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2/10/2014 3:29:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I've noticed that many creationist don't seem to truly understand the theory of evolution. So in response to that I created this thread as a question and answer for evolution; people can ask questions about the theory of evolution and "evolutionists" will answer the questions. By really understanding evolution and clearing up the common misconceptions I think it would benefit both "evolutionists" and creationists.
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2/10/2014 5:12:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 3:29:45 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
I've noticed that many creationist don't seem to truly understand the theory of evolution. So in response to that I created this thread as a question and answer for evolution; people can ask questions about the theory of evolution and "evolutionists" will answer the questions. By really understanding evolution and clearing up the common misconceptions I think it would benefit both "evolutionists" and creationists.

I volunteer to answer questions.

Unfortunately, most people think they know better than those who are actually educated in the field. I don't think k this will have many takers.
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2/11/2014 1:31:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 1:12:21 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
What do you think of Francis Collins?

Francis Collins the scientist - made one of the most important progressive steps in molecular biology. The human genome project took 11 years and as a result the door of this pioneering work the door has opened to early inheritable disease detection & treatment, highlighting of an individual's cancer risk factors (Angelina Jolie is one successful example), and of course being able to conclusively confirm the evolutionary tree and the ability to make quantitative evolutionary predictions and analysis' with it.

Today you can have your entire genome sequenced for <$1500, and this is expected to continue to fall over the coming years - eventually (hopefully) falling into mainstream medicine.
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2/11/2014 1:56:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 1:31:49 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:12:21 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
What do you think of Francis Collins?

Francis Collins the scientist - made one of the most important progressive steps in molecular biology. The human genome project took 11 years and as a result the door of this pioneering work the door has opened to early inheritable disease detection & treatment, highlighting of an individual's cancer risk factors (Angelina Jolie is one successful example), and of course being able to conclusively confirm the evolutionary tree and the ability to make quantitative evolutionary predictions and analysis' with it.

Today you can have your entire genome sequenced for <$1500, and this is expected to continue to fall over the coming years - eventually (hopefully) falling into mainstream medicine.
True True, I like Francis Collins. He's very smart and wise.
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2/11/2014 2:24:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 1:56:27 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:31:49 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:12:21 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
What do you think of Francis Collins?

Francis Collins the scientist - made one of the most important progressive steps in molecular biology. The human genome project took 11 years and as a result the door of this pioneering work the door has opened to early inheritable disease detection & treatment, highlighting of an individual's cancer risk factors (Angelina Jolie is one successful example), and of course being able to conclusively confirm the evolutionary tree and the ability to make quantitative evolutionary predictions and analysis' with it.

Today you can have your entire genome sequenced for <$1500, and this is expected to continue to fall over the coming years - eventually (hopefully) falling into mainstream medicine.
True True, I like Francis Collins. He's very smart and wise.

Let's stay on track please.
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2/11/2014 2:26:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 2:24:01 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:56:27 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:31:49 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:12:21 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
What do you think of Francis Collins?

Francis Collins the scientist - made one of the most important progressive steps in molecular biology. The human genome project took 11 years and as a result the door of this pioneering work the door has opened to early inheritable disease detection & treatment, highlighting of an individual's cancer risk factors (Angelina Jolie is one successful example), and of course being able to conclusively confirm the evolutionary tree and the ability to make quantitative evolutionary predictions and analysis' with it.

Today you can have your entire genome sequenced for <$1500, and this is expected to continue to fall over the coming years - eventually (hopefully) falling into mainstream medicine.
True True, I like Francis Collins. He's very smart and wise.

Let's stay on track please.

I brought up Francis Collins because he's a Theistic Evolutionist.
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2/11/2014 2:43:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 2:26:58 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 2:24:01 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:56:27 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:31:49 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:12:21 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
What do you think of Francis Collins?

Francis Collins the scientist - made one of the most important progressive steps in molecular biology. The human genome project took 11 years and as a result the door of this pioneering work the door has opened to early inheritable disease detection & treatment, highlighting of an individual's cancer risk factors (Angelina Jolie is one successful example), and of course being able to conclusively confirm the evolutionary tree and the ability to make quantitative evolutionary predictions and analysis' with it.

Today you can have your entire genome sequenced for <$1500, and this is expected to continue to fall over the coming years - eventually (hopefully) falling into mainstream medicine.
True True, I like Francis Collins. He's very smart and wise.

Let's stay on track please.

I brought up Francis Collins because he's a Theistic Evolutionist.

Figured as much, Kenneth Miller too who wrote one of the Biology textbooks for Texas and one of most important opponents NCSE had against the ID movement (Kitzmiller vs Dover 2005). I actually quite liked his book 'Finding Darwin's God' - check it out if you get the chance.

