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ITT: I Prove God Using Science ALONE

Installgentoo
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11/19/2013 4:59:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The Big Bang was an explosion whose power and size dwarfs any explosion produced by any natural means therefore it can be deduced using the scientific method that the Big Bang was supernatural. However it was only a supernatural effect, and effects must have causes according to metaphysical reality in our universe. Therefore, a God caused the Big Bang.
RyuuKyuzo
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11/19/2013 6:20:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Wow! This is a very original argument. A proof for god, drawing from the necessity of a first-cause. Like some kind of "Cause...mological argument".

You should write a paper on it.
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Enji
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11/20/2013 12:06:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 6:20:53 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Wow! This is a very original argument. A proof for god, drawing from the necessity of a first-cause. Like some kind of "Cause...mological argument".

You should write a paper on it.

Lol!
MrVan
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11/20/2013 10:33:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You know, Arthur C. Clarke once said that if we ever came across extraterrestrials, they would either be "apes or angels, but not men".

Let's say that somewhere out in the universe an alien species becomes a Kardashev type III civilization. They've become so technologically advanced that they've managed to become capable of harnessing the power of a galaxy, or even more! Surely, such entities might as well be considered gods to us (assuming they exist, this is all hypothetical- but still plausible!).

Maybe in the very distant future, if we're very VERY lucky, humanity will live as god-like immortals in a post-singularity universe! I know I'm probably not referring to the "gods" you want me to be referring to, but it is possible, at least theoretically, for such entities to exist.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
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11/20/2013 11:13:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 4:59:25 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
The Big Bang was an explosion whose power and size dwarfs any explosion produced by any natural means therefore it can be deduced using the scientific method that the Big Bang was supernatural. However it was only a supernatural effect, and effects must have causes according to metaphysical reality in our universe. Therefore, a God caused the Big Bang.

You do know Fred Hoyle that coined the term "Big Bang" regretted it. The term is confusing as multiple people think it refers to an explosion beyond something humans can produce like an atom bomb or hydrogen bomb. But this so called explosion, is far from what actually happened or should I say what some scientists think happened.

This argument is similar to the Cambrian explosions argument used by creationists. When Cambrian explosion actually refers to the slow 5 to 10 million years of evolution.
Howardofski
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11/23/2013 2:19:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 4:59:25 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
The Big Bang was an explosion whose power and size dwarfs any explosion produced by any natural means therefore it can be deduced using the scientific method that the Big Bang was supernatural. However it was only a supernatural effect, and effects must have causes according to metaphysical reality in our universe. Therefore, a God caused the Big Bang.

1) The Big Bang is pure theory backed by no conclusive evidence.
2) If it did occur, it was part of nature.
3) That effects need causes does not logically require a god to be that cause.
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11/25/2013 10:31:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/23/2013 2:19:57 PM, Howardofski wrote:
At 11/19/2013 4:59:25 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
The Big Bang was an explosion whose power and size dwarfs any explosion produced by any natural means therefore it can be deduced using the scientific method that the Big Bang was supernatural. However it was only a supernatural effect, and effects must have causes according to metaphysical reality in our universe. Therefore, a God caused the Big Bang.

1) The Big Bang is pure theory backed by no conclusive evidence.
2) If it did occur, it was part of nature.
Why that part of nature is not repeating it self?
3) That effects need causes does not logically require a god to be that cause.
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SubjectiveMorality
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11/26/2013 12:40:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 4:59:25 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
The Big Bang was an explosion whose power and size dwarfs any explosion produced by any natural means therefore it can be deduced using the scientific method that the Big Bang was supernatural. However it was only a supernatural effect, and effects must have causes according to metaphysical reality in our universe. Therefore, a God caused the Big Bang.

The Big Bang theory is (cosmology) the theory that the universe originated sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from the cataclysmic explosion of a small volume of matter at extremely high density and temperature. The theory hasn't been proven yet. This hypothesis is almost intrinsically impossible.

"Why would God have to cause the Big Bang, when he could have just created the universe himself?"
TheAmazingAtheist1, at my house

Only very improbably application of laws of physics may have caused matter to agglomerate into one, then violently explode, creating a never-ending Universe.

"If a barrel explodes, its surroundings will fly away but can not go in correct order. Therefore, Big Bang theory is not real"
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11/26/2013 1:53:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 4:59:25 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
The Big Bang was an explosion whose power and size dwarfs any explosion produced by any natural means therefore it can be deduced using the scientific method that the Big Bang was supernatural. However it was only a supernatural effect, and effects must have causes according to metaphysical reality in our universe. Therefore, a God caused the Big Bang.

"It can be deduced using the scientific method that the Big Bang was supernatural"

No it cannot. Also, virtually all scientists disagree with you. The Big Bang wasn't an explosion first of all. Secondly, there are many naturalistic causal explanations of it. Thirdly, who says there even needs to be an "outside" nature for there to even be a supernatural? Also, even if something is supernatural, that doesn't mean it is God.