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2/10/2014 9:06:45 AM
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This is an argument that I am constantly seeing. "You people are just blindly following what the scientists tell you to follow while ignoring the evidence against evolution."

this forum is for discussion of the evidence against evolution. Quite frankly I have yet to see any.

This is NOT to discuss the evidence for or against creationism.

This is NOT to discuss the evidence for evolution, ONLY the evidence against evolution.
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2/10/2014 9:08:42 AM
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2/10/2014 4:28:41 PM
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At 2/10/2014 9:06:45 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
This is an argument that I am constantly seeing. "You people are just blindly following what the scientists tell you to follow while ignoring the evidence against evolution."

this forum is for discussion of the evidence against evolution. Quite frankly I have yet to see any.

This is NOT to discuss the evidence for or against creationism.

This is NOT to discuss the evidence for evolution, ONLY the evidence against evolution.

There isn't any, but here are some hypotheticals:

1. We find the ruins of a human city dating to 65 million years ago.

2. We find the remains of Noah's Ark, and it contains fossils from every time period (that are all the same age).

3. DNA is revealed to be a hallucination caused by flouride in the water (no DNA means no unit for Natural Selection to act on).

4. We invent time travel and find that Genesis was correct all along.
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2/10/2014 4:31:15 PM
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At 2/10/2014 4:28:41 PM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 9:06:45 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
This is an argument that I am constantly seeing. "You people are just blindly following what the scientists tell you to follow while ignoring the evidence against evolution."

this forum is for discussion of the evidence against evolution. Quite frankly I have yet to see any.

This is NOT to discuss the evidence for or against creationism.

This is NOT to discuss the evidence for evolution, ONLY the evidence against evolution.

There isn't any, but here are some hypotheticals:

1. We find the ruins of a human city dating to 65 million years ago.

2. We find the remains of Noah's Ark, and it contains fossils from every time period (that are all the same age).

3. DNA is revealed to be a hallucination caused by flouride in the water (no DNA means no unit for Natural Selection to act on).

4. We invent time travel and find that Genesis was correct all along.

If any one of these things happen, I will drop any and all belief in evolution.
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2/10/2014 7:43:56 PM
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This is a bummer. I was looking forward to a fulfilling discussion on the subject. I am forced to conclude that there is no evidence against evolution, and that those who claim that there is are simply parrots, repeating what they are told.
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2/10/2014 7:49:47 PM
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The Earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rate of 5% every hundred years.(1)

Assuming that this rate has been constant, the strength of the magnetic field would have been sufficient to melt the planet a mere 10,000 years ago! This does not allow Evolution enough time to evolve Humans from Bacteria.

There you go. Have fun!

(1) K.L. McDonald and R.H. Gunst, "An analysis of the earth"s magnetic field from 1835 to 1965," ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES 1, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington, 1967.
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2/10/2014 9:29:43 PM
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At 2/10/2014 7:49:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
The Earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rate of 5% every hundred years.(1)

Assuming that this rate has been constant, the strength of the magnetic field would have been sufficient to melt the planet a mere 10,000 years ago! This does not allow Evolution enough time to evolve Humans from Bacteria.

There you go. Have fun!

(1) K.L. McDonald and R.H. Gunst, "An analysis of the earth"s magnetic field from 1835 to 1965," ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES 1, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington, 1967.

I think you may have the theory wrong. Are you saying if a person gets into a MRI machine which have a magnetic field of over 1 T that they will burn up?

I believe the theory is that the magnetic field did not exist 10,000 years ago which would allow radiation to hit the earth and would not allow anything living to live. Get your anti evolution science straight!

Not to mention pottery that was thousands of years old and contained iron had an alignment that was indicative of a field that was weaker than today, so empirical evidence points to variation in the field not a exponential curve.
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2/10/2014 9:34:55 PM
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At 2/10/2014 9:29:43 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 7:49:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
The Earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rate of 5% every hundred years.(1)

Assuming that this rate has been constant, the strength of the magnetic field would have been sufficient to melt the planet a mere 10,000 years ago! This does not allow Evolution enough time to evolve Humans from Bacteria.

There you go. Have fun!

(1) K.L. McDonald and R.H. Gunst, "An analysis of the earth"s magnetic field from 1835 to 1965," ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES 1, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington, 1967.

I think you may have the theory wrong.

Nope, that's what the author of Foundations of Electricity and Magnetism predicted.(2)

Not to mention pottery that was thousands of years old and contained iron had an alignment that was indicative of a field that was weaker than today, so empirical evidence points to variation in the field not a exponential curve.

Source please!

(2) T.G. Barnes, Foundations of Electricity and Magnetism, 3rd ed., El Paso, Texas, 1977
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2/11/2014 12:43:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 7:49:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
The Earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rate of 5% every hundred years.(1)

Assuming that this rate has been constant, the strength of the magnetic field would have been sufficient to melt the planet a mere 10,000 years ago! This does not allow Evolution enough time to evolve Humans from Bacteria.

There you go. Have fun!

