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 Posts: 7,776 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/4/2010 5:55:52 PMPosted: 7 years agoThis is a paradox of distance, not time, and it's not a paradox either. Time isn't circular.
 Posts: 5,387 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/4/2010 6:01:52 PMPosted: 7 years agoI'm not assuming time to be circular. However, the paradox can apply for a timeline just as well as a distance. It must always take a finite number of years to go from Time A to Time B.
 Posts: 7,776 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/4/2010 7:30:30 PMPosted: 7 years agoAt 1/4/2010 6:01:52 PM, mongeese wrote:I'm not assuming time to be circular. However, the paradox can apply for a timeline just as well as a distance. It must always take a finite number of years to go from Time A to Time B.Except time doesn't go from point to point. Time doesn't have points. Time is abstract.
 Posts: 5,387 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/4/2010 7:48:40 PMPosted: 7 years agoIs time so abstract that a series of changes cannot be said to lead the universe from one definite state to another?
 Posts: 19,297 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/4/2010 10:35:37 PMPosted: 7 years agoYou seem to think infinity is a specific quantity.It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
 Posts: 5,387 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/5/2010 4:45:33 AMPosted: 7 years ago@Kleptin: The point is to show that any two points on a time ray must be a finite distance from each other. Time travel isn't necessary to bring this point accross.@RR: How so?
 Posts: 1,339 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/5/2010 6:43:28 AMPosted: 7 years agoI just started a debate that one could travel a finite distance for an infinite amount of time. If you look at the debate it will be easier to understand what I mean.
 Posts: 12,028 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/5/2010 6:54:10 AMPosted: 7 years agoAt 1/4/2010 6:01:52 PM, mongeese wrote:It must always take a finite number of years to go from Time A to Time B.I think that the theory of relativity disagrees.You can go forward in time on Earth by going away fast and coming back.For example,Earth time at departure: 2009Earth time at return: 3009Time of Travel: 25 years"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already." Metaphysics: "The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
 Posts: 3 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/5/2010 4:40:55 PMPosted: 7 years agoTime does not exist as a separate entity, but is only a part of spacetime. Although it isn't "abstract" plain and simple it does not go from point a to point b but from event a to evnt b.
 Posts: 5,387 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/5/2010 7:26:03 PMPosted: 7 years agoEvent A, Point A, same difference. They're synonymous in the analogy.
 Posts: 5,387 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/5/2010 7:26:20 PMPosted: 7 years agoAt 1/5/2010 6:54:10 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:At 1/4/2010 6:01:52 PM, mongeese wrote:It must always take a finite number of years to go from Time A to Time B.I think that the theory of relativity disagrees.You can go forward in time on Earth by going away fast and coming back.For example,Earth time at departure: 2009Earth time at return: 3009Time of Travel: 25 years25 is a finite number of years.
 Posts: 21,700 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/5/2010 11:02:43 PMPosted: 7 years agoAt 1/5/2010 7:26:03 PM, mongeese wrote:Event A, Point A, same difference. They're synonymous in the analogy.But it will take me a different amount of time to go from Point A to Point B than it takes for you to travel between those same 2 points, even if we're traveling at the same speed (matt is right - the theory of relativity applies).President of DDO
 Posts: 5,387 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/6/2010 7:07:35 PMPosted: 7 years agoAt 1/5/2010 11:02:43 PM, theLwerd wrote:At 1/5/2010 7:26:03 PM, mongeese wrote:Event A, Point A, same difference. They're synonymous in the analogy.But it will take me a different amount of time to go from Point A to Point B than it takes for you to travel between those same 2 points, even if we're traveling at the same speed (matt is right - the theory of relativity applies).The distance, however, is still finite, which is all that the analogy requires.
 Posts: 5,387 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 1/6/2010 7:09:56 PMPosted: 7 years agoAt 1/6/2010 1:34:23 PM, Floid wrote:Well, its probably already been hashed out, but I will give my basic interpretation:I will use classical physics and ignoring relativity since your problem is one of mathematics and not really physical concepts.Say that you and numerous fellow men were marching due north on a completely flat plane at a steady rate of 1mph. You have no clue how long you've been marching, or where you came from. For all you know, you've been marching forever.Well I like worst cases so lets use that. You have been marching forever (an infinite amount of time if you will).Okay, the "for all you know" part was not meant to be taken literally, as it is impossible to have been marching forever. The fact that you could not have been marching forever is established by the fact that you actually got to where you are from a starting point, and there is no reason for this distance to be traversible in one direction, but not the other.