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10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Inertia and Energy.
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Newtonian conception of *inertia* says nothing about energy.
The idea * Inertia & Energy * was solved by Einstein.
In 1905 Einstein wrote paper:
" Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"
As he realized the answer was:
" Yes, the inertia depends on its energy E= Mc^2."
It means, that the inertia (constant speed of photon) depends on E=Mc^2.
==="
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10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.
Newtonian conception of *inertia* says nothing about energy.
The idea * Inertia & Energy * was solved by Einstein.
In 1905 Einstein wrote paper:
" Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"
As he realized the answer was:
" Yes, the inertia depends on its energy E= Mc^2."
It means, that the inertia (constant speed of photon) depends on E=Mc^2.
==="
Israel Socratus

Woah, since when does inertia have to do with the speed of a photon? Inertia is simply a mass's resistance to changes in its motion, and is dependent on its mass.

E = mc^2 simply states that even small masses at rest can have a high amount of energy (the equation is divided by a number less than 1 that decreases to 0 as the speed of the object increases).

Why do you post all of this crap?
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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10/21/2013 7:28:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.
Newtonian conception of *inertia* says nothing about energy.
The idea * Inertia & Energy * was solved by Einstein.
In 1905 Einstein wrote paper:
" Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"
As he realized the answer was:
" Yes, the inertia depends on its energy E= Mc^2."
It means, that the inertia (constant speed of photon) depends on E=Mc^2.
==="
Israel Socratus

Woah, since when does inertia have to do with the speed of a photon? Inertia is simply a mass's resistance to changes in its motion, and is dependent on its mass.

E = mc^2 simply states that even small masses at rest can have a high amount of energy (the equation is divided by a number less than 1 that decreases to 0 as the speed of the object increases).

Why do you post all of this crap?

Woah, since when does inertia have to do with the speed of a photon?
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In 1905 Einstein wrote paper:
" Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"
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10/21/2013 9:21:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/21/2013 7:34:17 AM, drafterman wrote:
I think he's confusing inertia and momentum.

Was Einstein confusing?
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10/21/2013 9:43:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/21/2013 7:28:44 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.
Newtonian conception of *inertia* says nothing about energy.
The idea * Inertia & Energy * was solved by Einstein.
In 1905 Einstein wrote paper:
" Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"
As he realized the answer was:
" Yes, the inertia depends on its energy E= Mc^2."
It means, that the inertia (constant speed of photon) depends on E=Mc^2.
==="
Israel Socratus

Woah, since when does inertia have to do with the speed of a photon? Inertia is simply a mass's resistance to changes in its motion, and is dependent on its mass.

E = mc^2 simply states that even small masses at rest can have a high amount of energy (the equation is divided by a number less than 1 that decreases to 0 as the speed of the object increases).

Why do you post all of this crap?

Woah, since when does inertia have to do with the speed of a photon?
/ Subutai /
Since 1905
In 1905 Einstein wrote paper:
" Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"
====

I'm aware of the relationship between mass (the property of inertia) and energy. But the photon has no mass, and therefore has no inertia.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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10/21/2013 9:54:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/21/2013 9:21:24 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 7:34:17 AM, drafterman wrote:
I think he's confusing inertia and momentum.

Was Einstein confusing?

Was Einstein talking about photons?
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10/21/2013 5:26:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/21/2013 9:43:19 AM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 7:28:44 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.

I'm aware of the relationship between mass (the property of inertia) and energy.
But the photon has no mass, and therefore has no inertia.
/ Subutai /
===.
A New Limit on Photon Mass.
http://www.aip.org...

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10/21/2013 5:30:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/21/2013 5:26:02 PM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 9:43:19 AM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 7:28:44 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.

I'm aware of the relationship between mass (the property of inertia) and energy.
But the photon has no mass, and therefore has no inertia.
/ Subutai /
===.
A New Limit on Photon Mass.
http://www.aip.org...

=

Your article says that the mass of an electron is less than 10^-51 grams, which is essentially zero (even on the subatomic scale, that is ridiculously small). Theoretically, Special Relativity says that a particle moving at the speed of light has no mass.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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10/21/2013 9:35:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/21/2013 5:30:45 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 5:26:02 PM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 9:43:19 AM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 7:28:44 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.

I'm aware of the relationship between mass (the property of inertia) and energy.
But the photon has no mass, and therefore has no inertia.
/ Subutai /
===.
A New Limit on Photon Mass.
http://www.aip.org...