A good fraction (>15% as a conservative estimate) of working biologists believe in a god as well as an even greater fraction of religious that accept evolution (see link) - which is why it's upsetting when such unnecessary antiscience movements come as a result of it.

http://www.pewforum.org...
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2/11/2014 2:48:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 2:43:45 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 2:26:58 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 2:24:01 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:56:27 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:31:49 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 1:12:21 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
What do you think of Francis Collins?

Francis Collins the scientist - made one of the most important progressive steps in molecular biology. The human genome project took 11 years and as a result the door of this pioneering work the door has opened to early inheritable disease detection & treatment, highlighting of an individual's cancer risk factors (Angelina Jolie is one successful example), and of course being able to conclusively confirm the evolutionary tree and the ability to make quantitative evolutionary predictions and analysis' with it.

Today you can have your entire genome sequenced for <$1500, and this is expected to continue to fall over the coming years - eventually (hopefully) falling into mainstream medicine.
True True, I like Francis Collins. He's very smart and wise.

Let's stay on track please.

I brought up Francis Collins because he's a Theistic Evolutionist.

Figured as much, Kenneth Miller too who wrote one of the Biology textbooks for Texas and one of most important opponents NCSE had against the ID movement (Kitzmiller vs Dover 2005). I actually quite liked his book 'Finding Darwin's God' - check it out if you get the chance.

Sounds good...I'll have to read it sometime.

A good fraction (>15% as a conservative estimate) of working biologists believe in a god as well as an even greater fraction of religious that accept evolution (see link) - which is why it's upsetting when such unnecessary antiscience movements come as a result of it.

http://www.pewforum.org...

Yeah that's upsetting to think that Science somehow disproves Religion. I as a Christian am very open to Evolution. I'm just not there yet. I'm in the middle between Old-Earth Creationism and Theistic Evolution.
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2/11/2014 4:10:21 PM
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At 2/11/2014 3:41:18 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Do deer and Giraffes have a common ancestor?

Yes they shared one 25 million years ago.
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2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM
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PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)
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2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM
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At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.
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2/11/2014 5:02:15 PM
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At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.

Talkorigins has a pretty decent index if these - and it links to the original scientific papers where they were first published and peer reviewed. Personally I like the whale's evolutionary sequence the most :-)

http://www.talkorigins.org...
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2/11/2014 5:05:08 PM
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At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
http://upload.wikimedia.org... NOTE: Australopithecus Afarensis
http://upload.wikimedia.org... Cetacean Transitional fossil
http://upload.wikimedia.org... Cetacean Transitional fossil
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
Transitional fossil between fish and tetrapods
http://en.wikipedia.org...
I'd also like to show you this quote about it: Amphistium is a 50-million-year-old fossil fish identified as an early relative of the flatfish, and as a transitional fossil. In Amphistium, the transition from the typical symmetric head of a vertebrate is incomplete, with one eye placed near the top-center of the head.[36] Paleontologists concluded that "the change happened gradually, in a way consistent with evolution via natural selection"not suddenly, as researchers once had little choice but to believe."
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2/11/2014 5:06:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 5:02:15 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.

Talkorigins has a pretty decent index if these - and it links to the original scientific papers where they were first published and peer reviewed. Personally I like the whale's evolutionary sequence the most :-)

http://www.talkorigins.org...

Thanks! That's very cool looking.

In return, would you like me to cite you some peer-reviwed articles on Jesus of Nazreth and the facts leading up to his resurrection? (I understand if you don't want me to. I just thought I would return the offer of evidence:D)
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2/11/2014 5:07:22 PM
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At 2/11/2014 5:06:01 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:02:15 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.

Talkorigins has a pretty decent index if these - and it links to the original scientific papers where they were first published and peer reviewed. Personally I like the whale's evolutionary sequence the most :-)

http://www.talkorigins.org...

Thanks! That's very cool looking.

In return, would you like me to cite you some peer-reviwed articles on Jesus of Nazreth and the facts leading up to his resurrection? (I understand if you don't want me to. I just thought I would return the offer of evidence:D)

If you want.
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2/11/2014 5:07:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 5:05:08 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
http://upload.wikimedia.org... NOTE: Australopithecus Afarensis
http://upload.wikimedia.org... Cetacean Transitional fossil
http://upload.wikimedia.org... Cetacean Transitional fossil
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
Transitional fossil between fish and tetrapods
http://en.wikipedia.org...
I'd also like to show you this quote about it: Amphistium is a 50-million-year-old fossil fish identified as an early relative of the flatfish, and as a transitional fossil. In Amphistium, the transition from the typical symmetric head of a vertebrate is incomplete, with one eye placed near the top-center of the head.[36] Paleontologists concluded that "the change happened gradually, in a way consistent with evolution via natural selection"not suddenly, as researchers once had little choice but to believe."

