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1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Helo, yu hav ben deceivvd. Vacinaton it patr of evi plan of depoplate.

Vacccins hav:

Potssium Choride-Use in fatl injetion
Dihdrogn Monoxid-Caus excesive urinate
Thimrosal-Nuroinjecton

Despit the fac that in amont that the chemicos are use in vacine they ar not toxic, logick and truth ar for evil comunits libral.

Ignor actual, scientifi concpts as wel as tested, confirm fact in toxoclogy lik "risk" "amont neded for risk" and "amont in vacine compar to amont neded for risk". Truth an logick are deception!

WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.
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1/18/2014 11:52:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM, jh1234l wrote:
Helo, yu hav ben deceivvd. Vacinaton it patr of evi plan of depoplate.

Vacccins hav:

Potssium Choride-Use in fatl injetion
Dihdrogn Monoxid-Caus excesive urinate
Thimrosal-Nuroinjecton

Despit the fac that in amont that the chemicos are use in vacine they ar not toxic, logick and truth ar for evil comunits libral.

Ignor actual, scientifi concpts as wel as tested, confirm fact in toxoclogy lik "risk" "amont neded for risk" and "amont in vacine compar to amont neded for risk". Truth an logick are deception!

WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.
Despite the obvious trolling part, most all vaccines actually are only harmful. And even at that the extent of damage varies from severe to almost none, as well depending on the potency of the poison.
Only harmful because the alternative that actually does work against and for preventing almost all illnesses and diseases is simply eating right, and living right.

If you want protection from diseases the very first thing you must do is enable your body strong enough to fight back the initial attack, later the body will be familiar and resistant to the disease. To do that the body must have all the necessary nutrients and no toxic substances modern "normal" diet is full of, the diet most "experts" tell you to have.
Some fevers, coughs, and such some people tend to have each year are natural cleansing processes of the body, taking drugs during those is harmful, the body must "fight them off" on its own strength as it should be able to. Again eat right; how's the body supposed to do what it is evolved to do if it's loaded with crap food that weakens you and keeps you weak?

The "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS" is the correct reaction, and should listen to it and not eat that crap. Those chemicals are harmful to us, it might kill the "virus" that does its supposed job cleaning the body (probably not all viruses), but it also damages the inflicted at the same time. So, a person who takes a pill has the body dealing with the illness and the "damage" done by it and on top of that the damage done by the drug as well.

Honestly, if these illnesses and diseases are so very very lethal, then how can we even exist right now? I mean, humans, thousands of years ago had no drugs we have today; they lived in huts, they hunted, gathered food, perhaps very small scale farming of animals and plants. How come they didn't die in such conditions. And the first drugs came out what 200-300 years ago?
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1/19/2014 12:32:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/18/2014 11:52:48 PM, nummi wrote:
At 1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM, jh1234l wrote:
Helo, yu hav ben deceivvd. Vacinaton it patr of evi plan of depoplate.

Vacccins hav:

Potssium Choride-Use in fatl injetion
Dihdrogn Monoxid-Caus excesive urinate
Thimrosal-Nuroinjecton

Despit the fac that in amont that the chemicos are use in vacine they ar not toxic, logick and truth ar for evil comunits libral.

Ignor actual, scientifi concpts as wel as tested, confirm fact in toxoclogy lik "risk" "amont neded for risk" and "amont in vacine compar to amont neded for risk". Truth an logick are deception!

WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.
Despite the obvious trolling part, most all vaccines actually are only harmful. And even at that the extent of damage varies from severe to almost none, as well depending on the potency of the poison.
Only harmful because the alternative that actually does work against and for preventing almost all illnesses and diseases is simply eating right, and living right.

If you want protection from diseases the very first thing you must do is enable your body strong enough to fight back the initial attack, later the body will be familiar and resistant to the disease. To do that the body must have all the necessary nutrients and no toxic substances modern "normal" diet is full of, the diet most "experts" tell you to have.

Sure, eating healthy and reducing the crap in your body can strengthen your immune system, but this does not make you resistant to disease. This is the purpose of vaccinations.

Some fevers, coughs, and such some people tend to have each year are natural cleansing processes of the body, taking drugs during those is harmful, the body must "fight them off" on its own strength as it should be able to. Again eat right; how's the body supposed to do what it is evolved to do if it's loaded with crap food that weakens you and keeps you weak?

The "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS" is the correct reaction, and should listen to it and not eat that crap. Those chemicals are harmful to us, it might kill the "virus" that does its supposed job cleaning the body (probably not all viruses), but it also damages the inflicted at the same time. So, a person who takes a pill has the body dealing with the illness and the "damage" done by it and on top of that the damage done by the drug as well.

Is this your subjective belief, or can you provide evidence backed by experts in the field?

Honestly, if these illnesses and diseases are so very very lethal, then how can we even exist right now? I mean, humans, thousands of years ago had no drugs we have today; they lived in huts, they hunted, gathered food, perhaps very small scale farming of animals and plants. How come they didn't die in such conditions. And the first drugs came out what 200-300 years ago?

The human population was much smaller thousands of years ago, and even hundreds of years ago. Technology and modern medicine are, no doubt, to blame. Embrace it.
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1/19/2014 12:37:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM, jh1234l wrote:
WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.

I was about to post how this disclaimer really wasn't needed, but then along came nummi.
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1/19/2014 12:43:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 12:32:10 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/18/2014 11:52:48 PM, nummi wrote:
At 1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM, jh1234l wrote:
Helo, yu hav ben deceivvd. Vacinaton it patr of evi plan of depoplate.

Vacccins hav:

Potssium Choride-Use in fatl injetion
Dihdrogn Monoxid-Caus excesive urinate
Thimrosal-Nuroinjecton

Despit the fac that in amont that the chemicos are use in vacine they ar not toxic, logick and truth ar for evil comunits libral.

Ignor actual, scientifi concpts as wel as tested, confirm fact in toxoclogy lik "risk" "amont neded for risk" and "amont in vacine compar to amont neded for risk". Truth an logick are deception!

WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.
Despite the obvious trolling part, most all vaccines actually are only harmful. And even at that the extent of damage varies from severe to almost none, as well depending on the potency of the poison.
Only harmful because the alternative that actually does work against and for preventing almost all illnesses and diseases is simply eating right, and living right.

If you want protection from diseases the very first thing you must do is enable your body strong enough to fight back the initial attack, later the body will be familiar and resistant to the disease. To do that the body must have all the necessary nutrients and no toxic substances modern "normal" diet is full of, the diet most "experts" tell you to have.

Sure, eating healthy and reducing the crap in your body can strengthen your immune system, but this does not make you resistant to disease. This is the purpose of vaccinations.
What diseases exactly? All I know is that about 90-95 percent of all modern health problems are preventable by simply having a right diet (and as well lifestyle). That includes most all viral ones.
Some fevers, coughs, and such some people tend to have each year are natural cleansing processes of the body, taking drugs during those is harmful, the body must "fight them off" on its own strength as it should be able to. Again eat right; how's the body supposed to do what it is evolved to do if it's loaded with crap food that weakens you and keeps you weak?

The "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS" is the correct reaction, and should listen to it and not eat that crap. Those chemicals are harmful to us, it might kill the "virus" that does its supposed job cleaning the body (probably not all viruses), but it also damages the inflicted at the same time. So, a person who takes a pill has the body dealing with the illness and the "damage" done by it and on top of that the damage done by the drug as well.
Is this your subjective belief, or can you provide evidence backed by experts in the field?
It is objective logic, as well concluded from articles and personal accounts I've read. Not interested in digging them all out, it'd take too long.
Honestly, if these illnesses and diseases are so very very lethal, then how can we even exist right now? I mean, humans, thousands of years ago had no drugs we have today; they lived in huts, they hunted, gathered food, perhaps very small scale farming of animals and plants. How come they didn't die in such conditions. And the first drugs came out what 200-300 years ago?
The human population was much smaller thousands of years ago, and even hundreds of years ago. Technology and modern medicine are, no doubt, to blame. Embrace it.
Embrace modern "medicine" and drugs if I can instead eat right and have most health problems prevented far better than the drugs themselves could ever manage? No thanks.
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1/19/2014 1:04:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 12:43:31 AM, nummi wrote:
At 1/19/2014 12:32:10 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/18/2014 11:52:48 PM, nummi wrote:
At 1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM, jh1234l wrote:
Helo, yu hav ben deceivvd. Vacinaton it patr of evi plan of depoplate.

Vacccins hav:

Potssium Choride-Use in fatl injetion
Dihdrogn Monoxid-Caus excesive urinate
Thimrosal-Nuroinjecton

Despit the fac that in amont that the chemicos are use in vacine they ar not toxic, logick and truth ar for evil comunits libral.

Ignor actual, scientifi concpts as wel as tested, confirm fact in toxoclogy lik "risk" "amont neded for risk" and "amont in vacine compar to amont neded for risk". Truth an logick are deception!

WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.
Despite the obvious trolling part, most all vaccines actually are only harmful. And even at that the extent of damage varies from severe to almost none, as well depending on the potency of the poison.
Only harmful because the alternative that actually does work against and for preventing almost all illnesses and diseases is simply eating right, and living right.

If you want protection from diseases the very first thing you must do is enable your body strong enough to fight back the initial attack, later the body will be familiar and resistant to the disease. To do that the body must have all the necessary nutrients and no toxic substances modern "normal" diet is full of, the diet most "experts" tell you to have.

Sure, eating healthy and reducing the crap in your body can strengthen your immune system, but this does not make you resistant to disease. This is the purpose of vaccinations.
What diseases exactly? All I know is that about 90-95 percent of all modern health problems are preventable by simply having a right diet (and as well lifestyle). That includes most all viral ones.

Really!? Do you think you could fight off Polio, smallpox, or Diphtheria? These diseases will not stay gone if people keep making excuses such as the ones you're making. Don't take my word for it, talk to a doctor.

Some fevers, coughs, and such some people tend to have each year are natural cleansing processes of the body, taking drugs during those is harmful, the body must "fight them off" on its own strength as it should be able to. Again eat right; how's the body supposed to do what it is evolved to do if it's loaded with crap food that weakens you and keeps you weak?

The "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS" is the correct reaction, and should listen to it and not eat that crap. Those chemicals are harmful to us, it might kill the "virus" that does its supposed job cleaning the body (probably not all viruses), but it also damages the inflicted at the same time. So, a person who takes a pill has the body dealing with the illness and the "damage" done by it and on top of that the damage done by the drug as well.
Is this your subjective belief, or can you provide evidence backed by experts in the field?
It is objective logic, as well concluded from articles and personal accounts I've read.
Not interested in digging them all out, it'd take too long.

Talk to a doctor, and tell them the same reasons you mentioned earlier. If you're a patient they will be nicer in their answer. They will tell you some vaccines may benefit you more than others (on a particular affliction), but they will not tell you to avoid them at all cost. If you're not a patient, be careful broaching this subject while telling him/her best medical practices.

Honestly, if these illnesses and diseases are so very very lethal, then how can we even exist right now? I mean, humans, thousands of years ago had no drugs we have today; they lived in huts, they hunted, gathered food, perhaps very small scale farming of animals and plants. How come they didn't die in such conditions. And the first drugs came out what 200-300 years ago?
The human population was much smaller thousands of years ago, and even hundreds of years ago. Technology and modern medicine are, no doubt, to blame. Embrace it.
Embrace modern "medicine" and drugs if I can instead eat right and have most health problems prevented far better than the drugs themselves could ever manage? No thanks.

It is not an 'either-or' situation. This, like so many other issues, is not a black and white issue. Modern medicine and taking care of yourself is the best of both worlds.
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1/19/2014 1:48:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
What diseases exactly? All I know is that about 90-95 percent of all modern health problems are preventable by simply having a right diet (and as well lifestyle). That includes most all viral ones.
Really!? Do you think you could fight off Polio, smallpox, or Diphtheria? These diseases will not stay gone if people keep making excuses such as the ones you're making. Don't take my word for it, talk to a doctor.
If a person ate right in the first place then the person would never even get those "diseases", and if did then drugs would most certainly (I'm almost 100% certain) not be needed to "fight them off".
Have those diseases been tested against a right diet (that'd be no processed foods, no industrialized crap, and high in animal)? They have not. So, they base their "expert" claims on what exactly? On "evidence" that's based on merely a part of the whole spectrum?

I'm not making excuses. Unlike you I am far more aware how things really are with humanity; those doctors base their knowledge on that partial evidence and inconclusive summations.
Reality's calling, time you heard it.

