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# "Life" is LESS than 11,460 years old

 Posts: 10 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/23/2013 8:16:15 PMPosted: 4 years agoPremise- all fossils containing any amount of Carbon 14 are LESS than 11460 years old.Contention-radiocarbon dating fossils as currently calculated is incorrect.DefinitionsConstant(N) - something that is invariable or unchanging. example- the speed of light. Newton's first law of motion states any object, including light, that is in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an unstable and/or external force. Therefore taking into account and removing the universal debris, the speed of light will remain constant.Half-life- that amount of time it takes for a quantity of a substance to be reduced by half. Equation X/t=X(.5) Continuation Full-life- that amount of time it takes to reduce said substance completely to zero, or twice the half-life. Equation X/(2t)=0Referenceshttp://www.c14dating.com...http://personal.psu.edu...http://radiocarbon.org...http://i.word.com...I am an Old Universe/Earth-New Life Post Tribulation rapture, Pre-millennial Evangelical Christian
 Posts: 5,466 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/23/2013 8:26:35 PMPosted: 4 years agoYeah, this is mainly why C14 dating isn't used to date fossiles.Various different types of Radiometric isotope are used in dating (never just one), as well as other forms of correlation (such as tree rings and ice cores); all of which give us similar approximate times.This is like having multiple clocks all ticking at different rates, all giving us the same times.If the decay rate has changed in the past, then it has changed in a way that means that all those clocks are changed by different amounts in JUST the right way so as to make all the numbers match up which wouldn't happen if you changed the physical constants of the universe that actually govern radioactive decay.Moreover, even if they did change, it would mean that life as we know it would be impossible.So, basically:a) The earth is billions of years old orb) God has tweaked all the radioactive decays magically to make it look like the earth is billions of years old.
 Posts: 10 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/23/2013 8:57:24 PMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/23/2013 8:26:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:Yeah, this is mainly why C14 dating isn't used to date fossiles.Various different types of Radiometric isotope are used in dating (never just one), as well as other forms of correlation (such as tree rings and ice cores); all of which give us similar approximate times.This is like having multiple clocks all ticking at different rates, all giving us the same times.If the decay rate has changed in the past, then it has changed in a way that means that all those clocks are changed by different amounts in JUST the right way so as to make all the numbers match up which wouldn't happen if you changed the physical constants of the universe that actually govern radioactive decay.Moreover, even if they did change, it would mean that life as we know it would be impossible.So, basically:a) The earth is billions of years old orb) God has tweaked all the radioactive decays magically to make it look like the earth is billions of years old.Every definition of C14 I can find states it is a "constant". Constants do not change. If it takes 5730 years to reduce by half then 11,460 years will reduce C14 to 0!I agree that the Universe is approximately 17 Billion years old and the Earth is approximately 4 Billion years old just that all life is less than 11,460 years old.I am an Old Universe/Earth-New Life Post Tribulation rapture, Pre-millennial Evangelical Christian
 Posts: 687 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/24/2013 3:11:32 AMPosted: 4 years agoBoy, What I'd give to live until 11,460 years old.
 Posts: 5,466 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/24/2013 6:20:04 AMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/23/2013 8:57:24 PM, Sajoe wrote:At 11/23/2013 8:26:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:Yeah, this is mainly why C14 dating isn't used to date fossiles.Various different types of Radiometric isotope are used in dating (never just one), as well as other forms of correlation (such as tree rings and ice cores); all of which give us similar approximate times.This is like having multiple clocks all ticking at different rates, all giving us the same times.If the decay rate has changed in the past, then it has changed in a way that means that all those clocks are changed by different amounts in JUST the right way so as to make all the numbers match up which wouldn't happen if you changed the physical constants of the universe that actually govern radioactive decay.Moreover, even if they did change, it would mean that life as we know it would be impossible.So, basically:a) The earth is billions of years old orb) God has tweaked all the radioactive decays magically to make it look like the earth is billions of years old.Every definition of C14 I can find states it is a "constant". Constants do not change. If it takes 5730 years to reduce by half then 11,460 years will reduce C14 to 0!Im pretty sure that the only definition of c14 dating you have found is in the ladybird book of science. As you have made a massive mistake here.In 11460 years, the c14 content of a sample will be 1/4 of the original, not 0. Half life is the time it takes half the atoms of an isotope currently in a sample to decay.I agree that the Universe is approximately 17 Billion years old and the Earth is approximately 4 Billion years old just that all life is less than 11,460 years old.Fail on two major counts. 1, your misunderstanding of c14, and the fact that there are other ways to date life longer than you suggest.
