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wateva232
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1/29/2014 6:48:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Whenever I read about quantum mechanics, it really freezes my mind and feel that my brain is burning. However weird the theories are, it just leads to trillion questions that has no answers.

Multiverse and the possibility of reincarnation is something I've been thinking about lately. If a multiverse is a reality, would that make the possibility of rearranging your atoms to become you again, in a similar universe, a statistical probability? Even if the probability is almost nothing, it still would eventually happen.

Another idea that I found compelling, if a multiverse exists, is that there are other versions of us, living in a completely different world. I know it's all hypothetical, but if a multiverse does exist, then there has to be other versions of us somewhere.

So does a multiverse, make the idea of reincarnation a statistical possibility? Even though we might not be the same people who we are now. Just like if we had amnesia and don't remember our old memories. But it could be that life, never really ends?

Think about what am trying to say and the possibility that a multiverse does exist. What implications would that have on life?
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1/29/2014 8:01:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Yeah. It does bog my mind too. Particularly when I try to understand the maths. And I thought advanced calculus is hard. My preference lies in getting the gist of theoretical concepts.

I think our lives will be pretty much the same. What helps me is in trying to draw parallels to a multiverse when I sgare at multiple images of myself of past videos of me. In a vague sense that's a multiverse of me and it isn't weird. The fact I look fatter, thinner or otherwise in a mirror or watch a younger me on tape doesn't threaten me now. In fact, it's interesting because it shows me in a way I don't consider. Maybe that's what the multiverse is about. Our universe's way of unwinding its tapestry.
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1/29/2014 11:40:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 6:48:51 PM, wateva232 wrote:
Whenever I read about quantum mechanics, it really freezes my mind and feel that my brain is burning. However weird the theories are, it just leads to trillion questions that has no answers.

Multiverse and the possibility of reincarnation is something I've been thinking about lately. If a multiverse is a reality, would that make the possibility of rearranging your atoms to become you again, in a similar universe, a statistical probability? Even if the probability is almost nothing, it still would eventually happen.

Another idea that I found compelling, if a multiverse exists, is that there are other versions of us, living in a completely different world. I know it's all hypothetical, but if a multiverse does exist, then there has to be other versions of us somewhere.

So does a multiverse, make the idea of reincarnation a statistical possibility? Even though we might not be the same people who we are now. Just like if we had amnesia and don't remember our old memories. But it could be that life, never really ends?

Think about what am trying to say and the possibility that a multiverse does exist. What implications would that have on life?

Excellent questions, my issue with all this is that first we have to confirm that we are simply made up of atoms, for instance we have already changed our body many times in this life time, The body I had when I was a baby is now replaced with an entirely new body, all the atoms that made up my baby body have been completly destroyed, But I the same self, still exist although I keep changing my body. and in the future I will still yet have a diferent body. This leads to the conclusion that we are more than simply the atoms that make up our bodies. And if the sages and poets are right, then we can assume that we are also spirit souls, which is not a material substance but a diferent form of energy that is not subject to the laws of physics, only when it is in a material body and contaminted by material nature is it forced to act according to the material body it possess.
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1/30/2014 8:44:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 11:40:20 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 1/29/2014 6:48:51 PM, wateva232 wrote:
Whenever I read about quantum mechanics, it really freezes my mind and feel that my brain is burning. However weird the theories are, it just leads to trillion questions that has no answers.

Multiverse and the possibility of reincarnation is something I've been thinking about lately. If a multiverse is a reality, would that make the possibility of rearranging your atoms to become you again, in a similar universe, a statistical probability? Even if the probability is almost nothing, it still would eventually happen.

Another idea that I found compelling, if a multiverse exists, is that there are other versions of us, living in a completely different world. I know it's all hypothetical, but if a multiverse does exist, then there has to be other versions of us somewhere.

So does a multiverse, make the idea of reincarnation a statistical possibility? Even though we might not be the same people who we are now. Just like if we had amnesia and don't remember our old memories. But it could be that life, never really ends?

Think about what am trying to say and the possibility that a multiverse does exist. What implications would that have on life?


Excellent questions, my issue with all this is that first we have to confirm that we are simply made up of atoms, for instance we have already changed our body many times in this life time, The body I had when I was a baby is now replaced with an entirely new body, all the atoms that made up my baby body have been completly destroyed, But I the same self, still exist although I keep changing my body. and in the future I will still yet have a diferent body. This leads to the conclusion that we are more than simply the atoms that make up our bodies. And if the sages and poets are right, then we can assume that we are also spirit souls, which is not a material substance but a diferent form of energy that is not subject to the laws of physics, only when it is in a material body and contaminted by material nature is it forced to act according to the material body it possess.

Well it's definitely thought provoking. Especially since we have no objective answer. Yes we are not the same "atoms" we were, when we were born. But yet, we are who we are. So is there something more to us than just being atoms? I doubt the existence of a soul, so to me that it is not a sufficient answer.

Reading about particle entanglement also makes one double think about what really makes us, us. If teleportation becomes a reality, you are not actually moving through space and time super fast. But, your atoms at location X is destroyed and copy pasted into location Y. According to the theory, we would come out the same people who we are, even if our bodies were completely destroyed. Why? According to the physics, it's the information that is stored on the particles that makes you, you.