Not interested in digging them all out, it'd take too long.
Talk to a doctor, and tell them the same reasons you mentioned earlier. If you're a patient they will be nicer in their answer. They will tell you some vaccines may benefit you more than others (on a particular affliction), but they will not tell you to avoid them at all cost. If you're not a patient, be careful broaching this subject while telling him/her best medical practices.
They won't tell anyone to avoid them because if they did they'd lose their job. Because that advice would be against what goes for health in presence of partial, even biased, evidence their knowledge is based on.
They also won't tell because even they do not know that vaccines are in general very bad.
They do not even know what a correct diet is.
They do their "job", not realizing it is supposed to be about helping people.
In it for the $$$.
Not all but most are at least one of these.

So, in their almost as good as absolute ignorance when it comes to true human health, they advise to take literal poisons and do things that in reality make people just sicker. Their knowledge is based on partial studies, studies that are made not with people whose health is good via having a right diet and still have some health issues. Their knowledge is based on people that are sick because they eat wrong, and instead of fixing the diet they shovel drugs and stupid advice at them - all which keeps or makes them sicker yet. (Again, not all, but most.)

Doctors themselves, in general, do not know or are greedy or do not care, etc.
As well it's about the $$$. How many rely on drugs and doctors to fix them? Most of humanity. Are they truly getting better? No. Is humanity getting ever sicker? Yes. Is food ever more processed? Yes. What passes as cure in medical world? Poisons and unhealthy methods. What is needed for those? $$$. Where does $$$ end up? In the pockets of the owners and leaders of corporations. This is nice and all but the most important - why do people believe them? Shouldn't people already on their own be aware enough, and only seek help from doctors if the issue cannot be treated via diet? Oh right, people don't even know what their bodies, over millions of years, have evolved to use. Why don't they know that?
In contrast, if diet did fix (almost) everything, and actual science, not lies and partial evidence, said so, then who would possibly object? And what would that do to the above example of questions and answers? Would be very different wouldn't it?

Embrace modern "medicine" and drugs if I can instead eat right and have most health problems prevented far better than the drugs themselves could ever manage? No thanks.
It is not an 'either-or' situation. This, like so many other issues, is not a black and white issue. Modern medicine and taking care of yourself is the best of both worlds.
Never said it is black and white. Reread what I wrote previously if you think I did.
Present modern medicine is the worst option. It is founded on ignorance, lies, $$$, I'll throw large-scale human experiments to this list (all the drugs ever made, not a single one has conclusive evidence showing how it truly affects recipients (not to mention the so-called side-effects) and they are suggested and sold to people as "safe").
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1/19/2014 9:23:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/18/2014 11:52:48 PM, nummi wrote:
At 1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM, jh1234l wrote:
Helo, yu hav ben deceivvd. Vacinaton it patr of evi plan of depoplate.

Vacccins hav:

Potssium Choride-Use in fatl injetion
Dihdrogn Monoxid-Caus excesive urinate
Thimrosal-Nuroinjecton

Despit the fac that in amont that the chemicos are use in vacine they ar not toxic, logick and truth ar for evil comunits libral.

Ignor actual, scientifi concpts as wel as tested, confirm fact in toxoclogy lik "risk" "amont neded for risk" and "amont in vacine compar to amont neded for risk". Truth an logick are deception!

WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.
Despite the obvious trolling part, most all vaccines actually are only harmful. And even at that the extent of damage varies from severe to almost none, as well depending on the potency of the poison.

This is a baseless assertion supported by no scientists anywhere. The only reason people believe this is because of a select few uneducated celebrities endorsing this pseudo scientific idea.

Only harmful because the alternative that actually does work against and for preventing almost all illnesses and diseases is simply eating right, and living right.

Uh yea... No. While eating and living well does provide the body with excellent defensive capabilities, it does not provide protection against the major vaccinated illnesses in the slightest. That is why we get vaccinated for them.

If you want protection from diseases the very first thing you must do is enable your body strong enough to fight back the initial attack, later the body will be familiar and resistant to the disease. To do that the body must have all the necessary nutrients and no toxic substances modern "normal" diet is full of, the diet most "experts" tell you to have.
Some fevers, coughs, and such some people tend to have each year are natural cleansing processes of the body, taking drugs during those is harmful, the body must "fight them off" on its own strength as it should be able to.

Which is why we don't vaccinate against "fevers, coughs and such". We vaccinate against diseases that have a constant ability to overpower and kill the person infected.

Again eat right; how's the body supposed to do what it is evolved to do if it's loaded with crap food that weakens you and keeps you weak?

The "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS" is the correct reaction, and should listen to it and not eat that crap. Those chemicals are harmful to us, it might kill the "virus" that does its supposed job cleaning the body (probably not all viruses), but it also damages the inflicted at the same time.

According to who? This has no scientific support.

So, a person who takes a pill has the body dealing with the illness and the "damage" done by it and on top of that the damage done by the drug as well.

"Quick fix" pills have nothing to do with vaccines.


Honestly, if these illnesses and diseases are so very very lethal, then how can we even exist right now? I mean, humans, thousands of years ago had no drugs we have today; they lived in huts, they hunted, gathered food, perhaps very small scale farming of animals and plants. How come they didn't die in such conditions. And the first drugs came out what 200-300 years ago?

News flash...... They did die. At numerous times throughout history diseases nearly wiped out the entire population. Wanna know what killed the 100 million natives when the Europeans arrived? No, it wasn't Hernan Cortez. It was smallpox. Ever heard of the bubonic plague? It killed 2/3 of Europe, which is incidentally how Europeans evolved immunity for it. Same story goes for malaria. Before the vaccine, 20,000 people died of polio per year in the US alone!

To assert that these vaccines are not helping is honestly one of the most offensive and inconsiderate things you could say. People like me devote our lives to developing and perfecting vaccines. For financial gain? No, this job (scientific research) pays like crap. We do it because we are devoted to making the world a better place. Volunteer doctors risk there lives, running back and forth through war zones, literally dodging bullets to get vaccines to people who need it, and you sit at home on your computer saying that these heroes are not helping anyone. There are hundreds of documented cases where a patient refused to receive a vaccine, out of some misguided fear that it was "bad for them" and died as a result. Not only do the doctors involved work tirelessly to keep these idiots alive, but then they are taken to court and all but accused of murder afterward, on a consistent basis.

If you feel like distrusting the authorities, then go do it over nitrates in hotdogs or something. But don't ever tell anyone that vaccines don't save millions of lives per year, or that we just support them to make money, or worst yet, that these diseases are not "so very lethal".
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1/19/2014 9:43:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 1:48:38 AM, nummi wrote:
What diseases exactly? All I know is that about 90-95 percent of all modern health problems are preventable by simply having a right diet (and as well lifestyle). That includes most all viral ones.
Really!? Do you think you could fight off Polio, smallpox, or Diphtheria? These diseases will not stay gone if people keep making excuses such as the ones you're making. Don't take my word for it, talk to a doctor.
If a person ate right in the first place then the person would never even get those "diseases", and if did then drugs would most certainly (I'm almost 100% certain) not be needed to "fight them off".
Have those diseases been tested against a right diet (that'd be no processed foods, no industrialized crap, and high in animal)? They have not. So, they base their "expert" claims on what exactly? On "evidence" that's based on merely a part of the whole spectrum?

Yes, they have. You are the most medically ignorant person I have seen on the internet yet. Polio has nothing to do with what you eat. I guarantee you, I don't care how well you eat, if I wanted to kill you all I have to do is wipe a smallpox contaminated rag on your banister. Eat all the vegetables you want, you will be dead within the week,


I'm not making excuses. Unlike you I am far more aware how things really are with humanity; those doctors base their knowledge on that partial evidence and inconclusive summations.
Reality's calling, time you heard it.

No, unlike anyone here you are absolutely, completely blind.


Not interested in digging them all out, it'd take too long.
Talk to a doctor, and tell them the same reasons you mentioned earlier. If you're a patient they will be nicer in their answer. They will tell you some vaccines may benefit you more than others (on a particular affliction), but they will not tell you to avoid them at all cost. If you're not a patient, be careful broaching this subject while telling him/her best medical practices.
They won't tell anyone to avoid them because if they did they'd lose their job. Because that advice would be against what goes for health in presence of partial, even biased, evidence their knowledge is based on.

Oh really? Biased how?

They also won't tell because even they do not know that vaccines are in general very bad.
They do not even know what a correct diet is.
They do their "job", not realizing it is supposed to be about helping people.
In it for the $$$.

In it for the money? No one gets into medicine for the money. No. One. It is one of the most dangerous and stressful jobs in the world. One small mistake can land you in prison for the rest of your life, mostly because society listens to morons like you who vilify the ones doing the most good.

Not all but most are at least one of these.

So, in their almost as good as absolute ignorance when it comes to true human health,

Really? Fifteen years of their life devoted entirely to meticulous scientific study of the human body and medicine, and you know more because you read a few internet articles? Anyone else here smell the BS?

they advise to take literal poisons and do things that in reality make people just sicker.

Well then if you ever are infected with a serious illness, or are severely injured, remember to refuse medical treatment. That is what is called natural selection.

Their knowledge is based on partial studies, studies that are made not with people whose health is good via having a right diet and still have some health issues.

And you know this because you set up the studies? Or we're there? Or even read them? Or even know what they are about? Or even have access to any information on them? No.

Their knowledge is based on people that are sick because they eat wrong, and instead of fixing the diet they shovel drugs and stupid advice at them - all which keeps or makes them sicker yet. (Again, not all, but most.)

Lies. Just lies.


Doctors themselves, in general, do not know or are greedy or do not care, etc.
As well it's about the $$$. How many rely on drugs and doctors to fix them? Most of humanity. Are they truly getting better? No. Is humanity getting ever sicker? Yes.

Humanity is getting sicker? Really? Have you ever in your life opened a history book? Humanity today is the healthiest it has ever been!

Is food ever more processed? Yes. What passes as cure in medical world? Poisons and unhealthy methods. What is needed for those? $$$. Where does $$$ end up? In the pockets of the owners and leaders of corporations. This is nice and all but the most important - why do people believe them? Shouldn't people already on their own be aware enough, and only seek help from doctors if the issue cannot be treated via diet? Oh right, people don't even know what their bodies, over millions of years, have evolved to use. Why don't they know that?
In contrast, if diet did fix (almost) everything, and actual science, not lies and partial evidence, said so, then who would possibly object? And what would that do to the above example of questions and answers? Would be very different wouldn't it?

Embrace modern "medicine" and drugs if I can instead eat right and have most health problems prevented far better than the drugs themselves could ever manage? No thanks.
It is not an 'either-or' situation. This, like so many other issues, is not a black and white issue. Modern medicine and taking care of yourself is the best of both worlds.
Never said it is black and white. Reread what I wrote previously if you think I did.
Present modern medicine is the worst option. It is founded on ignorance, lies, $$$, I'll throw large-scale human experiments to this list (all the drugs ever made, not a single one has conclusive evidence showing how it truly affects recipients (not to mention the so-called side-effects) and they are suggested and sold to people as "safe").

Lies. All of them.
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1/19/2014 11:36:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 9:43:04 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 1/19/2014 1:48:38 AM, nummi wrote:
What diseases exactly? All I know is that about 90-95 percent of all modern health problems are preventable by simply having a right diet (and as well lifestyle). That includes most all viral ones.
Really!? Do you think you could fight off Polio, smallpox, or Diphtheria? These diseases will not stay gone if people keep making excuses such as the ones you're making. Don't take my word for it, talk to a doctor.
If a person ate right in the first place then the person would never even get those "diseases", and if did then drugs would most certainly (I'm almost 100% certain) not be needed to "fight them off".
Have those diseases been tested against a right diet (that'd be no processed foods, no industrialized crap, and high in animal)? They have not. So, they base their "expert" claims on what exactly? On "evidence" that's based on merely a part of the whole spectrum?

Yes, they have. You are the most medically ignorant person I have seen on the internet yet. Polio has nothing to do with what you eat. I guarantee you, I don't care how well you eat, if I wanted to kill you all I have to do is wipe a smallpox contaminated rag on your banister. Eat all the vegetables you want, you will be dead within the week,


I'm not making excuses. Unlike you I am far more aware how things really are with humanity; those doctors base their knowledge on that partial evidence and inconclusive summations.
Reality's calling, time you heard it.

No, unlike anyone here you are absolutely, completely blind.


Not interested in digging them all out, it'd take too long.
Talk to a doctor, and tell them the same reasons you mentioned earlier. If you're a patient they will be nicer in their answer. They will tell you some vaccines may benefit you more than others (on a particular affliction), but they will not tell you to avoid them at all cost. If you're not a patient, be careful broaching this subject while telling him/her best medical practices.
They won't tell anyone to avoid them because if they did they'd lose their job. Because that advice would be against what goes for health in presence of partial, even biased, evidence their knowledge is based on.

