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Greek Eyes Proof of Evolution?

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12/22/2009 4:08:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
In Homers Illiad and Odyssey, he only mentions colours such as Bronze, which are generalisations not of actual colour that we perceive but rather characteristics of something. He called the sky bronze as it was shiny, like the sheen of a shield.

Anyhow, it's hypothesised because of this the ancient Greeks lacked the ability to distinguish colours like we do, and since then we have developed to perceive colours.

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12/22/2009 4:12:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Homer is believed to have been a blind Greek poet.
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12/22/2009 4:13:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
No...

Epic poems with Gods, Goddesses, miracles, et cetera do not prove evolution. Probably just metaphorical language
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12/22/2009 11:36:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
It was a Greek affection to call the sky bronze (no true word for blue, more indications of brightness/darkness e.g.), so not just Homer. When he refers to a bronze sky, it most likely indicates a bright sky.
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12/23/2009 9:55:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The sky was probably a different color then, since all the water from the Great Flood was still in the sky.

Just kidding. But this isn't an indication of evolution at work. I'm fairly certain even more ancient cultures, like the ancient sumerians, worked diligently making paints and pigments of various colors.

Our closest primate ancestors also have the ability to distinguish between all the same colors as us (red, green, blue) due to having the same trichromatic cones in their eyes.
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12/23/2009 10:00:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Right, but these are the only colours he references. He also uses Cyan to describe hair, and yellow-green to describe honey.
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12/23/2009 10:10:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/23/2009 10:00:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Right, but these are the only colours he references. He also uses Cyan to describe hair, and yellow-green to describe honey.

A lot of people think it might be because he was blind.

http://www.google.co.uk...
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12/23/2009 10:13:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/23/2009 10:10:13 AM, feverish wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:00:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Right, but these are the only colours he references. He also uses Cyan to describe hair, and yellow-green to describe honey.

A lot of people think it might be because he was blind.

http://www.google.co.uk...

"but modern scholars are skeptical: no reliable biographical information has been handed down from classical antiquity, and the poems themselves manifestly represent the culmination of many centuries of oral story-telling and a well-developed "formulaic" system of poetic composition."

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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12/26/2009 4:45:50 PM
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What is Greek now, is not Greek from Homer's time. That language usage died out before the 15th century, becoming subsumed under Koine and Byzantium Greek, which was modified to the modern Greek spoken now.
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12/29/2009 6:48:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well, a few comments:

1.) From what I have read, all great apes share similar color vision which would point to this being an inhereted trait from our common ancestor, not something that evolved in humans in the last 5,000 years.

2.) Forming a scientific hypothesis based on a very small selection of ancient writings in general isn't a good idea. Otherwise, we also must hypothesize that snakes can talk or that a great flood covered the entire world not too long ago.

I think Homer's use of colors would be much more likely explained as artistic license, metaphorical, or differences in language and translation.
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12/29/2009 6:50:52 AM
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The ancient Greeks made art work composed of a myriad of colours, it does not seem that they were colour blind.
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12/29/2009 7:14:29 AM
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Or could it be that Homer was simply a half-literate retard who couldn't spell properly?

After all it is a lot easier to spell "bronze" in ancient Greek "blue". Probably.
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12/29/2009 9:37:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 4:12:29 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
Homer is believed to have been a blind Greek poet.

This made me laugh so hard XD

Vi has a point. Homer was *blind*. Making generalized assumptions about the eyesight of the Greeks based on the stories of a blind man seems a little far-fetched.
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