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PotBelliedGeek
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1/28/2014 7:19:16 PM
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I demand empirical evidence for the theory of gravity by relativity, otherwise I cannot believe in this religion.
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1/28/2014 9:56:48 PM
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He he ! In the first place people aren't as bothered by Newton's theory since it doesn't touch on crucial topics as human origin (not that others aren't important). Also, the effects of gravity (particularly the tendency to downward fall of objects) are commonplace. But then, while Newton's theory (mathematically) describes certain events well it hardy explains how 'force at a distance' works.
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1/28/2014 10:25:57 PM
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"Theory of Gravity by Relativity"? What is that? Isn't there a Theory of Gravity and a couple different Relativity Theories?
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1/28/2014 10:26:53 PM
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At 1/28/2014 9:56:48 PM, Iredia wrote:
He he ! In the first place people aren't as bothered by Newton's theory since it doesn't touch on crucial topics as human origin (not that others aren't important).

How dare you, the Theory of Gravity is of utmost concern to me because I like to be confident that I'm not going to go floating away into the sky at any given moment.
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1/29/2014 12:23:28 AM
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At 1/28/2014 10:25:57 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
"Theory of Gravity by Relativity"? What is that? Isn't there a Theory of Gravity and a couple different Relativity Theories?

Einstein proposed his own explanation gravity in his 'General theory of relativity' paper.
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1/29/2014 8:53:41 AM
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At 1/29/2014 12:23:28 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 1/28/2014 10:25:57 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
"Theory of Gravity by Relativity"? What is that? Isn't there a Theory of Gravity and a couple different Relativity Theories?


Einstein proposed his own explanation gravity in his 'General theory of relativity' paper.

Yeah, but I don't know that "theory of gravity by relativity" means anything. He might be asking for proof of the variations from Newton's equations, he might be asking for proof that gravity IS the bending of space. Mostly he just means "Evolution really is science, even though it can't be demonstrated like real science"
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1/29/2014 9:28:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 8:53:41 AM, v3nesl wrote:


Yeah, but I don't know that "theory of gravity by relativity" means anything. He might be asking for proof of the variations from Newton's equations, he might be asking for proof that gravity IS the bending of space. Mostly he just means "Evolution really is science, even though it can't be demonstrated like real science"

'Gravity is the bending of space.'

Hmmn !

It's obvious what he's getting at and I think it's ludicrous. If Newton argued that the downward fall of objects somehow evidenced the fact they were once very heavy objects in the past, his theory would likely have garnered less respect.
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1/29/2014 7:33:47 PM
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At 1/28/2014 7:19:16 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I demand empirical evidence for the theory of gravity by relativity, otherwise I cannot believe in this religion.

What is wrong with the verification of the precession of Mercury's orbit and the observation of the bending of light when passing through the sun's gravitional field during the eclipse of 1921?
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1/29/2014 8:47:19 PM
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At 1/28/2014 7:19:16 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I demand empirical evidence for the theory of gravity by relativity, otherwise I cannot believe in this religion.

Drop something, get back to us on what happened, we'll discuss it.
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1/29/2014 8:52:20 PM
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At 1/29/2014 8:47:19 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/28/2014 7:19:16 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I demand empirical evidence for the theory of gravity by relativity, otherwise I cannot believe in this religion.

Drop something, get back to us on what happened, we'll discuss it.

My pencil is floating. Wut der i do nao?
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1/30/2014 7:03:47 AM
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At 1/29/2014 8:52:20 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/29/2014 8:47:19 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/28/2014 7:19:16 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I demand empirical evidence for the theory of gravity by relativity, otherwise I cannot believe in this religion.

Drop something, get back to us on what happened, we'll discuss it.

My pencil is floating. Wut der i do nao?

I forgot to mention that it doesn't work with pencils, pencils are inherently paradoxical, that's why the number one pencil in the world is a number 2 pencil.

Try it with something else, make it something heavier....and don't use "the force", that screws up the results too.
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1/30/2014 1:17:23 PM
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At 1/30/2014 7:03:47 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/29/2014 8:52:20 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/29/2014 8:47:19 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/28/2014 7:19:16 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I demand empirical evidence for the theory of gravity by relativity, otherwise I cannot believe in this religion.

Drop something, get back to us on what happened, we'll discuss it.

My pencil is floating. Wut der i do nao?

I forgot to mention that it doesn't work with pencils, pencils are inherently paradoxical, that's why the number one pencil in the world is a number 2 pencil.

Try it with something else, make it something heavier....and don't use "the force", that screws up the results too.

Try it with a pail of water. Hold it in your hand, then swing it around in a vertical loop. You will see that the water defies the force of gravity and stays in the pail even when it is upside down over your head. Of course, if you swing it too slow, you will get wet. The formula for the required speed is g = (v^2)/r where g is the acceleration of gravity at the earth's surface, about 32 fps/s, v is velocity of the pail, and r is the radius of swing, the length of your arm. Using this formula, you will see that you have to swing the pail around at least once per second, or about 60 rpm. You can slso use this formula to calculate the speed of a satellite in orbit around the earth. Of course, if the satellite is far above the earth's surface, you hsve to adjust g to allow for that. Remember that the force of gravity is inversely proportional to the square of the distnce between them, but I am sure everyone here can handle the math.