=

Your article says that the mass of an electron is less than 10^-51 grams,
which is essentially zero (even on the subatomic scale, that is ridiculously small).
Theoretically, Special Relativity says that a particle moving at the speed of light
has no mass.
============================.
This *zero mass* didn't come from an experiment or a physical law.
It is only physicists an invention. The situation is quite the opposite:
Russian physicist Pyotr Lebedev was the first to measure the
pressure of light on a solid body in 1899.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
A zero- mass particle (quantum of light) cannot make pressure on
a solid body, only mass- photon can make pressure.
====.
The secret of God and Existence is hidden
in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
Subutai
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10/21/2013 10:08:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/21/2013 9:35:29 PM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 5:30:45 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 5:26:02 PM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 9:43:19 AM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 7:28:44 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.

I'm aware of the relationship between mass (the property of inertia) and energy.
But the photon has no mass, and therefore has no inertia.
/ Subutai /
===.
A New Limit on Photon Mass.
http://www.aip.org...

=

Your article says that the mass of an electron is less than 10^-51 grams,
which is essentially zero (even on the subatomic scale, that is ridiculously small).
Theoretically, Special Relativity says that a particle moving at the speed of light
has no mass.
============================.
This *zero mass* didn't come from an experiment or a physical law.
It is only physicists an invention. The situation is quite the opposite:
Russian physicist Pyotr Lebedev was the first to measure the
pressure of light on a solid body in 1899.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
A zero- mass particle (quantum of light) cannot make pressure on
a solid body, only mass- photon can make pressure.
====.

You're assuming that only particles with a mass can apply a pressure. Pressure is the force per unit time and the force is the change in momentum per unit time. Light has a momentum related by E=pc. The momentum (and therefore the energy) only depends on the frequency of the light. Therefore, a photon has a momentum that changes once it hits an object. Therefore, the particle exerts a net force on the object. And finally, therefore, it exerts a pressure on the object.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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10/22/2013 8:33:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/21/2013 10:08:15 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 9:35:29 PM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 5:30:45 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 5:26:02 PM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 9:43:19 AM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 7:28:44 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.

I'm aware of the relationship between mass (the property of inertia) and energy.
But the photon has no mass, and therefore has no inertia.
/ Subutai /
===.
A New Limit on Photon Mass.
http://www.aip.org...

=

Your article says that the mass of an electron is less than 10^-51 grams,
which is essentially zero (even on the subatomic scale, that is ridiculously small).
Theoretically, Special Relativity says that a particle moving at the speed of light
has no mass.
============================.
This *zero mass* didn't come from an experiment or a physical law.
It is only physicists an invention. The situation is quite the opposite:
Russian physicist Pyotr Lebedev was the first to measure the
pressure of light on a solid body in 1899.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
A zero- mass particle (quantum of light) cannot make pressure on
a solid body, only mass- photon can make pressure.
====.

You're assuming that only particles with a mass can apply a pressure. Pressure is the force per unit time and the force is the change in momentum per unit time. Light has a momentum related by E=pc. The momentum (and therefore the energy) only depends on the frequency of the light. Therefore, a photon has a momentum that changes once it hits an object. Therefore, the particle exerts a net force on the object. And finally, therefore, it exerts a pressure on the object.
===================================================.

Planck"s Law: E = hf
Einstein"s Law: E = mc^2
#
Louis de Broglie looked at Einstein"s first equation relating mass and energy.
Then he looked at Planck's equation, relating energy and frequency . . . . . . .
After thinking for a while, de Broglie said to himself,
"If mass is related to energy, and energy is related to frequency, then mass
must be related to frequency!" That's really a very logical argument.
It's like saying "If I'm related to my brother, and my brother is related
to my sister, then I must be related to my sister."
Lesson Summary.
At first electrons were thought to behave only as particles; de Broglie stated
that all matter has wave properties and used Einstein's E = mc2 formula and
the formula E = hf to derive the formula: _5; = h/(mv) to describe the
wavelength _5; of an object with mass m traveling at speed v.
http://en.wikibooks.org...
#
When de Broglie combined these equations, it becomes plausible
that waves of a given minimum frequency also have a certain
minimum energy, and this can be identified as a mass.
This means that we have a packet of wave- energy and
it corresponds to a certain amount of mass.
==..
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in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
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10/22/2013 9:39:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/22/2013 8:33:12 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 10:08:15 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 9:35:29 PM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 5:30:45 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 5:26:02 PM, socratus wrote:
At 10/21/2013 9:43:19 AM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/21/2013 7:28:44 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/19/2013 11:12:10 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/18/2013 7:31:49 PM, socratus wrote:
Inertia and Energy.
=.