Oh really? Biased how?

They also won't tell because even they do not know that vaccines are in general very bad.
They do not even know what a correct diet is.
They do their "job", not realizing it is supposed to be about helping people.
In it for the $$$.

In it for the money? No one gets into medicine for the money. No. One. It is one of the most dangerous and stressful jobs in the world. One small mistake can land you in prison for the rest of your life, mostly because society listens to morons like you who vilify the ones doing the most good.

Not all but most are at least one of these.

So, in their almost as good as absolute ignorance when it comes to true human health,

Really? Fifteen years of their life devoted entirely to meticulous scientific study of the human body and medicine, and you know more because you read a few internet articles? Anyone else here smell the BS?

they advise to take literal poisons and do things that in reality make people just sicker.

Well then if you ever are infected with a serious illness, or are severely injured, remember to refuse medical treatment. That is what is called natural selection.

Their knowledge is based on partial studies, studies that are made not with people whose health is good via having a right diet and still have some health issues.

And you know this because you set up the studies? Or we're there? Or even read them? Or even know what they are about? Or even have access to any information on them? No.

Their knowledge is based on people that are sick because they eat wrong, and instead of fixing the diet they shovel drugs and stupid advice at them - all which keeps or makes them sicker yet. (Again, not all, but most.)

Lies. Just lies.


Doctors themselves, in general, do not know or are greedy or do not care, etc.
As well it's about the $$$. How many rely on drugs and doctors to fix them? Most of humanity. Are they truly getting better? No. Is humanity getting ever sicker? Yes.

Humanity is getting sicker? Really? Have you ever in your life opened a history book? Humanity today is the healthiest it has ever been!

Is food ever more processed? Yes. What passes as cure in medical world? Poisons and unhealthy methods. What is needed for those? $$$. Where does $$$ end up? In the pockets of the owners and leaders of corporations. This is nice and all but the most important - why do people believe them? Shouldn't people already on their own be aware enough, and only seek help from doctors if the issue cannot be treated via diet? Oh right, people don't even know what their bodies, over millions of years, have evolved to use. Why don't they know that?
In contrast, if diet did fix (almost) everything, and actual science, not lies and partial evidence, said so, then who would possibly object? And what would that do to the above example of questions and answers? Would be very different wouldn't it?

Embrace modern "medicine" and drugs if I can instead eat right and have most health problems prevented far better than the drugs themselves could ever manage? No thanks.
It is not an 'either-or' situation. This, like so many other issues, is not a black and white issue. Modern medicine and taking care of yourself is the best of both worlds.
Never said it is black and white. Reread what I wrote previously if you think I did.
Present modern medicine is the worst option. It is founded on ignorance, lies, $$$, I'll throw large-scale human experiments to this list (all the drugs ever made, not a single one has conclusive evidence showing how it truly affects recipients (not to mention the so-called side-effects) and they are suggested and sold to people as "safe").


Lies. All of them.

Well spoken, PBG.
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1/19/2014 5:39:56 PM
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This is a baseless assertion supported by no scientists anywhere. The only reason people believe this is because of a select few uneducated celebrities endorsing this pseudo scientific idea.
Celebrities?? Gotcha...
What I've said has absolutely nothing to do with celebrities, I know as good as nothing about celebrities and their decisions and lifestyles. That you brought them in indicates strong bias on your side.
This all has nothing to do with celebrities.
What do you base your assertion on?

Uh yea... No. While eating and living well does provide the body with excellent defensive capabilities, it does not provide protection against the major vaccinated illnesses in the slightest. That is why we get vaccinated for them.
Uh yea... Yes. Educate yourself on reality before saying something so ignorant and stupid.
Eating right does protect us against all major illnesses. Only some few ones probably are not manageable without.
The reason you get vaccinated is because you are told to and because you are fed lies in the first place about human health.

Which is why we don't vaccinate against "fevers, coughs and such". We vaccinate against diseases that have a constant ability to overpower and kill the person infected.
It was an example of how messed up matters are.
Here, a touch of reality - http://www.relfe.com...

Some more, http://en.wikipedia.org... - "Smallpox is believed to have emerged in human populations about 10,000 BC."
Roughly the same time wheat and similar grains were introduced to human diet. Coincidence? No way.

A little more, http://www.reocities.com...

According to who? This has no scientific support.
And your "scientific evidence" is based on inconclusive observations and experiments, on inconclusive summations. Your evidence is biased and based on lies.

"Quick fix" pills have nothing to do with vaccines.
They are all harmful (except in some rare cases where are no known alternatives).

News flash...... They did die. At numerous times throughout history diseases nearly wiped out the entire population. Wanna know what killed the 100 million natives when the Europeans arrived? No, it wasn't Hernan Cortez. It was smallpox. Ever heard of the bubonic plague? It killed 2/3 of Europe, which is incidentally how Europeans evolved immunity for it. Same story goes for malaria. Before the vaccine, 20,000 people died of polio per year in the US alone!
News flash...... if they died then we could not exist right now. News flash..... things are not as they are told by the so-called "experts".

Why did those diseases come to be? You think they just came, without any real cause behind them. News flash..... every time a massive onslaught of diseases hit it was when a change came to human diet, either through new and toxic substances or the lack of much needed nutrients. News flash..... it's all about the diet.

News flash..... if people's bodies were in the presence of all necessary nutrients in sufficient quantities then there'd have been no or very few deaths.

You really need to educate yourself on human health. When doing this don't refer to your biased articles and stuff, and do try to think objectively - very important.

To assert that these vaccines are not helping is honestly one of the most offensive and inconsiderate things you could say.
Offensive and inconsiderate to those who are brainwashed and indoctrinated by biased crap you as a result regard as evidence. You were raised with lies, and still live by them, obviously.
People like me devote our lives to developing and perfecting vaccines.
Oh, how wonderful. If only you knew what you're truly doing.

Vaccines are very, even extremely, harmful. If diet was right people would not get infected. If people got infected and dieting didn't help then sure, bring in drugs, but those wouldn't be vaccines, those would be one time treatments for the specific illness. And holy sh!t..... news flash, to me now.... vaccines truly are only harmful (unless someone goes to a foreign region with its own "illnesses" to which diet is not potent enough against, and the best solution would be vaccination beforehand, otherwise just no).

For financial gain? No, this job (scientific research) pays like crap.
Would you really expect the owners and such give a decent enough share to you? They only give you enough so you'd keep busy, and no more nor less (assuming you didn't lie...).

We do it because we are devoted to making the world a better place.
So you could make the world a better place you should first know why it is not a good enough place. Do you? You do not! All you see are problems, but you do not look for the causes!!! You only deal with symptoms! If you want to fix anything, you need to deal with the cause itself!

Volunteer doctors risk there lives, running back and forth through war zones, literally dodging bullets to get vaccines to people who need it,
All because even they do not know how things truly are.

and you sit at home on your computer saying that these heroes are not helping anyone.
They are not heroes. There is no such thing as a hero!
I, having an open and aware mind, am helping the entire humanity already merely by this fact more then they could ever manage within their lifetime. No matter how much vaccines they deliver.
The causes of the diseases and illnesses in those places are not because people don't have vaccines, it is because their living conditions, because food, are far below adequate!!!
Vaccines do not deal with the cause, they deal with symptoms, as a result creating their own symptoms/damage!

I am getting that you are in the drug world, I'm speechless... The ignorance of your own profession, or rather the initial "goal"... You do not know what you are saying and you not know what you are doing.

There are hundreds of documented cases where a patient refused to receive a vaccine, out of some misguided fear that it was "bad for them" and died as a result.
And what was that person's diet???

Not only do the doctors involved work tirelessly to keep these idiots alive, but then they are taken to court and all but accused of murder afterward, on a consistent basis.
The doctors are as much idiots as their patients. And, basically (leaving aside the fact that the ones committing it don't know about the reality of vaccines, nor do the patients), it is murder!

If you feel like distrusting the authorities, then go do it over nitrates in hotdogs or something.
This has nothing to do with distrust. This has everything do to with them being wrong, in as good as everything.

But don't ever tell anyone that vaccines don't save millions of lives per year, or that we just support them to make money, or worst yet, that these diseases are not "so very lethal".
Is the reason people get those illnesses because they haven't taken those vaccines or is the cause something else entirely? The same to all illnesses, do people get sick because they do not take drugs? Think realistically.

Vaccines do not save, right now they harm and damage. If you want to save you will bring those people true food, not this processed and industrialized crap, and high in animal fat and enough meat, and fvcking raw!

Funny to see someone in the business know so little about the business itself and true reasons behind it all. Clearly shows the credulity, stupidity, and short and closed mindedness of people. Well done.
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1/19/2014 5:47:04 PM
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Have those diseases been tested against a right diet (that'd be no processed foods, no industrialized crap, and high in animal)? They have not. So, they base their "expert" claims on what exactly? On "evidence" that's based on merely a part of the whole spectrum?
Yes, they have.
Oh really??? Ahahahah... Tell me, explain me, what is the right diet? 'Cause you obviously do not know.

You are the most medically ignorant person I have seen on the internet yet.
This merely shows how strongly indoctrinated and brainwashed you are, how biased you are. Prove me wrong, because unlike you I have reality on my side.

Polio has nothing to do with what you eat.
Yes it does, it has everything to do with what you eat. The reason is the same here as is with almost every illness - body weakened by wrong diet.

I guarantee you, I don't care how well you eat,
And you claim you care about people's health? What a hypocrite!

if I wanted to kill you all I have to do is wipe a smallpox contaminated rag on your banister.
And I doubt it would have much of an effect on me.

Eat all the vegetables you want, you will be dead within the week,
How ignorant and stupid and biased. I never said anything about vegetables you moron

No, unlike anyone here you are absolutely, completely blind.
Wow, really?
Something to read and think over, make your conclusions (preferably objective ones...). And there's far more than just these few.
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com...
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com...
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com...

I'm not the blind one here.

Oh really? Biased how?
You really have to ask? You don't know what makes one biased and why? Explains everything perfectly.

In it for the money? No one gets into medicine for the money. No. One.
And the mention of money is all you saw in what I said? Well done.

It is one of the most dangerous and stressful jobs in the world. One small mistake can land you in prison for the rest of your life
And there's no need for any of it in the way it presently is.

mostly because society listens to morons like you who vilify the ones doing the most good.
If only you could realize how dead wrong you are...

Really? Fifteen years of their life devoted entirely to meticulous scientific study of the human body and medicine, and you know more because you read a few internet articles? Anyone else here smell the BS?
I know the cause of almost all illnesses and diseases - all from wrong diet.
There's no need to know "more", just what causes all of it in general. You have that, you know what must be done - fix the diet, and as a result you fix the problem (in some few cases diet might not be enough but diet must be in every single scenario the first thing to look at and try).

As well, I know, from my own experience how dead wrong doctors with their "expertise" and "knowledge" are. I eat only raw, presently 60-80 percent carnivorous. I listen to my body and what it craves - the nutrients that are needed. I had a rather severe heart issue, and I'm healing without consuming any drugs of any kind. Around the time it hit me I learned about the reality of the medical world the hard way.

Some few internet articles and BS? If you have an open and objective mind then the few articles is far more than needed. Obviously not nearly enough in your case (I doubt any amount would do in your case, your mind is simply too messed up).

Well then if you ever are infected with a serious illness, or are severely injured, remember to refuse medical treatment. That is what is called natural selection.
Too late for that. Got something severe, checked symptoms and how others dealt with them (many took drugs and pills to no positive effect over many years, ruined lives, all in all "not curable"). I fixed my diet, and as a result the problem is healing slowly, progressively getting better over months, perhaps a year or so more and it'll be healed completely. This is what is called reality.

And you know this because you set up the studies? Or we're there? Or even read them? Or even know what they are about? Or even have access to any information on them? No.
I know this because I've read other people's stories, what is claimed by the "authority" and what those people did and what the results were. And because my mind is objective. And of course all the improvements I've noticed about myself.

If wrong diet was proved by those so-called experts as the cause of most all illnesses, what do you think would that mean to medical world? It would go bankrupt, but the ones who call the shots do like their money... so on with lying.

Their knowledge is based on people that are sick because they eat wrong, and instead of fixing the diet they shovel drugs and stupid advice at them - all which keeps or makes them sicker yet. (Again, not all, but most.)
Lies. Just lies.
They sure are...