 Posts: 155 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/24/2013 7:11:52 AMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/24/2013 6:20:04 AM, Ramshutu wrote:At 11/23/2013 8:57:24 PM, Sajoe wrote:Every definition of C14 I can find states it is a "constant". Constants do not change. If it takes 5730 years to reduce by half then 11,460 years will reduce C14 to 0!Im pretty sure that the only definition of c14 dating you have found is in the ladybird book of science. As you have made a massive mistake here.In 11460 years, the c14 content of a sample will be 1/4 of the original, not 0. Half life is the time it takes half the atoms of an isotope currently in a sample to decay.^^This. Thank you.I could literally not believe my eyes when I read Sajoe's argument. Could not. The physical chemist in me needs an aspirin and a lie-down.Everything is up for questioning. If it won't defend itself, then how do we know it can?
 Posts: 3,749 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/24/2013 9:20:10 AMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/23/2013 8:16:15 PM, Sajoe wrote:Premise- all fossils containing any amount of Carbon 14 are LESS than 11460 years old.Contention-radiocarbon dating fossils as currently calculated is incorrect.DefinitionsConstant(N) - something that is invariable or unchanging. example- the speed of light. Newton's first law of motion states any object, including light, that is in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an unstable and/or external force. Therefore taking into account and removing the universal debris, the speed of light will remain constant.Half-life- that amount of time it takes for a quantity of a substance to be reduced by half. Equation X/t=X(.5) Continuation Full-life- that amount of time it takes to reduce said substance completely to zero, or twice the half-life. Equation X/(2t)=0Referenceshttp://www.c14dating.com...http://personal.psu.edu...http://radiocarbon.org...http://i.word.com...Oh pulease, that's not what half life means, it reduces to a half after 5,730 years, and another half of that after another 5,730 years, after 11,460 years a quarter of the Carbon 14 remains. carbon Dating can be used to estimate the age of carbon materials up to 60,000 years old, when it's older than that other dating methods are used."It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
 Posts: 10 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/24/2013 10:42:45 AMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/24/2013 9:20:10 AM, Sidewalker wrote:At 11/23/2013 8:16:15 PM, Sajoe wrote:Premise- all fossils containing any amount of Carbon 14 are LESS than 11460 years old.Contention-radiocarbon dating fossils as currently calculated is incorrect.DefinitionsConstant(N) - something that is invariable or unchanging. example- the speed of light. Newton's first law of motion states any object, including light, that is in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an unstable and/or external force. Therefore taking into account and removing the universal debris, the speed of light will remain constant.Half-life- that amount of time it takes for a quantity of a substance to be reduced by half. Equation X/t=X(.5) Continuation Full-life- that amount of time it takes to reduce said substance completely to zero, or twice the half-life. Equation X/(2t)=0Referenceshttp://www.c14dating.com...http://personal.psu.edu...http://radiocarbon.org...http://i.word.com...Oh pulease, that's not what half life means, it reduces to a half after 5,730 years, and another half of that after another 5,730 years, after 11,460 years a quarter of the Carbon 14 remains. carbon Dating can be used to estimate the age of carbon materials up to 60,000 years old, when it's older than that other dating methods are used.The reason C14 is used is because it is SPECIFIC to living organisms! Using any other radioactive material is not nearly as reliable as there is the possibility of transfer making the measurements less accurate, not more accurate.I am an Old Universe/Earth-New Life Post Tribulation rapture, Pre-millennial Evangelical Christian
 Posts: 10 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/24/2013 10:55:06 AMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/24/2013 6:20:04 AM, Ramshutu wrote:At 11/23/2013 8:57:24 PM, Sajoe wrote:At 11/23/2013 8:26:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:Yeah, this is mainly why C14 dating isn't used to date fossiles.Various different types of Radiometric isotope are used in dating (never just one), as well as other forms of correlation (such as tree rings and ice cores); all of which give us similar approximate times.This is like having multiple clocks all ticking at different rates, all giving us the same times.If the decay rate has changed in the past, then it has changed in a way that means that all those clocks are changed by different amounts in JUST the right way so as to make all the numbers match up which wouldn't happen if you changed the physical constants of the universe that actually govern radioactive decay.Moreover, even if they did change, it would mean that life as we know it would be impossible.So, basically:a) The earth is billions of years old orb) God has tweaked all the radioactive decays magically to make it look like the earth is billions of years old.Every definition of C14 I can find states it is a "constant". Constants do not change. If it takes 5730 years to reduce by half then 11,460 years will reduce C14 to 0!Im pretty sure that the only definition of c14 dating you have found is in the ladybird book of science. As you have made a massive mistake here.In 11460 years, the c14 content of a sample will be 1/4 of the original, not 0. Half life is the time it takes half the atoms of an isotope currently in a sample to decay.I agree that the Universe is approximately 17 Billion years old and the Earth is approximately 4 Billion years old just that all life is less than 11,460 years old.Fail on two major counts. 