This is very interesting in light of the multiverse hypothesis. If the atoms that contain the information that makes you, you. Then the possibility of them recollecting again to become you is infitisimely small. But, since we are talking about infinity, then this happening is actually very possible and most likely it will re-occur.

@Iredia, very similar to what am trying to say. Maybe when we die, we wake up at a different universe and thought of this life as a "dream". The possibilities are infinite, and a multiverse is definitely an interesting thing to reconsider about afterlife or reincarnation.

There is also a guy who speak about this in regards to M-theory and quantum mechanics. Here's the link: http://www.rogerebert.com...
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1/31/2014 11:12:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/30/2014 8:44:42 AM, wateva232 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 11:40:20 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 1/29/2014 6:48:51 PM, wateva232 wrote:
Whenever I read about quantum mechanics, it really freezes my mind and feel that my brain is burning. However weird the theories are, it just leads to trillion questions that has no answers.

Multiverse and the possibility of reincarnation is something I've been thinking about lately. If a multiverse is a reality, would that make the possibility of rearranging your atoms to become you again, in a similar universe, a statistical probability? Even if the probability is almost nothing, it still would eventually happen.

Another idea that I found compelling, if a multiverse exists, is that there are other versions of us, living in a completely different world. I know it's all hypothetical, but if a multiverse does exist, then there has to be other versions of us somewhere.

So does a multiverse, make the idea of reincarnation a statistical possibility? Even though we might not be the same people who we are now. Just like if we had amnesia and don't remember our old memories. But it could be that life, never really ends?

Think about what am trying to say and the possibility that a multiverse does exist. What implications would that have on life?


Excellent questions, my issue with all this is that first we have to confirm that we are simply made up of atoms, for instance we have already changed our body many times in this life time, The body I had when I was a baby is now replaced with an entirely new body, all the atoms that made up my baby body have been completly destroyed, But I the same self, still exist although I keep changing my body. and in the future I will still yet have a diferent body. This leads to the conclusion that we are more than simply the atoms that make up our bodies. And if the sages and poets are right, then we can assume that we are also spirit souls, which is not a material substance but a diferent form of energy that is not subject to the laws of physics, only when it is in a material body and contaminted by material nature is it forced to act according to the material body it possess.


Well it's definitely thought provoking. Especially since we have no objective answer. Yes we are not the same "atoms" we were, when we were born. But yet, we are who we are. So is there something more to us than just being atoms? I doubt the existence of a soul, so to me that it is not a sufficient answer.

Reading about particle entanglement also makes one double think about what really makes us, us. If teleportation becomes a reality, you are not actually moving through space and time super fast. But, your atoms at location X is destroyed and copy pasted into location Y. According to the theory, we would come out the same people who we are, even if our bodies were completely destroyed. Why? According to the physics, it's the information that is stored on the particles that makes you, you.

Actually I just gave you a very compelling argument that we are not the atoms that make up our body, but yet you still insist that we are.

What can be done?

If the facts don't fit the theory change the facts, that's all you've done.

This is very interesting in light of the multiverse hypothesis. If the atoms that contain the information that makes you, you. Then the possibility of them recollecting again to become you is infitisimely small. But, since we are talking about infinity, then this happening is actually very possible and most likely it will re-occur.


@Iredia, very similar to what am trying to say. Maybe when we die, we wake up at a different universe and thought of this life as a "dream". The possibilities are infinite, and a multiverse is definitely an interesting thing to reconsider about afterlife or reincarnation.

There is also a guy who speak about this in regards to M-theory and quantum mechanics. Here's the link: http://www.rogerebert.com...
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1/31/2014 4:00:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 8:01:55 PM, Iredia wrote:
Yeah. It does bog my mind too. Particularly when I try to understand the maths. And I thought advanced calculus is hard. My preference lies in getting the gist of theoretical concepts.

I think our lives will be pretty much the same. What helps me is in trying to draw parallels to a multiverse when I sgare at multiple images of myself of past videos of me. In a vague sense that's a multiverse of me and it isn't weird. The fact I look fatter, thinner or otherwise in a mirror or watch a younger me on tape doesn't threaten me now. In fact, it's interesting because it shows me in a way I don't consider. Maybe that's what the multiverse is about. Our universe's way of unwinding its tapestry.

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2/2/2014 7:47:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The problem with this argument is that it necessitates the plausibility of two or more persons sharing the same identity. If the Multiverse exists, the ordering of atoms that constitute "you" will not only inevitably occur again in another universe; it will happen multiple times in some universes so that there are two or more persons sharing the exact same atomic setup. According to your thought experiment, since they share the same atomic configuring, they must both be the same person. But that doesn't really make sense. How could two distinct humans be the same person?

I've thought about this at some length as well, and made a thread about almost the same thing a while ago. But I don't see how you can get past this problem. That being said, I'm at a loss where to go next since it seems like it should be correct. Why would it not be "me" if another person with the exact configuring came about in another universe. If the biology of person A is identical to mine in every respect, then we should be the same person. Each person has an unique identity, and we can say it is something about our brains or minds that cause that identity, so with the exact same brain, how could the second version not be the same person as the first? It doesn't escape the initial problem I mentioned, but I still don't think any of it makes much sense.

If not for the problem of the incoherency of one identity existing in multiple persons, this version of reincarnation seems plausible to me.
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