(1) K.L. McDonald and R.H. Gunst, "An analysis of the earth"s magnetic field from 1835 to 1965," ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES 1, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington, 1967.

I'm running some numbers from this experiment. It appears to have a blatant application error here, but I'll get back to you tomorrow.
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2/11/2014 1:55:00 AM
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At 2/10/2014 9:06:45 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
This is an argument that I am constantly seeing. "You people are just blindly following what the scientists tell you to follow while ignoring the evidence against evolution."

this forum is for discussion of the evidence against evolution. Quite frankly I have yet to see any.

This is NOT to discuss the evidence for or against creationism.

This is NOT to discuss the evidence for evolution, ONLY the evidence against evolution.

Interesting topic, PBG. I look forward to this discussion.
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2/11/2014 4:50:31 AM
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At 2/11/2014 4:18:35 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Cambrian Explosion.

Don't just assert, state how it is evidence against evolution or how it violates the theory.
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2/11/2014 4:52:23 AM
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At 2/11/2014 4:50:31 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:18:35 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Cambrian Explosion.

Don't just assert, state how it is evidence against evolution or how it violates the theory.

If you understand anything about Darwinian evolution it should be obvious how it violates the theory.
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2/11/2014 5:15:18 AM
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At 2/11/2014 4:52:23 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:50:31 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:18:35 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Cambrian Explosion.

Don't just assert, state how it is evidence against evolution or how it violates the theory.

If you understand anything about Darwinian evolution it should be obvious how it violates the theory.

So you're not going to bother explaining how? Then we can just ignore it...

If the thread's name was 'Evidence against gravity' and you shout 'Aeroplanes', don't expect anybody to listen to you unless you explain how it does so
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2/11/2014 5:20:39 AM
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At 2/11/2014 5:15:18 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:52:23 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:50:31 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:18:35 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Cambrian Explosion.

Don't just assert, state how it is evidence against evolution or how it violates the theory.

If you understand anything about Darwinian evolution it should be obvious how it violates the theory.

So you're not going to bother explaining how? Then we can just ignore it...

If the thread's name was 'Evidence against gravity' and you shout 'Aeroplanes', don't expect anybody to listen to you unless you explain how it does so

I don't need to explain why the Cambrian Explosion shows Darwinian evolution is wrong for the same reason I don't need to put a "don't stick a fork into this" sign onto every plug that's installed in my house.

If you can't follow along, you're a moron.
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2/11/2014 5:22:45 AM
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At 2/11/2014 5:20:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:15:18 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:52:23 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:50:31 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:18:35 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Cambrian Explosion.

Don't just assert, state how it is evidence against evolution or how it violates the theory.

If you understand anything about Darwinian evolution it should be obvious how it violates the theory.

So you're not going to bother explaining how? Then we can just ignore it...

If the thread's name was 'Evidence against gravity' and you shout 'Aeroplanes', don't expect anybody to listen to you unless you explain how it does so

I don't need to explain why the Cambrian Explosion shows Darwinian evolution is wrong for the same reason I don't need to put a "don't stick a fork into this" sign onto every plug that's installed in my house.

If you can't follow along, you're a moron.

So we can just ignore you then? Ok.
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2/11/2014 5:25:31 AM
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At 2/11/2014 5:22:45 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:20:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:15:18 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:52:23 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:50:31 AM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:18:35 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Cambrian Explosion.

Don't just assert, state how it is evidence against evolution or how it violates the theory.

If you understand anything about Darwinian evolution it should be obvious how it violates the theory.

So you're not going to bother explaining how? Then we can just ignore it...

If the thread's name was 'Evidence against gravity' and you shout 'Aeroplanes', don't expect anybody to listen to you unless you explain how it does so

I don't need to explain why the Cambrian Explosion shows Darwinian evolution is wrong for the same reason I don't need to put a "don't stick a fork into this" sign onto every plug that's installed in my house.

If you can't follow along, you're a moron.

So we can just ignore you then? Ok.

*sigh*

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_Explosion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tree_of_life

Read or don't breed.
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2/11/2014 5:52:29 AM
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At 2/11/2014 5:25:31 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
*sigh*

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_Explosion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tree_of_life

Read or don't breed.

Ignored, tidy up the attitude please.
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2/11/2014 9:26:00 AM
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At 2/10/2014 9:34:55 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/10/2014 9:29:43 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 7:49:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
The Earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rate of 5% every hundred years.(1)

Assuming that this rate has been constant, the strength of the magnetic field would have been sufficient to melt the planet a mere 10,000 years ago! This does not allow Evolution enough time to evolve Humans from Bacteria.

There you go. Have fun!

(1) K.L. McDonald and R.H. Gunst, "An analysis of the earth"s magnetic field from 1835 to 1965," ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES 1, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington, 1967.

I think you may have the theory wrong.

Nope, that's what the author of Foundations of Electricity and Magnetism predicted.(2)

Not to mention pottery that was thousands of years old and contained iron had an alignment that was indicative of a field that was weaker than today, so empirical evidence points to variation in the field not a exponential curve.

Source please!