Humanity is getting sicker? Really? Have you ever in your life opened a history book? Humanity today is the healthiest it has ever been!
About history, how far back are you suggesting? This is very important.
Humanity today is the sickest it has ever been!!!!!!!!!!

Is food ever more processed? Yes. What passes as cure in medical world? Poisons and unhealthy methods. What is needed for those? $$$. Where does $$$ end up? In the pockets of the owners and leaders of corporations. This is nice and all but the most important - why do people believe them? Shouldn't people already on their own be aware enough, and only seek help from doctors if the issue cannot be treated via diet? Oh right, people don't even know what their bodies, over millions of years, have evolved to use. Why don't they know that?
In contrast, if diet did fix (almost) everything, and actual science, not lies and partial evidence, said so, then who would possibly object? And what would that do to the above example of questions and answers? Would be very different wouldn't it?

Embrace modern "medicine" and drugs if I can instead eat right and have most health problems prevented far better than the drugs themselves could ever manage? No thanks.
It is not an 'either-or' situation. This, like so many other issues, is not a black and white issue. Modern medicine and taking care of yourself is the best of both worlds.
Never said it is black and white. Reread what I wrote previously if you think I did.
Present modern medicine is the worst option. It is founded on ignorance, lies, $$$, I'll throw large-scale human experiments to this list (all the drugs ever made, not a single one has conclusive evidence showing how it truly affects recipients (not to mention the so-called side-effects) and they are suggested and sold to people as "safe").


Lies. All of them.
You're finally getting it. How good for you!

Explain to me, why would I lie? I have absolutely no reason to.
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1/19/2014 9:18:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 5:47:34 PM, nummi wrote:
Well spoken, PBG.
This says nothing good about you.

Your viewpoint is biased, I'm sorry to tell you. The fact your 'evidence' consist of a forum post speaks volumes. As well as the fact you consider ALL doctors and medical professionals to be involved in some sort of conspiracy theory. This speaks to your bias and subjective 'wisdom'. I hope your heart condition continues to get better, but it really has nothing to do with vaccines. You're welcome to think what you like, but in case you're interested in getting objective information:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...
http://www.mamamia.com.au...
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1/19/2014 10:34:16 PM
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At 1/19/2014 9:18:15 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/19/2014 5:47:34 PM, nummi wrote:
Well spoken, PBG.
This says nothing good about you.

Your viewpoint is biased, I'm sorry to tell you.
Biased in what way exactly? I'm not sorry to tell you that my viewpoint is not biased.
The fact your 'evidence' consist of a forum post speaks volumes.
Those posts there had as well links to further articles... as does the entire forum. And many of those who spoke there have years of experience with dieting and health, so yeah, it really does speak volumes but not in the way you think.
As well as the fact you consider ALL doctors and medical professionals to be involved in some sort of conspiracy theory.
Point out where I said this. This is something you'll find impossible to do for a very obvious reason...

Either way, once you begin noticing details about our society then you cannot get around the fact that conspiracies are as good as real. The evidence is in the details, connections, reasons and causes.
This speaks to your bias and subjective 'wisdom'.
Not biased and not subjective the way you regard it. Would you care to explain how I am biased and how it is subjective what I said?
I hope your heart condition continues to get better, but it really has nothing to do with vaccines. You're welcome to think what you like, but in case you're interested in getting objective information:
This has to do with vaccines via drugs being labeled as having a positive influence on human health when in truth they are mostly not needed and are harmful.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...
And again, what were the peoples diets before they were infected and during?
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...
That article is so biased... I'd even say it's pure propaganda.

Suffering, serious epidemics on the way, an infant died.. like bulding up hype and then giving some epic conclusion, all the while providing absolutely no true evidence as to what really causes those. They get infected, why do, why would, they get infected? It's not because they didn't take some idiotic drugs!

Babies die from diseases because already they are fed wrong! They get toxic substances and damaged nutrients through blood in the womb, they get toxic substances and damaged nutrients from mother's milk, then they are fed highly processed dairy crap and such - as well toxins in them and damaged nutrients. Of course they die!!! Give them real food, nutrient dense food, which is not processed, is not full of chemicals and all kinds of sh!t and they will not die of simple illnesses!

Vaccines are a factor, along with other factors, in causing autism. It's not about the amount of the toxic doses, it's about their efficiency, their potency, and they do cause harm, fact of fvcking reality! There are so many cases of people developing health issues after being vaccinated.

Why did diseases ravage entire populations? I know why, I know the biggest contributor to that, and it was not the lack of drugs in those times. They did not get sick because they hadn't taken drugs. They couldn't take them, drugs didn't even exist back then!
Over millions of years, what has our body evolved to use most efficiently as food, in what condition must that food be? It's this simple!

Herd immunity? What the fvck is that even supposed to be??? And healthy? The person who wrote that article doesn't know anything about health.

Such propaganda... how very nice. And to think you actually believe that kind of grain-fed BS... Really, really, really well done.
http://www.mamamia.com.au...
I was going to begin refuting those claims one by one but I'm not gonna waste my time on that; anyone with a sane and working mind would see how wrong all those claims are on their own; they are all literal lies posted as truths.
Just one question, do you really take what is claimed on that site, in that article, as true?
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1/19/2014 11:06:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 10:34:16 PM, nummi wrote:
At 1/19/2014 9:18:15 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/19/2014 5:47:34 PM, nummi wrote:
Well spoken, PBG.
This says nothing good about you.

Your viewpoint is biased, I'm sorry to tell you.
Biased in what way exactly? I'm not sorry to tell you that my viewpoint is not biased.
The fact your 'evidence' consist of a forum post speaks volumes.
Those posts there had as well links to further articles... as does the entire forum. And many of those who spoke there have years of experience with dieting and health, so yeah, it really does speak volumes but not in the way you think.
As well as the fact you consider ALL doctors and medical professionals to be involved in some sort of conspiracy theory.
Point out where I said this. This is something you'll find impossible to do for a very obvious reason...

Either way, once you begin noticing details about our society then you cannot get around the fact that conspiracies are as good as real. The evidence is in the details, connections, reasons and causes.
This speaks to your bias and subjective 'wisdom'.
Not biased and not subjective the way you regard it. Would you care to explain how I am biased and how it is subjective what I said?
I hope your heart condition continues to get better, but it really has nothing to do with vaccines. You're welcome to think what you like, but in case you're interested in getting objective information:
This has to do with vaccines via drugs being labeled as having a positive influence on human health when in truth they are mostly not needed and are harmful.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...
And again, what were the peoples diets before they were infected and during?
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...
That article is so biased... I'd even say it's pure propaganda.

Suffering, serious epidemics on the way, an infant died.. like bulding up hype and then giving some epic conclusion, all the while providing absolutely no true evidence as to what really causes those. They get infected, why do, why would, they get infected? It's not because they didn't take some idiotic drugs!

Babies die from diseases because already they are fed wrong! They get toxic substances and damaged nutrients through blood in the womb, they get toxic substances and damaged nutrients from mother's milk, then they are fed highly processed dairy crap and such - as well toxins in them and damaged nutrients. Of course they die!!! Give them real food, nutrient dense food, which is not processed, is not full of chemicals and all kinds of sh!t and they will not die of simple illnesses!

Vaccines are a factor, along with other factors, in causing autism. It's not about the amount of the toxic doses, it's about their efficiency, their potency, and they do cause harm, fact of fvcking reality! There are so many cases of people developing health issues after being vaccinated.

Why did diseases ravage entire populations? I know why, I know the biggest contributor to that, and it was not the lack of drugs in those times. They did not get sick because they hadn't taken drugs. They couldn't take them, drugs didn't even exist back then!
Over millions of years, what has our body evolved to use most efficiently as food, in what condition must that food be? It's this simple!

Herd immunity? What the fvck is that even supposed to be??? And healthy? The person who wrote that article doesn't know anything about health.

Such propaganda... how very nice. And to think you actually believe that kind of grain-fed BS... Really, really, really well done.
http://www.mamamia.com.au...
I was going to begin refuting those claims one by one but I'm not gonna waste my time on that; anyone with a sane and working mind would see how wrong all those claims are on their own; they are all literal lies posted as truths.
Just one question, do you really take what is claimed on that site, in that article, as true?
Yep.
http://www.cdc.gov...
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Yep.
Well, epicly bad for you.
http://www.cdc.gov...
http://www.cdc.gov...
Wow... You are so unaware of... everything.
You do realize that is a US government site? What you provided is not evidence.
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1/19/2014 11:55:34 PM
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At 1/19/2014 11:20:37 PM, nummi wrote:
Yep.
Well, epicly bad for you.
http://www.cdc.gov...
http://www.cdc.gov...
Wow... You are so unaware of... everything.
You do realize that is a US government site? What you provided is not evidence.

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3. Those who do not know, and know that they do not know. These are the ignorant, teach them.

4. Those who do not know, and do not know that they do not know. These are the fools, abandon them.

You, nummi, are a fool. Not only are you so exceedingly clueless as to the reality of things, but you have the audacity to insult those who give everything to make the world a better place. You deny heroes their recognition, you deliberately attack the very act of saving lives on a simple assumption that eating better will cure everything. You have no education in anything scientific, you haven't the slightest idea how disease works, and you know diddly squat about medicine. In spite of all this, you decide that you know better than those who devote their entire lives to the field. Do you really think we are stupid enough not to know the benefit of a healthy diet? Dietary nutrition is a fundamental principle in our studies, yet we know at the same time that it is not a cure all! The purpose of a vaccine is to save the lives of at risk people! We tell people to eat right, but that doesn't fix everything!
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1/20/2014 1:08:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/18/2014 11:52:48 PM, nummi wrote:
At 1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM, jh1234l wrote:
Helo, yu hav ben deceivvd. Vacinaton it patr of evi plan of depoplate.

Vacccins hav:

Potssium Choride-Use in fatl injetion
Dihdrogn Monoxid-Caus excesive urinate
Thimrosal-Nuroinjecton

Despit the fac that in amont that the chemicos are use in vacine they ar not toxic, logick and truth ar for evil comunits libral.

Ignor actual, scientifi concpts as wel as tested, confirm fact in toxoclogy lik "risk" "amont neded for risk" and "amont in vacine compar to amont neded for risk". Truth an logick are deception!

WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.
Despite the obvious trolling part, most all vaccines actually are only harmful. And even at that the extent of damage varies from severe to almost none, as well depending on the potency of the poison.
Only harmful because the alternative that actually does work against and for preventing almost all illnesses and diseases is simply eating right, and living right.

If you want protection from diseases the very first thing you must do is enable your body strong enough to fight back the initial attack, later the body will be familiar and resistant to the disease. To do that the body must have all the necessary nutrients and no toxic substances modern "normal" diet is full of, the diet most "experts" tell you to have.
Some fevers, coughs, and such some people tend to have each year are natural cleansing processes of the body, taking drugs during those is harmful, the body must "fight them off" on its own strength as it should be able to. Again eat right; how's the body supposed to do what it is evolved to do if it's loaded with crap food that weakens you and keeps you weak?

The "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS" is the correct reaction, and should listen to it and not eat that crap. Those chemicals are harmful to us, it might kill the "virus" that does its supposed job cleaning the body (probably not all viruses), but it also damages the inflicted at the same time. So, a person who takes a pill has the body dealing with the illness and the "damage" done by it and on top of that the damage done by the drug as well.

Honestly, if these illnesses and diseases are so very very lethal, then how can we even exist right now? I mean, humans, thousands of years ago had no drugs we have today; they lived in huts, they hunted, gathered food, perhaps very small scale farming of animals and plants. How come they didn't die in such conditions. And the first drugs came out what 200-300 years ago?

Nummi do you actually realise that most vaccinations don't actually use 'poisonous compounds of chemicals'? These days they use weakened forms of the virus to strengthen your immune system against the virus. But then again, even schoolchildren know this stuff. Anyway, if you know your evolution and your history people died of colds centuries ago but we (as a species) have evolved to resist common diseases to a certain extent.
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1/20/2014 2:30:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/18/2014 11:52:48 PM, nummi wrote:
At 1/18/2014 10:45:35 PM, jh1234l wrote:
Helo, yu hav ben deceivvd. Vacinaton it patr of evi plan of depoplate.

Vacccins hav:

Potssium Choride-Use in fatl injetion
Dihdrogn Monoxid-Caus excesive urinate
Thimrosal-Nuroinjecton

Despit the fac that in amont that the chemicos are use in vacine they ar not toxic, logick and truth ar for evil comunits libral.

Ignor actual, scientifi concpts as wel as tested, confirm fact in toxoclogy lik "risk" "amont neded for risk" and "amont in vacine compar to amont neded for risk". Truth an logick are deception!