I'm aware of the relationship between mass (the property of inertia) and energy.
But the photon has no mass, and therefore has no inertia.
/ Subutai /
===.
A New Limit on Photon Mass.
http://www.aip.org...

=

Your article says that the mass of an electron is less than 10^-51 grams,
which is essentially zero (even on the subatomic scale, that is ridiculously small).
Theoretically, Special Relativity says that a particle moving at the speed of light
has no mass.
============================.
This *zero mass* didn't come from an experiment or a physical law.
It is only physicists an invention. The situation is quite the opposite:
Russian physicist Pyotr Lebedev was the first to measure the
pressure of light on a solid body in 1899.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
A zero- mass particle (quantum of light) cannot make pressure on
a solid body, only mass- photon can make pressure.
====.

You're assuming that only particles with a mass can apply a pressure. Pressure is the force per unit time and the force is the change in momentum per unit time. Light has a momentum related by E=pc. The momentum (and therefore the energy) only depends on the frequency of the light. Therefore, a photon has a momentum that changes once it hits an object. Therefore, the particle exerts a net force on the object. And finally, therefore, it exerts a pressure on the object.
===================================================.

Planck"s Law: E = hf
Einstein"s Law: E = mc^2
#
Louis de Broglie looked at Einstein"s first equation relating mass and energy.
Then he looked at Planck's equation, relating energy and frequency . . . . . . .
After thinking for a while, de Broglie said to himself,
"If mass is related to energy, and energy is related to frequency, then mass
must be related to frequency!" That's really a very logical argument.
It's like saying "If I'm related to my brother, and my brother is related
to my sister, then I must be related to my sister."
Lesson Summary.
At first electrons were thought to behave only as particles; de Broglie stated
that all matter has wave properties and used Einstein's E = mc2 formula and
the formula E = hf to derive the formula: _5; = h/(mv) to describe the
wavelength _5; of an object with mass m traveling at speed v.
http://en.wikibooks.org...
#
When de Broglie combined these equations, it becomes plausible
that waves of a given minimum frequency also have a certain
minimum energy, and this can be identified as a mass.
This means that we have a packet of wave- energy and
it corresponds to a certain amount of mass.
==..

E=mc^2 is simply the energy of a particle at rest. There are several ways to write the equation out when a particle is moving, but I will use this one because it fits the context: E=sqrt((mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2). Because a photon is always moving at the speed of light, the latter equation needs to be used. For a photon, the mc^2 term cancels out, and after a little algebra, the familiar E=pc equation comes back, meaning that a particle in motion can still have an energy even when it is massless.

Using the E=hf equation, the same thing comes out. Energy is related to the frequency of the electromagnetic wave and vice versa, but nothing else, including mass. The de Borgile wavelength itself (lambda=h/p) means that the wavelength only depends on the momentum, which a massless particle can still have (p=E/c).

Photons have no mass because gauge bosons (force carriers) do not have mass. But they can still have properties like energy and momentum that are based not on their mass, but on their frequency and wavelength.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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10/22/2013 10:09:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The full equation is
E = sqrt((mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2)

Light has no mass, ergo the equation reduces to E = pc
When you are talking about mass at rest, it has no momentum, so the equation reduces to E = mc^2
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10/22/2013 10:39:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/22/2013 10:09:09 AM, drafterman wrote:
The full equation is
E = sqrt((mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2)

Light has no mass, ergo the equation reduces to E = pc
When you are talking about mass at rest, it has no momentum,
so the equation reduces to E = mc^2
=.
In 1905 Einstein wrote paper:
" Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"
As he realized the answer was:
" Yes, the inertia (!) depends on its energy E= Mc^2."
It means, that the inertia (as a constant speed of photon) depends on E=Mc^2.
==="
Israel Socratus
The secret of God and Existence is hidden
in the ' Theory of Vacuum and Light Quanta' .
Subutai
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10/22/2013 11:07:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/22/2013 10:39:44 AM, socratus wrote:
At 10/22/2013 10:09:09 AM, drafterman wrote:
The full equation is
E = sqrt((mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2)

Light has no mass, ergo the equation reduces to E = pc
When you are talking about mass at rest, it has no momentum,
so the equation reduces to E = mc^2
=.
In 1905 Einstein wrote paper:
" Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"
As he realized the answer was:
" Yes, the inertia (!) depends on its energy E= Mc^2."
It means, that the inertia (as a constant speed of photon) depends on E=Mc^2.
==="
Israel Socratus

You're just ignoring my arguments and are posting the same stuff you've been posting throughout this entire forum. See my most recent post here (post #13).
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.