, the properties of God must be such that they do not contradict what we observe. For example, I don't see anyway to disprove the Deist God of Jefferson.

Funny dude. Is that uncertainty principle really set in stone though, backing up a little? Sorry it interests me but I don't have very much time to be looking into it at the moment. I mean you're pretty much saying, "Aha! Got you there, God!"
RoyLatham
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9/17/2013 1:29:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/17/2013 1:08:10 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:

Funny dude. Is that uncertainty principle really set in stone though, backing up a little? Sorry it interests me but I don't have very much time to be looking into it at the moment. I mean you're pretty much saying, "Aha! Got you there, God!"

No one has found a way that the uncertainty principle could be wrong and have the universe still function as it does. Since it goes against previous scientific theories, a great deal of effort has been spent by the best minds trying to find a way. Einstein was a skeptic, but he finally accepted it.

Defining God as having omniscience is only one concept of God. There are many concepts of God that do not require that claim. God might be omniscient about certain important things while not being omniscient about everything.

I think the Argument from Evil and the Argument from Non-belief impose other restrictions on concepts of Gods. Those restrict omnipotence. One way out of those limits is to postulate a Devil along with God. Many religions do that.
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9/17/2013 2:01:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
A technological singularity isn't possible. It's just the point at which Moore's Law no longer works, just as how a gravitational singularity is the point at which General Relativity no longer works. All it means is that you need a new theory to predict those results.