WARNING: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THE JOKE, THIS WAS INTENDED TO POINT OUT THAT SOME ANTI-VACCINATION PROPONENTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOSAGE AND RISK OF CHEMICALS MATTER, NOT "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS". CHOOSING NOT TO GET VACCINATED BECAUSE YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY MAY RESULT IN A LACK OF PROTECTION FROM CERTAIN DISEASES.
Despite the obvious trolling part, most all vaccines actually are only harmful. And even at that the extent of damage varies from severe to almost none, as well depending on the potency of the poison.

Source?

Only harmful because the alternative that actually does work against and for preventing almost all illnesses and diseases is simply eating right, and living right.

Source?

If you want protection from diseases the very first thing you must do is enable your body strong enough to fight back the initial attack, later the body will be familiar and resistant to the disease.

And if you want to make things quicker, give your immune system some target practice - you do realize that this is what vaccines do, right? All they contain is a weakened form of the virus they confer immunity against, and some chemicals involved in the weakening of the virus and for ensuring the vaccine is not contaminated. Your immune system fights it like it would fight the normal virus (minus the aggressive behavior that necessitates fevers and other immune system reactions), and figures out the correct set of antibodies to use on it, should it ever enter your body.

To do that the body must have all the necessary nutrients and no toxic substances modern "normal" diet is full of, the diet most "experts" tell you to have.

The paleo-diet you seem to endorse is entirely founded on false premises - the human digestive system has changed in the last 10,000 years since we started using agriculture in our diets. Our bite has changed, and we have evolved lactose tolerance to drink cow's milk.

Some fevers, coughs, and such some people tend to have each year are natural cleansing processes of the body, taking drugs during those is harmful, the body must "fight them off" on its own strength as it should be able to. Again eat right; how's the body supposed to do what it is evolved to do if it's loaded with crap food that weakens you and keeps you weak?

Tell me how well that works when you catch polio, measles, or any of the wide array of vaccine preventable diseases. I bet your diet won't protect you from HIV or cancer. Surely you would be willing to test any of these diseases, considering how you seem to be very confident in your absolute immunity to any and all diseases?

The "OMG THIS CHEMICAL SOUNDS DANGEROUS" is the correct reaction, and should listen to it and not eat that crap. Those chemicals are harmful to us, it might kill the "virus" that does its supposed job cleaning the body (probably not all viruses), but it also damages the inflicted at the same time. So, a person who takes a pill has the body dealing with the illness and the "damage" done by it and on top of that the damage done by the drug as well.

Evidence? I'm a person who doesn't like to take a lot of crap assertions with not a shred of evidence, and you'll find very few people unlike me on this forum... Pony up some evidence for your ridiculous claims, or don't expect to be taken seriously. Modern medicine has the experiments and observations of millions of doctors on it's side, and you don't have anything.

Honestly, if these illnesses and diseases are so very very lethal, then how can we even exist right now? I mean, humans, thousands of years ago had no drugs we have today; they lived in huts, they hunted, gathered food, perhaps very small scale farming of animals and plants. How come they didn't die in such conditions. And the first drugs came out what 200-300 years ago?

They had dramatically lower lifespans. People could die from a common cold before modern medicine. Just because some of a population can survive does not mean that their quality of life and life expectancy was any better than ours today.

In order to support your claims, you have to provide evidence. Not the usual post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc you people tend to provide ("This person was vaccinated, and they have autism, so clearly the vaccine caused it"), but actual evidence. Not dismissing everything done by people who have devoted their lives to the study of medicine as untrue, but actually doing your own work to demonstrate why it is untrue. This is your thought pattern so far:

Person: Your claims are untrue, *posts link to article that addresses common claims of anti-vaxers, showing examples that demonstrate the claims to be false*
You: OMG BIASED. I'M RIGHT. THEY DIDN'T EAT RIGHT.

All you have done so far upon receiving responses to your posts is insist that you are right, without saying why you are right. Why do you know you are right? Explain, demonstrate how your answer is correct and show why all of the others can't be correct. Don't expect to get results by continuing to insist that you are right while adding nothing of substance to your arguments. People get tired of that kind of crap really quickly.
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1/20/2014 11:43:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 11:55:34 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 1/19/2014 11:20:37 PM, nummi wrote:
Yep.
Well, epicly bad for you.
http://www.cdc.gov...
http://www.cdc.gov...
Wow... You are so unaware of... everything.
You do realize that is a US government site? What you provided is not evidence.

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1. Those who know, and know that they know. These are the scholars, learn from them.

2. Those who know, but do not know that they know. These are the forgetful, remind them.

3. Those who do not know, and know that they do not know. These are the ignorant, teach them.

4. Those who do not know, and do not know that they do not know. These are the fools, abandon them.
Thanks for the laugh... There are far more than just four. Stereotyping, gotta love it.

You, nummi, are a fool.
You claim this purely from your own ignorance and stupidity. You are a fool.

Not only are you so exceedingly clueless as to the reality of things,
And what, saying vaccines are harmless is the reality of things? I'd say "Open your eyes!" But they're open, are they not? So what the fvck is the problem?

but you have the audacity to insult those who give everything to make the world a better place.
You believe you make things better but you do not. If you want to make things better then begin providing people real food, and educate them on what human body has evolved to use as food over millions of years! It's not vaccines nor any drugs!!! Drugs and vaccines are supposed to be a last case scenario when nothing else works! And you use drugs as the very first method! Wtf is wrong with you!?!

You deny heroes their recognition, you deliberately attack the very act of saving lives on a simple assumption that eating better will cure everything.
There are no heroes; we are all human. Some humans are simply stupid enough to brand others as "heroes", as someone to adore and worship. Just so stupid.
If someone does something good then that someone is not a hero, that someone is simply someone who did good. Those who deliver vaccines, to those who in truth first need real food to prevent and solve health issues, are doing bad not good. You are so brainwashed it's ludicrous even.

When did I say eating better will solve everything? When?!?! Never, you imbecile!!!!
What I said was that eating right will prevent and solve 90-95 percent of all modern health problems! You misinterpreting delusional imbecile!

You have no education in anything scientific, you haven't the slightest idea how disease works, and you know diddly squat about medicine.
And yet it is far more than you know. And you're supposed to be in medical community, figure that...
In spite of all this, you decide that you know better than those who devote their entire lives to the field.
Because they do not know the basics of what is truly behind most illnesses. If they did there would be vaccinations and drugs, and else, only to those diseases and illnesses that are not manageable and curable through fixing the diet. For fvck's sake!!! You should know and apply all of this to yourself, being in the "medical" community!

Do you really think we are stupid enough not to know the benefit of a healthy diet?
Not a "healthy" diet, the right diet according to our evolution. And yes, you obviously are stupid enough!

Dietary nutrition is a fundamental principle in our studies, yet we know at the same time that it is not a cure all!
Not a cure at all?? Are you fvcking serious!?!?!

What has human body evolved to use over millions of years as food, and in what conditions must it be? What do people in general eat in present times? Answer these questions!
The purpose of a vaccine is to save the lives of at risk people! We tell people to eat right, but that doesn't fix everything!
You do not even know what eating right is, you do not know what the right diet is! You're suggesting people to do something you do not know yourself! And you're supposed to help people!
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1/20/2014 12:17:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 11:43:18 AM, nummi wrote:
At 1/19/2014 11:55:34 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Not only are you so exceedingly clueless as to the reality of things,
And what, saying vaccines are harmless is the reality of things? I'd say "Open your eyes!" But they're open, are they not? So what the fvck is the problem?

The problem is that some people are trying to sell you something - on that forum you linked, I see lots of people trying to sell alternative health related products. Similar to what you've said, if they admitted that it didn't work, they'd be out of business. Who do you trust, someone who has devoted their life to the study of medicine, or someone on a forum that may very well be selling these products while knowing very well that they do not work?

but you have the audacity to insult those who give everything to make the world a better place.
You believe you make things better but you do not. If you want to make things better then begin providing people real food, and educate them on what human body has evolved to use as food over millions of years! It's not vaccines nor any drugs!!! Drugs and vaccines are supposed to be a last case scenario when nothing else works! And you use drugs as the very first method! Wtf is wrong with you!?!

So far, you've provided NO EVIDENCE that a proper diet can effectively prevent diseases like you've been claiming. I'm going to be persistent where others haven't:

Provide. Evidence.

You deny heroes their recognition, you deliberately attack the very act of saving lives on a simple assumption that eating better will cure everything.
There are no heroes; we are all human. Some humans are simply stupid enough to brand others as "heroes", as someone to adore and worship. Just so stupid.
If someone does something good then that someone is not a hero, that someone is simply someone who did good. Those who deliver vaccines, to those who in truth first need real food to prevent and solve health issues, are doing bad not good. You are so brainwashed it's ludicrous even.

When did I say eating better will solve everything? When?!?! Never, you imbecile!!!!
What I said was that eating right will prevent and solve 90-95 percent of all modern health problems! You misinterpreting delusional imbecile!

Maybe it will prevent heart disease. Maybe it will prevent diabetes. In fact, we know that it will prevent those two (and we didn't find this out by browsing a forum, we found this out through years of medical research, by actual people with degrees in medicine. I remember laughing when on your forum, someone said "careful, this guy has a PhD, we can't trust him"). However, vaccine-preventable illness is something completely different. A virus is not there to clean the body, it is there to take over your cells and use them to replicate themselves ad infinitum. It is in your body's best interests to ensure that the immune system can respond properly when certain, more dangerous viruses enter.

You have no education in anything scientific, you haven't the slightest idea how disease works, and you know diddly squat about medicine.
And yet it is far more than you know. And you're supposed to be in medical community, figure that...
In spite of all this, you decide that you know better than those who devote their entire lives to the field.
Because they do not know the basics of what is truly behind most illnesses. If they did there would be vaccinations and drugs, and else, only to those diseases and illnesses that are not manageable and curable through fixing the diet. For fvck's sake!!! You should know and apply all of this to yourself, being in the "medical" community!

Do you really think we are stupid enough not to know the benefit of a healthy diet?
Not a "healthy" diet, the right diet according to our evolution. And yes, you obviously are stupid enough!

And the right diet according to our evolution includes a lot more agricultural products than your stupid fad diet does.

Dietary nutrition is a fundamental principle in our studies, yet we know at the same time that it is not a cure all!
Not a cure at all?? Are you fvcking serious!?!?!

What has human body evolved to use over millions of years as food, and in what conditions must it be? What do people in general eat in present times? Answer these questions!

Correlation =/= causation. A lot has changed since prehistoric times, most notably the fact that we live closer together and that it is easier for disease to spread as a result. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we use agriculture.

The purpose of a vaccine is to save the lives of at risk people! We tell people to eat right, but that doesn't fix everything!
You do not even know what eating right is, you do not know what the right diet is! You're suggesting people to do something you do not know yourself! And you're supposed to help people!

And you haven't provided a shred of evidence to support your claims. The only claims you've made are bare assertions, post hoc, correlation vs. causation, or demonstrably false. Whenever someone points this out, you insist that you are right, and proceed to repeat the same points. I can find evidence for my claims - I could find you a stack of double-blind studies on modern medicine and vaccines. I doubt you could find even one double-blind study. (Of course, I think that you would probably not understand what a double-blind study is and claim that it is biased anyways.) If you cannot defend your own position with evidence, how can you follow it with confidence that you are doing the right thing?
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1/20/2014 12:33:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Source?
Your source?
Source?
Your source?

And if you want to make things quicker, give your immune system some target practice - you do realize that this is what vaccines do, right?
I realize this is what we all are told by the "experts" and then I realize that there are those who have suffered, still do, from even severe health problems as a result of vaccination.
If you ate right you'd need no speed, you wouldn't even get infected. And if you did then and the illness didn't go away on its own only then time for drugs would come. There is no place for vaccines other than when going to new regions with its own diseases that aren't solvable with diet only.
Can you understand something so simple?

All they contain is a weakened form of the virus they confer immunity against, and some chemicals involved in the weakening of the virus and for ensuring the vaccine is not contaminated.
Those other chemicals that weaken the virus as well weaken and damage us.

Your immune system fights it like it would fight the normal virus (minus the aggressive behavior that necessitates fevers and other immune system reactions), and figures out the correct set of antibodies to use on it, should it ever enter your body.
And if your immune system is weakened due to wrong diet, as it is with most people?

You can not get around the fact that diet is responsible for preventing and healing most illnesses.