(2) T.G. Barnes, Foundations of Electricity and Magnetism, 3rd ed., El Paso, Texas, 1977

Dude, no where in the paper does it say that the magnetic field would melt the earth. It is empirical measurements over 150 years, which when extrapolated in an exponential decay rate show that between 6 and 8k years ago the strength would have been in the upper theoretical limits, but make no question the assumption of a steady decay rate based upon 150 years of data is an assumption. The guys model is built upon theoretical happy path and does not consider any other variables.

The other fundamental problem is that this data when being extrapolated to the past has to fit other empirical evidence of magnetic pole reversals. Geologists and most creationists agree with the existence of magnetic pole reversals. Again they disagree on the timing of them. A good geologist says they happen at rather regular intervals every 1/2 million to million years, but admit we don't know enough about the mechanisms of it.

A creationist says that the different layers with pole reversal evidence, about 5 reversals, were all laid down during Noah's flood a matter of years, but have no scientific basis of what may drive a series of rapid pole reversals.

This guy explains how the evidence of a declining field fits into the other creationist hypothosis of the great flood.
http://creation.com...

As far as the pottery showing a weaker field than today? I had wrong was 5 to 6k years ago. Have to look up McElhinny & Senanayake 1982 for the data on being weaker 5 to 6k years ago.

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2/11/2014 10:40:52 AM
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At 2/11/2014 4:18:35 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Cambrian Explosion.

Au contrair, the Cambrian explosion is one of the strongest proofs in favor of it. Besides, if you are a YEC, you don't believe the Cambrian explosion exists.
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2/11/2014 11:02:10 AM
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At 2/10/2014 7:49:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
The Earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rate of 5% every hundred years.(1)

Assuming that this rate has been constant, the strength of the magnetic field would have been sufficient to melt the planet a mere 10,000 years ago! This does not allow Evolution enough time to evolve Humans from Bacteria.

There you go. Have fun!

(1) K.L. McDonald and R.H. Gunst, "An analysis of the earth"s magnetic field from 1835 to 1965," ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES 1, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington, 1967.

Rocks from the mid-Atlantic ridge show that the earths magnetic field changes polarity about every 450K years. The magnetic field is currently reducing but will increase again but with opposite polarity.

The age of the earth can be accurately found from radiometric dating of rocks. Also we can look at rock stratification and estimate how long it takes to lay down the number of layers seen.
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2/11/2014 2:38:39 PM
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At 2/11/2014 11:10:47 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
And we have blown away one argument. Next, please.

2-0

It's actually 0-0. InstallGento didn't provide an argument, and I haven't had a chance to respond to rebuttals yet!

I'll get to it when I have a chance, soon.
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2/11/2014 2:45:58 PM
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2/11/2014 3:32:42 PM
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At 2/11/2014 2:38:39 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/11/2014 11:10:47 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
And we have blown away one argument. Next, please.

2-0

It's actually 0-0. InstallGento didn't provide an argument, and I haven't had a chance to respond to rebuttals yet!

I'll get to it when I have a chance, soon.

Heeeeey. Very good! You should go for stand up.
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2/11/2014 4:13:35 PM
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At 2/11/2014 3:32:42 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/11/2014 2:38:39 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/11/2014 11:10:47 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
And we have blown away one argument. Next, please.

2-0

It's actually 0-0. InstallGento didn't provide an argument, and I haven't had a chance to respond to rebuttals yet!

I'll get to it when I have a chance, soon.

Heeeeey. Very good! You should go for stand up.

You're a douche. And maybe it's 1-0, but I'm going to see about that when I have a chance.
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2/11/2014 4:30:16 PM
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At 2/10/2014 7:49:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
The Earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rate of 5% every hundred years.(1)

Assuming that this rate has been constant, the strength of the magnetic field would have been sufficient to melt the planet a mere 10,000 years ago! This does not allow Evolution enough time to evolve Humans from Bacteria.

There you go. Have fun!

(1) K.L. McDonald and R.H. Gunst, "An analysis of the earth"s magnetic field from 1835 to 1965," ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES 1, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington, 1967.

I'd like to point out that 150 years is not a long enough time period to extrapolate data over geological timescales(thousands to billions of years.)
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2/11/2014 4:35:22 PM
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At 2/11/2014 4:30:16 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/10/2014 7:49:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
The Earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rate of 5% every hundred years.(1)

Assuming that this rate has been constant, the strength of the magnetic field would have been sufficient to melt the planet a mere 10,000 years ago! This does not allow Evolution enough time to evolve Humans from Bacteria.

There you go. Have fun!

(1) K.L. McDonald and R.H. Gunst, "An analysis of the earth"s magnetic field from 1835 to 1965," ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES 1, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington, 1967.

I'd like to point out that 150 years is not a long enough time period to extrapolate data over geological timescales(thousands to billions of years.)

In that case, you can't extrapolate the observed data of speciation and mutations to conclude Universal Common Descent.

So, if I were you, I'd retract that statement ;)
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2/11/2014 4:39:09 PM
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Judging from some of the comments in this thread, we need more emphasis on Science in the school curriculum.