1, your misunderstanding of c14, and the fact that there are other ways to date life longer than you suggest.Except that it is your misunderstanding of the life cycle of C14. EVERY time you reset and restart the decay clock you are breaking the Laws of Physics and arbitrarily changing a constant! The sample IS NOT NEW every time it is halfed! Therefore the original start time MUST be used and that is when the organism dies!The illogic that EVERY half WILL be NEW and therefore take 5730 years to decay is astounding!Once the organism dies, the ENTIRE amount of C14 begins to decay AT THE SAME RATE. It does not matter how many times one cuts it in half, each and every half, quater, eighth etc,is ALL, STILL, part of the original sample!Organism A dies the CONSTANT decay rate clock starts and the equation is A/5730=A(.5)Then you change sample A to a NEW sample B: B/5730=B(.5). As a scientist you KNOW samples A and B are not the same. A is NOT B. Correct? Where did sample B come from? Did sample B come from organism A? NO, it did not! Sample B is NEW! The sample A from organism A is now useless because the entire sample is now 5730 years old from the time organism A died. Since logically sample B is not from organism A, just what is it that is being measured? A/5730=B(.5), B/5730=C(.5), C/5730=D(.5), D/5730=E(.5)That is NOT mathematically OR logically sound!One cannot substitute A because of the CONSTANT. Sample A MUST remain IN the equation until it is 0. Once sample A from organism A is zero, THEN you can switch to sample B, presumably from organism B!A/t=A(.5) A/(2t)=0A/5730=A(.5) A/(2(5730))=0Therefore ANY amount of C14 found in a sample fossil means that fossil is LESS THAN 11,460 years from the time it died. The "oldest" fossils all still contain trace amounts of C14 making the time it lived LESS THAN 11,460 years ago!"Life" is less than 11,460 years old.I am an Old Universe/Earth-New Life Post Tribulation rapture, Pre-millennial Evangelical Christian
 Posts: 10 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/24/2013 11:25:10 AMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/24/2013 10:42:45 AM, Sajoe wrote:At 11/24/2013 9:20:10 AM, Sidewalker wrote:At 11/23/2013 8:16:15 PM, Sajoe wrote:Premise- all fossils containing any amount of Carbon 14 are LESS than 11460 years old.Contention-radiocarbon dating fossils as currently calculated is incorrect.DefinitionsConstant(N) - something that is invariable or unchanging. example- the speed of light. Newton's first law of motion states any object, including light, that is in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an unstable and/or external force. Therefore taking into account and removing the universal debris, the speed of light will remain constant.Half-life- that amount of time it takes for a quantity of a substance to be reduced by half. Equation X/t=X(.5) Continuation Full-life- that amount of time it takes to reduce said substance completely to zero, or twice the half-life. Equation X/(2t)=0Referenceshttp://www.c14dating.com...http://personal.psu.edu...http://radiocarbon.org...http://i.word.com...Oh pulease, that's not what half life means, it reduces to a half after 5,730 years, and another half of that after another 5,730 years, after 11,460 years a quarter of the Carbon 14 remains. carbon Dating can be used to estimate the age of carbon materials up to 60,000 years old, when it's older than that other dating methods are used.The reason C14 is used is because it is SPECIFIC to living organisms! Using any other radioactive material is not nearly as reliable as there is the possibility of transfer making the measurements less accurate, not more accurate.and YES. That is exactly what "Half Life" means! That amount of time it takes for a substance to be reduced by half!I am an Old Universe/Earth-New Life Post Tribulation rapture, Pre-millennial Evangelical Christian
 Posts: 5,200 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/24/2013 2:41:24 PMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/23/2013 8:16:15 PM, Sajoe wrote:Premise- all fossils containing any amount of Carbon 14 are LESS than 11460 years old.Contention-radiocarbon dating fossils as currently calculated is incorrect.DefinitionsConstant(N) - something that is invariable or unchanging. example- the speed of light. Newton's first law of motion states any object, including light, that is in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an unstable and/or external force. Therefore taking into account and removing the universal debris, the speed of light will remain constant.Half-life- that amount of time it takes for a quantity of a substance to be reduced by half. Equation X/t=X(.5) Continuation Full-life- that amount of time it takes to reduce said substance completely to zero, or twice the half-life. Equation X/(2t)=0Referenceshttp://www.c14dating.com...http://personal.psu.edu...http://radiocarbon.org...http://i.word.com...Silly silly boy.Do you even read the materials you post? One of which says at about 50,000 to 60,000 years there is so little C14 left that carbon dating is virtually impossible.PS. you can't just take the 1/2 life twice to equal a zero sample. It is just sad that you so desperately want something to be true that you just make stuff up.