The paleo-diet you seem to endorse is entirely founded on false premises - the human digestive system has changed in the last 10,000 years since we started using agriculture in our diets. Our bite has changed, and we have evolved lactose tolerance to drink cow's milk.
You base this claim on what evidence? There are tens of thousands and more, including me, that prove you dead wrong.
Go ahead and try it on yourself. You'll see for yourself.
Lactose intolerance comes from pasteurizing milk, from cooking milk. Raw milk has enzymes that help digest lactose, when heating milk those enzymes are destroyed but lactose is not. Get your facts straight!

Tell me how well that works when you catch polio, measles, or any of the wide array of vaccine preventable diseases.
If I eat right I won't even catch the disease.

I bet your diet won't protect you from HIV or cancer. Surely you would be willing to test any of these diseases, considering how you seem to be very confident in your absolute immunity to any and all diseases?
From HIV, it will. I read somewhere about some not having gotten HIV.
Cancer? The direct result of a diet full of carbohydrates and sugars, and processed foods. Cancer cells eat about 4 to 5 times the amount of sugar normal body cells do. You want to cure cancer without chemicals and surgery? Simple, high animal fat and low to very low carb diet, and animal meats. And preferably all raw, not just some. It's that simple.

Why would I want to make myself sick? Any sane person would not. That you would even suggest something like this shows how dumb and ignorant you are.

Evidence? I'm a person who doesn't like to take a lot of crap assertions with not a shred of evidence, and you'll find very few people unlike me on this forum... Pony up some evidence for your ridiculous claims, or don't expect to be taken seriously. Modern medicine has the experiments and observations of millions of doctors on it's side, and you don't have anything.
What is your evidence?
But you do take crap assertions without a shred of evidence! Has the full spectrum of human health and diet been experimented? No, it has not! Your views are not founded on conclusive evidence! You believe crap assertions!

I have personal accounts of people who followed the doctors' ways and failed for years, only to eventually end up fixing their diet which improved their condition significantly or fixed most, if not all, problems. I have evidence that proves most modern medicine wrong while proving diet is the primary key to health.
I'd gladly give you the evidence, a result of simple google searches. But I know you would deny it all from your bias and indoctrination. So, go ahead and google around, I'm not gonna waste that kind of effort just for you.

They had dramatically lower lifespans. People could die from a common cold before modern medicine. Just because some of a population can survive does not mean that their quality of life and life expectancy was any better than ours today.
From common cold?? How far back are you looking?
Is what I've said about diet escaping you at every turn?

In order to support your claims, you have to provide evidence.
Where is your evidence to your claims?

Not the usual post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc you people tend to provide ("This person was vaccinated, and they have autism, so clearly the vaccine caused it"), but actual evidence.
"You people"? Undeniable proof of your bias, thank you.

Not dismissing everything done by people who have devoted their lives to the study of medicine as untrue, but actually doing your own work to demonstrate why it is untrue. This is your thought pattern so far:
When did I say all medicine is "untrue"? When and where did I say it?
Honestly, would be, for just once, very nice if you were objective.

Why it is untrue? Why should I do your job for you?
I know what the medical community says and suggests, I know that it fails in so many cases, I know what the "right" diet is like and why. I know that many have gotten rid of problems after fixing their diet, after failing doctors' advice. I know what eating right does to a weakened and damaged body, it improves everything. I have made my own research on my own, without asking anyone else. Do your own research!! And do not fvcking claim this and that based on inconclusive "evidence", while there is so much that proves it wrong!

Person: Your claims are untrue, *posts link to article that addresses common claims of anti-vaxers, showing examples that demonstrate the claims to be false*
You: OMG BIASED. I'M RIGHT. THEY DIDN'T EAT RIGHT.
Have you any idea how childish this is? I suppose if you did you would not have...

All you have done so far upon receiving responses to your posts is insist that you are right, without saying why you are right.
I have said why I am right. You want further evidence, then test it on yourself. Fix your diet, and follow it for at least a month.

Why do you know you are right? Explain, demonstrate how your answer is correct and show why all of the others can't be correct.
Really? Still?
I see how people are. I see what they eat. I see what doctors say. I see people on drugs and still with problems, and even getting worse. I see people change their diet, many different ones but only one with the best effect. I see those people getting better by increasingly using less and less modern processed crap and drugs. I as well see what humans diet was for millions of years, what our bodies have evolved to use.
You want evidence? Just look around.

Don't expect to get results by continuing to insist that you are right while adding nothing of substance to your arguments. People get tired of that kind of crap really quickly.
You add nothing of substance! And yes, I really do get tired.
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1/20/2014 1:38:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The problem is that some people are trying to sell you something - on that forum you linked, I see lots of people trying to sell alternative health related products.
What health products? Link them here.
They aren't selling anything. And I have absolutely no intention to buy anything even if they were. This claim of yours is of absolutely no substance.

Similar to what you've said, if they admitted that it didn't work, they'd be out of business.
They have no business! They are just simple people with simple lives who care about health! Sh!t how biased you are!

Who do you trust, someone who has devoted their life to the study of medicine, or someone on a forum that may very well be selling these products while knowing very well that they do not work?
I trust results and objective logic. Both of which I have.
What products are they selling?

So far, you've provided NO EVIDENCE that a proper diet can effectively prevent diseases like you've been claiming. I'm going to be persistent where others haven't:
Provide. Evidence.
Have you provided any evidence??? You have not!!
The OP was on your side, yet provided no evidence. The links to articles that were provided by someone were flawed and inconclusive while asserting claims as absolutely true. And while objective logic alone proves claims made on those sites lies.
Provide true evidence! You can't, not ever, because there isn't any!

Maybe it will prevent heart disease. Maybe it will prevent diabetes. In fact, we know that it will prevent those two (and we didn't find this out by browsing a forum, we found this out through years of medical research, by actual people with degrees in medicine. I remember laughing when on your forum, someone said "careful, this guy has a PhD, we can't trust him").
Most with phds you shouldn't trust. And that you laughed at it proves yet again your bias.
And as well, you obviously don't know when something is meant ligh-heartedly, as a part joke really.
Years of research in anything mean nothing if they are based on false information.

However, vaccine-preventable illness is something completely different.
I said something about vaccines and foreign regions... read that over and think that over.
A virus is not there to clean the body, it is there to take over your cells and use them to replicate themselves ad infinitum.
In human body there are "constructs" that in structure are viruses, and they help protect us. I think they were called "phages". Basically, they are viruses that protect us, so there goes your argument.

It is in your body's best interests to ensure that the immune system can respond properly when certain, more dangerous viruses enter.
And it can respond properly only when the body is not weakened by a crap diet.

And the right diet according to our evolution includes a lot more agricultural products than your stupid fad diet does.
You base this claim on what evidence?
Ten thousand or so years is obviously not enough. This claim of yours is from pure ignorance and stupidity, yet again.
I've eaten that agricultural diet, and suffered for it my whole life, luckily I got out of that rut. I have conclusive proof, tried and proved on myself, that you are dead wrong with your claims.
You think what you said is true? You want to prove me wrong? Then eat a diet about 70-90 percent carnivorous, and all raw, as I do. For a few months at least. The result would be that you would be proved wrong.

Explain to me, if we had evolved according to agriculture, essentially a plant diet, then how can people who eat a mostly carnivorous diet be in their best health?

Correlation =/= causation.
I have never said diet is the only factor to illnesses. It is the primary factor.
Damn how stupid you are...

A lot has changed since prehistoric times, most notably the fact that we live closer together and that it is easier for disease to spread as a result. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we use agriculture.
It is because of our diet, because of what we eat. It is the primary cause.
Are grains safe as food?

And you haven't provided a shred of evidence to support your claims.
Like with like, don't you agree? Actually, not like with like, as I've at least provided fundamental "principles" and objectivity.

The only claims you've made are bare assertions, post hoc, correlation vs. causation, or demonstrably false.
Says your bias.

Whenever someone points this out, you insist that you are right, and proceed to repeat the same points.
The side you are on made the first claim, but... that claim was founded on flawed and inconclusive "evidence" and outright lies that were asserted as absolute truth.
I know this because contradictory to all those claims are the people who eat what is regarded as unsafe and very harmful, yet end up with the best health ever without the need of drugs and vaccinations.
Do you deny these facts?

I can find evidence for my claims - I could find you a stack of double-blind studies on modern medicine and vaccines.
Then you do not know what evidence is supposed to be, as contradictory to your "evidence" there is so much that proves it wrong. You don't even begin to register drugs as harmful, drugs that were and are labeled as "safe" and sold to the public, even though there are plenty of examples of the harm they cause if you actually began searching.

I doubt you could find even one double-blind study. (Of course, I think that you would probably not understand what a double-blind study is and claim that it is biased anyways.)
It is biased if it is biased. If it is inconclusive and has flaws and holes in it, yet asserts in the presence of those something as absolutely true. Of course I will discard something like that as crap, any sane person would!

If you cannot defend your own position with evidence, how can you follow it with confidence that you are doing the right thing?
I have evidence - personal accounts of people, my own experience and similarities to theirs. Do your own research, read others' stories and what they say, test it on yourself, and you will have conclusive evidence. I have done this, you have not.
I know it is the right thing because despite what the experts say I am healing, in fact healing from health issues I didn't before even know were issues in the first place.

You want proof. Read people's stories, read what they say, and for fvck's sake, test it on yourself! I have, now I know.
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1/20/2014 3:21:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 12:33:24 PM, nummi wrote:
Source?
Your source?

I don't need a source. I'm not making a positive claim here. You need a source because you are making a claim.

I realize this is what we all are told by the "experts" and then I realize that there are those who have suffered, still do, from even severe health problems as a result of vaccination.

And these problems happen at a dramatically low rate, compared to the rate at which symptoms arise from catching a disease.

In addition, you need evidence to show that vaccination actually caused these health problems. Meaning an actual, causal link. Not "this person was vaccinated and has autism, therefore the vaccine caused it".

If you ate right you'd need no speed, you wouldn't even get infected. And if you did then and the illness didn't go away on its own only then time for drugs would come. There is no place for vaccines other than when going to new regions with its own diseases that aren't solvable with diet only.
Can you understand something so simple?

Then why don't you tell that to someone who has polio or bacterial pneumonia? Polio can cause permanent paralysis, and vaccination is the only way that it can be prevented. If you're so confident that your paleo diet will protect you, you are free to go and catch it, and I will laugh when you are paralyzed.

Those other chemicals that weaken the virus as well weaken and damage us.

Then show some evidence. I can show you studies on these substances that show that they are harmless in the quantities they are used in. You are actively refusing to show evidence.

And if your immune system is weakened due to wrong diet, as it is with most people?

You can not get around the fact that diet is responsible for preventing and healing most illnesses.

And YOU need to show EVIDENCE for YOUR CLAIM. I need more room than the character limit provides on this post to provide links. However, I will provide you with double-blind studies on as many of these claims as possible.

You base this claim on what evidence? There are tens of thousands and more, including me, that prove you dead wrong.
Go ahead and try it on yourself. You'll see for yourself.

And I have no trouble finding articles written by formal alternative health nuts who have caught measles and other vaccine preventable illnesses. I guess they didn't follow the right alternative diet, right? Your fad diet is no different from a religion.

Lactose intolerance comes from pasteurizing milk, from cooking milk. Raw milk has enzymes that help digest lactose, when heating milk those enzymes are destroyed but lactose is not. Get your facts straight!

Studies have shown this to be false, I'll link in the next post.

If I eat right I won't even catch the disease.

Are you able to demonstrate this claim?

From HIV, it will. I read somewhere about some not having gotten HIV.

You don't think anyone would do that, would you? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

Cancer? The direct result of a diet full of carbohydrates and sugars, and processed foods. Cancer cells eat about 4 to 5 times the amount of sugar normal body cells do. You want to cure cancer without chemicals and surgery? Simple, high animal fat and low to very low carb diet, and animal meats. And preferably all raw, not just some. It's that simple.

Why would I want to make myself sick? Any sane person would not. That you would even suggest something like this shows how dumb and ignorant you are.

If your claims are true, you won't get sick. If you really believe your system works, you would have no problems with doing this.

What is your evidence?

You're making the positive claim. Do I need to go over how burden of proof works?

But you do take crap assertions without a shred of evidence! Has the full spectrum of human health and diet been experimented? No, it has not! Your views are not founded on conclusive evidence! You believe crap assertions!

Any medicine put into practice has been extensively studied. Name one thing that you think hasn't been studied, and I will show that you are wrong.

I have personal accounts of people who followed the doctors' ways and failed for years, only to eventually end up fixing their diet which improved their condition significantly or fixed most, if not all, problems. I have evidence that proves most modern medicine wrong while proving diet is the primary key to health.

This is called "anecdotal evidence", and is likely the result of a placebo effect or someone lying to sell their product.

I'd gladly give you the evidence, a result of simple google searches. But I know you would deny it all from your bias and indoctrination. So, go ahead and google around, I'm not gonna waste that kind of effort just for you.

Then why do you expect me to expend the same effort on you? I will gladly provide evidence, given that you promise to provide evidence to your claims in return.

From common cold?? How far back are you looking?
Is what I've said about diet escaping you at every turn?

Any of the years before modern medicine. Spanish Flu, Bubonic Plague, take your pick.

In order to support your claims, you have to provide evidence.
Where is your evidence to your claims?

Again, I will provide it if you provide yours.

"You people"? Undeniable proof of your bias, thank you.

Fad dietists have made themselves and their logical fallacies rather prominent. That I tend to recognize the same fallacies being recycled is no different from your irrational hatred of doctors.

When did I say all medicine is "untrue"? When and where did I say it?
Honestly, would be, for just once, very nice if you were objective.

Why it is untrue? Why should I do your job for you?
I know what the medical community says and suggests, I know that it fails in so many cases, I know what the "right" diet is like and why. I know that many have gotten rid of problems after fixing their diet, after failing doctors' advice. I know what eating right does to a weakened and damaged body, it improves everything. I have made my own research on my own, without asking anyone else. Do your own research!! And do not fvcking claim this and that based on inconclusive "evidence", while there is so much that proves it wrong!

Once again, you're the one trying to persuade. You need to provide evidence. Would you buy a car if the salesman just told you "This car is good" and when you asked why, they just said "I don't need to waste my time explaining it to you, do your own research. It's a good car."? If not, you can see why people are largely unconvinced by your claims.

I have said why I am right. You want further evidence, then test it on yourself. Fix your diet, and follow it for at least a month.

Your experiences sound like they are caused by a placebo effect. Your evasion to questioning suggests that you really do have some doubt and are unwilling to defend your claims when confronted about them. Or that you really don't know why you support it, or that you support it for subjective reasons.

I see how people are. I see what they eat. I see what doctors say. I see people on drugs and still with problems, and even getting worse. I see people change their diet, many different ones but only one with the best effect. I see those people getting better by increasingly using less and less modern processed crap and drugs. I as well see what humans diet was for millions of years, what our bodies have evolved to use.
You want evidence? Just look around.

And what do you have to suggest that one event caused another? What do you have to suggest that these claims are even being made by a real person? A lot has changed in millions of years, and we live much closer together, where disease can spread much more easily. Yet you ignore these other factors, and insist that your fad diet is the reas
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1/20/2014 4:01:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago


Ok first off, pre agricultural man did not eat a 70-90 percent carnivorous diet. If the is what you are eating, then you are digging your own grave. The diet was 85-90 forage including berries, nuts, fruit, and fibrous greens.

Second, this diet is very low in nutrition, and scarce. The average life span is estimated to have been 35 years.

Third, the human body is constantly evolving, and did indeed evolve to function on an agricultural diet. A simple example is lactose intolerance. 10000 years ago only one out of ten people could comfortably process lactose, and today only about three out of twenty are intolerant.

Fourth, you will never find a health professional who does not tell his/ her patients to eat right, and yes, we know exactly what eating right is. There are two problems.

1. Eating right fixes degenerative problems, meaning problems caused by the body. This includes heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and some forms of early stage cancer. No one denies this. Tell everyone you can to eat right ( not that scuicidal carnivorous thing you described), I'm right with you on that. The problem is that it does nothing to fix external diseases. When a microbe infects an individual, it doesn't matter what they eat. The healthy human body is capable of fighting of 99.99% of infectious organisms! but these organisms number in the trillions ,and that 0.01% that the body can't fight of number in the tens or hundreds of thousands. These will overpower and kill the host, no matter what they'd eat.

If this were not the case, than wild animals who's diet consists soley of what the evolved to eat would never fall prey to disease. Unfortunately, disease kills hundreds of thousands of organisms every day.

This where modern medicine comes in. We fight what the body cannot.

2. The patients are always told to eat right ( again, we know exactly what that is). For the ones that do, they are generally very healthy and only come in for annual check ups, in the exception of special cases ( see previous point). The problem is that in the vast majority of cases, the patient does not listen. They eat themselves sick, and we are still charged with keeping them alive. If they won't change the way they live, then we must come up with an alternative method.
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1/20/2014 4:15:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 1:38:18 PM, nummi wrote:
The problem is that some people are trying to sell you something - on that forum you linked, I see lots of people trying to sell alternative health related products.
What health products? Link them here.

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com...

This is a message directly underneath one you linked.

Have you provided any evidence??? You have not!!
The OP was on your side, yet provided no evidence. The links to articles that were provided by someone were flawed and inconclusive while asserting claims as absolutely true. And while objective logic alone proves claims made on those sites lies.
Provide true evidence! You can't, not ever, because there isn't any!

The person with the positive claim must provide evidence. You are claiming that if you follow the paleo diet, you will become highly resistant to common illnesses. I do not have to provide any more evidence against that claim than I have to provide against the existence of an invisible teapot orbiting the sun. You have to provide evidence.

Most with phds you shouldn't trust. And that you laughed at it proves yet again your bias.
And as well, you obviously don't know when something is meant ligh-heartedly, as a part joke really.
Years of research in anything mean nothing if they are based on false information.

And a few hours of reading anecdotal accounts and sales pitches is worth something?

However, vaccine-preventable illness is something completely different.
I said something about vaccines and foreign regions... read that over and think that over.

So you admit that vaccines are good for conferring immunity to preventable illness when traveling, but you don't see why someone would use them to prevent illness from happening at all in any other case. Typical double standard.

In human body there are "constructs" that in structure are viruses, and they help protect us. I think they were called "phages". Basically, they are viruses that protect us, so there goes your argument.

I assume you are referring to bacteriophages? Those are viruses that only affect bacteria, and not human cells. Their existence is irrelevant, since we are talking about viruses that attack human cells.

Your wording here makes you seem uncertain about what you are saying... Is this because you truly don't understand what you are talking about?

And it can respond properly only when the body is not weakened by a crap diet.

Positive claims require evidence. Produce one double-blind study for your fad diet, and I will believe you.

And the right diet according to our evolution includes a lot more agricultural products than your stupid fad diet does.
You base this claim on what evidence?

Our bite has changed. Our teeth have a shearing overbite instead of straight-on incisors, which is more useful for eating plants. Our gut has gotten smaller since the invention of cooking, as cooked food is more easily digested. The evolution of lactose tolerance is a perfect example of humans adapting to novel food sources.

Ten thousand or so years is obviously not enough. This claim of yours is from pure ignorance and stupidity, yet again.

You know that human history includes a lot of gathering edible plants for consumption, right?

I've eaten that agricultural diet, and suffered for it my whole life, luckily I got out of that rut. I have conclusive proof, tried and proved on myself, that you are dead wrong with your claims.
You think what you said is true? You want to prove me wrong? Then eat a diet about 70-90 percent carnivorous, and all raw, as I do. For a few months at least. The result would be that you would be proved wrong.

Why not try a normal diet again, to see what has changed? I'd bet you'd get a lot less food poisoning from simply cooking your meat.

Explain to me, if we had evolved according to agriculture, essentially a plant diet, then how can people who eat a mostly carnivorous diet be in their best health?

Because individuals may respond to certain diets differently than others. If you want any evidence that can be relied on, you'd have to conduct a large-scale test.

I have never said diet is the only factor to illnesses. It is the primary factor.
Damn how stupid you are...

You have stated that a paleo diet can prevent 90-95% of illness. Your reasoning is that our ancestors did it. There are a lot of things our ancestors did. They didn't live in large cities with a densely packed population, for example.

It is because of our diet, because of what we eat. It is the primary cause.
Are grains safe as food?

And you haven't provided a shred of evidence to support your claims.
Like with like, don't you agree? Actually, not like with like, as I've at least provided fundamental "principles" and objectivity.

More like subjective, anecdotal accounts.

The only claims you've made are bare assertions, post hoc, correlation vs. causation, or demonstrably false.
Says your bias.

And, of course, when I point out flaws in your reasoning, you dismiss it as bias. I point to research, you say it is biased. I point out the conflict of interest that sellers of alternative health products have with their customers, and you say that I am only saying that because I am biased.

The side you are on made the first claim, but... that claim was founded on flawed and inconclusive "evidence" and outright lies that were asserted as absolute truth.
I know this because contradictory to all those claims are the people who eat what is regarded as unsafe and very harmful, yet end up with the best health ever without the need of drugs and vaccinations.
Do you deny these facts?

Please tell me where I or anyone else said that what you eat as part of your paleo-diet is unsafe and very harmful. If you want to call certain evidence that has been brought up flawed, then actually state what part of it is flawed and your reasoning behind thinking that.

Then you do not know what evidence is supposed to be, as contradictory to your "evidence" there is so much that proves it wrong. You don't even begin to register drugs as harmful, drugs that were and are labeled as "safe" and sold to the public, even though there are plenty of examples of the harm they cause if you actually began searching.

That does not mean that it applies to all drugs. There was once a time where heroin was sold as a non-addictive opiate painkiller for children. Obviously, we learned from that mistake, and that is one of the many reasons why drugs have to go through phases of testing on animals and humans before they are ever prescribed.

It is biased if it is biased. If it is inconclusive and has flaws and holes in it, yet asserts in the presence of those something as absolutely true. Of course I will discard something like that as crap, any sane person would!

A double-blind study is one where the subjects don't know whether they are the control group or the experimental group, and where the researchers don't know which group is what until they have fully analyzed all of the data. It is designed to eliminate all bias. If you still find reason to dismiss it as biased, then that would be enough to demonstrate that you are the one who is biased, one who will be convinced by one person on the internet but not a large body of scientific research.

Since you love anecdotal accounts so much, why not look at people who have not succeeded with the paleo diet? Like this person:

http://huntgatherlove.com...

If I can't convince you, perhaps someone who has done it can. If you are still completely unwilling to critically examine the issue after seeing someone else's experiences not go so well, then that simply makes you a zealot.
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1/21/2014 4:58:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't need a source. I'm not making a positive claim here. You need a source because you are making a claim.
Did I make the first positive claim? No. Your side did, and for "proof" gave claims and articles that were based entirely on inconclusive and flawed "evidence" and outright lies.
So, when I ask for evidence, then I do not have that kind of crap in mind, I mean real evidence. You haven't given any, your side has never provided any. You know why? Because if they were forced to do experiments to get conclusive and undeniable evidence they would have to test every possibility. If they did that they would affirm what so many have tried on themselves, seen on themselves " that which proves almost all modern medicine wrong and on the wrong course. Modern medicine is a business mostly based on lies.

You don't need a source? Oh really? So I and everyone on this planet has to simply "believe" what you and your side says without questioning any of it, no matter the "evidence" you have is not actually evidence for the fact that it is based on false information?
Are you capable of understanding that there are very many people who have gone against what doctors say (taking drugs, eating things that shouldn't be eaten, having diets completely off balance, etc.) and instead of dying they find better health they've ever had? Explain to me, if what I have said and all those people have experienced, me included, how can our health be better than ever? If you are right then you can explain it, with simple logic, simple words, no complex studies/articles and such will be needed. So, if you are right, explain that all in simple words. Until then, you are full of grain-based sh!t.
You say you don't need a source, as if your claims are absolute, as if the evidence your claims are based on reflect reality as it really is. If your claims and evidence they are based on are true, then explain how can there be so many people who just by being alive and healthy contradict all that?

These important details you don't even begin to notice, and if you do notice you simply throw them aside as charlatans and thieves and scam artists and such without putting any further thought into any of it.
And you ask me for proof? My proof are the details around me and you and every human on this planet you ignore and deny and avoid with petty excuses. You only accept that which applies to your cause of lies (I was fairly like you once, till I saw things for what they are).

And these problems happen at a dramatically low rate, compared to the rate at which symptoms arise from catching a disease.
And to those problems there is absolutely no need at all. Vaccinations are not needed if diet is right, and as a result the body is not weakened and susceptible to all kinds of "diseases". The few diseases that would be susceptible to would not require vaccination, there would be far too few occurrences (unless, again, when a person is moving from its native region to a new region with its own diseases and infection is very likely).

In addition, you need evidence to show that vaccination actually caused these health problems. Meaning an actual, causal link. Not "this person was vaccinated and has autism, therefore the vaccine caused it".
You mean like a person who had no health problems prior to being vaccinated? There is evidence, a lot of it. You want it, google it. I'm not doing your research for you.
"Therefore vaccines caused it". That is actually right. Those who have had problems after being vaccinated definitely were not on the correct diet, so even more reason for the vaccine to do damage. And those who are on the correct diet are aware enough to avoid vaccines and drugs in general. The only other cause to autism, aside drugs, is wrong diet.
Oh... and autism is curable, if not completely then definitely can be reduced significantly. You want proof? Google it; do your own research.

Seriously... you are arguing against a side you know nothing about. I grew up in the same world you did, only at one point I began noticing things aren't exactly the way I was taught and told. You don't have all the necessary knowledge to argue with authority as you are trying to, because of the fact that you do not know enough and that you haven't done your research. I, compared to you, do and have.

Then why don't you tell that to someone who has polio or bacterial pneumonia? Polio can cause permanent paralysis, and vaccination is the only way that it can be prevented. If you're so confident that your paleo diet will protect you, you are free to go and catch it, and I will laugh when you are paralyzed.
"vaccination is the only way that it can be prevented" Based on what? Have those diseases been tested against the right diet? They have not. So, again, based on what?

I said before, only an insane person would want to try and get oneself infected when there is absolutely no need. And as I said before, you must be very stupid, even extremely so, to even suggest something like this.

Then show some evidence. I can show you studies on these substances that show that they are harmless in the quantities they are used in. You are actively refusing to show evidence.
Harmless in the quantities they are used? Like the quantities that were given to people who developed health issues very soon after vaccination? And all in the same time period? Tell this to them.
You are actively refusing to provide real evidence (a hint, there is none for your side, if there was I would've seen some long ago).
I am refusing to show evidence? Who made the first claim and who gave inconclusive and flawed evidence and tried to insert lies as evidence? I did not.
If you were correct then why is humanity getting ever sicker? People are increasingly fed more drugs, are they not? Food is increasingly more processed, is it not?
Where comes the building material that human bodies are built of and our bodily systems work on, and how has it changed over years, centuries, millenniums, and so forth? And in parallel, how has human health changed, especially in the last century? Do your own research, and be wary of bias, including your own!

And YOU need to show EVIDENCE for YOUR CLAIM. I need more room than the character limit provides on this post to provide links. However, I will provide you with double-blind studies on as many of these claims as possible.
And YOU need to show EVIDENCE for YOUR CLAIM!!! REAL EVIDENCE, not this LUDICROUS MADE UP CRAP based on nothing but LIES and FALSE INFORMATION!
Yeah... I can do that too.

And I have no trouble finding articles written by formal alternative health nuts who have caught measles and other vaccine preventable illnesses. I guess they didn't follow the right alternative diet, right? Your fad diet is no different from a religion.
Formal alternative health nuts? What was their diet?

Then you have absolutely no idea what a religion is.

Lactose intolerance comes from pasteurizing milk, from cooking milk. Raw milk has enzymes that help digest lactose, when heating milk those enzymes are destroyed but lactose is not. Get your facts straight!
Studies have shown this to be false, I'll link in the next post.
Biased studies then. Do some real research and real objective thinking.

You don't think anyone would do that, would you? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
Lies like you do?
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1/21/2014 4:58:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Any medicine put into practice has been extensively studied. Name one thing that you think hasn't been studied, and I will show that you are wrong.
Extensively? You apparently have no idea how extensive human health is. They have not been studied anywhere near extensively enough.
The real cause and cure of cancer for one. The real cure and cause for acne. Obesity and its cause and cure. The real cause and cure of heart problems. And so forth many, many illnesses.

Of course they have been studied, but those studies were based on wrong information. As a result conclusions made were false. No wonder why... modern medicine is a business first and business last, in between business as usual. With extremely few exceptions.

This is called "anecdotal evidence", and is likely the result of a placebo effect or someone lying to sell their product.
If you call that anecdotal then you're a true moron (nothing new).
Lying to sell a product? What product exactly? All they could be selling would be simply buying the right foods " which means avoiding supermarkets and such and going straight to the farmer and farmers markets, and such, where people could get products grown as close to nature as possible, goal being to get as nutrient rich food, not processed and without modern chemicals and such added, as possible. So again, what products?

Any of the years before modern medicine. Spanish Flu, Bubonic Plague, take your pick.
And what did people eat then? In what condition was the food?

"You people"? Undeniable proof of your bias, thank you.
Fad dietists have made themselves and their logical fallacies rather prominent. That I tend to recognize the same fallacies being recycled is no different from your irrational hatred of doctors.
You call suggesting and advising people to take drugs and go on diets that don't heal them, and in many cases even make the condition worse, rational?
Also. You call those who have fixed their diet as best as they could and gotten as close to as it should be, as a result of fixing their health, irrational?
Gotcha... You got things in your head so messed up...

Once again, you're the one trying to persuade. You need to provide evidence. Would you buy a car if the salesman just told you "This car is good" and when you asked why, they just said "I don't need to waste my time explaining it to you, do your own research. It's a good car."? If not, you can see why people are largely unconvinced by your claims.
Once again, you're the one who provided lies as "truth" and expected everyone to simply follow it all, by denying all those who prove you and your lies, just by being healthy and alive, wrong.

"Would you buy a car if the salesman just told you "This car is good" and when you asked why, they just said "I don't need to waste my time explaining it to you, do your own research. It's a good car." You do realize that you are the salesman in that story? Just like selling cars, so is modern medicine a business.
A salesman who said something like that would not be a salesman much longer. The goal is to sell. By any means necessary, so the seller is obligated to even lie to make the sale, and if the buyer is ignorant and stupid the buyer will fall for those lies.

I am the consumer, the customer, the one who wants the best possible for myself. And before I intend to buy anything at all I do my own research, always will. Now, you do yours.

I, and my side, have absolutely nothing to sell, there is no money involved, just getting people to know what is really going on and to get people's health fixed. In your side, the medical world, there are such numbers moving around. Your side is selling, not mine.

Your experiences sound like they are caused by a placebo effect. Your evasion to questioning suggests that you really do have some doubt and are unwilling to defend your claims when confronted about them. Or that you really don't know why you support it, or that you support it for subjective reasons.
You don't know me, so saying "caused by placebo effect" is based on nothing. I don't imagine myself problems or vice versa.
My evasion to questioning? How many questions have I asked and how many have you answered? Just check it and you'll know who's evading here. I have asked you to explain things, simple things, where are the answers?

And what do you have to suggest that one event caused another? What do you have to suggest that these claims are even being made by a real person?
Fundamental logic? That you would even ask these...

A lot has changed in millions of years, and we live much closer together, where disease can spread much more easily.
And all the while the quality of food has fallen. You can't get around that fact and how it has affected and still affects humanity.

Yet you ignore these other factors, and insist that your fad diet is the reas
I don't ignore anything (aside your unjustified desire to have me provide you evidence while you have inserted lies as evidence, and you are on the side of the first claim). You are the one ignoring.

What health products? Link them here.
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com...
This is a message directly underneath one you linked.
Are you serious?!? A person asked for suggestions of what to do, what might work. The person was given that. The goal was not selling things, the goal was to provide help, of things to try.

And that's it? Just one? One whole forum for selling just one thing? You are ridiculous.

The person with the positive claim must provide evidence. You are claiming that if you follow the paleo diet, you will become highly resistant to common illnesses. I do not have to provide any more evidence against that claim than I have to provide against the existence of an invisible teapot orbiting the sun. You have to provide evidence.
You made the positive claim, you gave lies as "evidence". You must to provide real evidence! Until then I don't have to do sh!t, even though I already have.
I made my claims based on actual reality, on other's experience and mine, on fundamental logic, and on the medical world and what it is really like.

And you do become highly resistant to common diseases, and not just common. This is pure and simple logic, if you know enough how things really are.

And a few hours of reading anecdotal accounts and sales pitches is worth something?
Far, far more than a few hours, lots of thinking, and no sales pitches, sealed with my own experience. Worth far more than your lies and petty excuses.

So you admit that vaccines are good for conferring immunity to preventable illness when traveling, but you don't see why someone would use them to prevent illness from happening at all in any other case. Typical double standard.
Any other case, coupled with having the correct diet, would be so rare that vaccines would be far more damaging than the disease itself. So, instead of vaccines, if on the right diet and still got infected would be dealt with after begin infected.
Not double standard, but reality. If I had better to do and this weren't entertaining I'd have stopped long ago.

I assume you are referring to bacteriophages? Those are viruses that only affect bacteria, and not human cells. Their existence is irrelevant, since we are talking about viruses that attack human cells.
Did you not suggest all viruses? Weren't all viruses at some point thought of as bad, backed up by so-called "evidence"? What changed then? Someone found that they had been wrong? The same now with all this, only no real studies are being made.

Positive claims require evidence. Produce one double-blind study for your fad diet, and I will believe you.
Exactly the same goes to you, and you have the burden of proof (lies don't count).
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1/21/2014 4:59:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Our bite has changed. Our teeth have a shearing overbite instead of straight-on incisors, which is more useful for eating plants. Our gut has gotten smaller since the invention of cooking, as cooked food is more easily digested. The evolution of lactose tolerance is a perfect example of humans adapting to novel food sources.
Have you ever eaten raw meat? If you had you would know that this is a complete lie. They have not changed to eat specifically plants, they have changed to eat plants and, most importantly, animal meat.

Are you kidding me??? Cooked meat is easier to digest?? Totally speechless for a moment here... Cooked foods are harder to digest, they take longer to digest, this is a fact of reality!
On what exactly do you base your claim claim? I know from my own experience that raw foods digest faster.
You can not provide any evidence here. A raw diet has never officially been tested, and if has then those studies have not been published or are not readily available to the public.

Evolution to lactose tolerance??? There is lactose intolerance! And not all people are intolerant to it, and most of those who are are because of pasteurization.
Do some actual research!

You know that human history includes a lot of gathering edible plants for consumption, right?
You know that human history as well includes a lot of hunting animals for food, right?

Why not try a normal diet again, to see what has changed? I'd bet you'd get a lot less food poisoning from simply cooking your meat.
Are you not getting what I have said? I was on that so-called normal diet my whole life! The result of that "normal" diet was health problems that now are gone, all of them just gone. Except for the heart problem that is significantly better than it was several months ago, still healing.

Less food poisoning? I have never in my life had "food poisoning", nor after fixing my diet. You get "food poisoning" only if your body is weakened by what you call a "normal" diet (usually by having a weaker stomach acid due to cooked foods), or if you happen to get your hands on something very exotic or new.

Because individuals may respond to certain diets differently than others. If you want any evidence that can be relied on, you'd have to conduct a large-scale test.
And they do respond differently. But the problem is you say as if every individual on the planet is adapted best to eating plants only. Most humans do best on a mostly carnivorous diet, especially the closer to the poles you get, closer to equator the more fruits, generally.

Then why hasn't a large scale test been done yet?

You have stated that a paleo diet can prevent 90-95% of illness. Your reasoning is that our ancestors did it. There are a lot of things our ancestors did. They didn't live in large cities with a densely packed population, for example.
You are saying as if diseases come only from people being close together. You are so short and narrow minded to think this way.
Do some research about human health and diet, and do be wary of lies and biases.

More like subjective, anecdotal accounts.
You base this on what?

And, of course, when I point out flaws in your reasoning, you dismiss it as bias. I point to research, you say it is biased. I point out the conflict of interest that sellers of alternative health products have with their customers, and you say that I am only saying that because I am biased.
What flaws?
When I point out flaws in your reasoning you simply ignore it.
Of course I say you are biased, because you are biased, it is so obvious.

What sellers? What products? Who buys them? If they are bought then why? Why can't you see flashy ads about those products like you can see drugs being advertised?
You are biased, as you go for "they sell products" and "fad diet", without thinking objectively, and you say "provide evidence" when your own "evidence" is not evidence! You are ignorant, as you literally do not know what you are talking about. You are dumb, as you fail to make simple connections.

Please tell me where I or anyone else said that what you eat as part of your paleo-diet is unsafe and very harmful.
Up there you did say something about food poisoning, which is false. And the other guy here did say it is unsafe, even harmful.
If you didn't regard it as unsafe and harmful then why are you against it, as you regard it as "fad diet"?

If you want to call certain evidence that has been brought up flawed, then actually state what part of it is flawed and your reasoning behind thinking that.
Already did it. You ignored it.

That does not mean that it applies to all drugs.
Have I said it applies to all drugs? I have even said when there could be use for them.

There was once a time where heroin was sold as a non-addictive opiate painkiller for children. Obviously, we learned from that mistake, and that is one of the many reasons why drugs have to go through phases of testing on animals and humans before they are ever prescribed.
Obviously not enough was learned from that. Drugs should only be used when nothing else works, right now, generally, drugs are the first suggested and advised.