These look interesting. Any articles you want me to cite you on Jesus of Nazareth?
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2/11/2014 5:07:56 PM
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At 2/11/2014 5:06:01 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:02:15 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.

Talkorigins has a pretty decent index if these - and it links to the original scientific papers where they were first published and peer reviewed. Personally I like the whale's evolutionary sequence the most :-)

http://www.talkorigins.org...

Thanks! That's very cool looking.

In return, would you like me to cite you some peer-reviwed articles on Jesus of Nazreth and the facts leading up to his resurrection? (I understand if you don't want me to. I just thought I would return the offer of evidence:D)

Uh, sure but please do so in a PM/different topic, to save hijacking this thread
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2/11/2014 5:08:44 PM
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At 2/11/2014 5:07:35 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:05:08 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
http://upload.wikimedia.org... NOTE: Australopithecus Afarensis
http://upload.wikimedia.org... Cetacean Transitional fossil
http://upload.wikimedia.org... Cetacean Transitional fossil
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
Transitional fossil between fish and tetrapods
http://en.wikipedia.org...
I'd also like to show you this quote about it: Amphistium is a 50-million-year-old fossil fish identified as an early relative of the flatfish, and as a transitional fossil. In Amphistium, the transition from the typical symmetric head of a vertebrate is incomplete, with one eye placed near the top-center of the head.[36] Paleontologists concluded that "the change happened gradually, in a way consistent with evolution via natural selection"not suddenly, as researchers once had little choice but to believe."

These look interesting. Any articles you want me to cite you on Jesus of Nazareth?

Okay.
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2/11/2014 5:09:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 5:07:56 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:06:01 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:02:15 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.

Talkorigins has a pretty decent index if these - and it links to the original scientific papers where they were first published and peer reviewed. Personally I like the whale's evolutionary sequence the most :-)

http://www.talkorigins.org...

Thanks! That's very cool looking.

In return, would you like me to cite you some peer-reviwed articles on Jesus of Nazreth and the facts leading up to his resurrection? (I understand if you don't want me to. I just thought I would return the offer of evidence:D)

Uh, sure but please do so in a PM/different topic, to save hijacking this thread

Sure thing. I can PM if you want me to.
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2/11/2014 5:12:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2014 5:08:44 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:07:35 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:05:08 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
http://upload.wikimedia.org... NOTE: Australopithecus Afarensis
http://upload.wikimedia.org... Cetacean Transitional fossil
http://upload.wikimedia.org... Cetacean Transitional fossil
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
Transitional fossil between fish and tetrapods
http://en.wikipedia.org...
I'd also like to show you this quote about it: Amphistium is a 50-million-year-old fossil fish identified as an early relative of the flatfish, and as a transitional fossil. In Amphistium, the transition from the typical symmetric head of a vertebrate is incomplete, with one eye placed near the top-center of the head.[36] Paleontologists concluded that "the change happened gradually, in a way consistent with evolution via natural selection"not suddenly, as researchers once had little choice but to believe."

These look interesting. Any articles you want me to cite you on Jesus of Nazareth?

Okay.

Maybe I should do it another time since it's not relevant to your forum...sorry.

I find it interesting that many ancient organisms were much bigger than today. I wonder if their enviornment had much to do with it?

I remember my Earth and Space Science teacher handing us some of those fossils that he had from the past. Like tetrapods and various types of fish.

He even had fossilized poop.
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2/11/2014 5:25:35 PM
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At 2/11/2014 5:07:56 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:06:01 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 5:02:15 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:56:48 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/11/2014 4:12:42 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
PLEASE TRY TO KEEP MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON EVOLUTION RATHER THAN RELATED ISSUES.(nac)

Alright. How about pictures of transitional fossils? or are most of the transitional fossils ruined or lost.

Talkorigins has a pretty decent index if these - and it links to the original scientific papers where they were first published and peer reviewed. Personally I like the whale's evolutionary sequence the most :-)

http://www.talkorigins.org...

Thanks! That's very cool looking.

In return, would you like me to cite you some peer-reviwed articles on Jesus of Nazreth and the facts leading up to his resurrection? (I understand if you don't want me to. I just thought I would return the offer of evidence:D)

Uh, sure but please do so in a PM/different topic, to save hijacking this thread

http://www.debate.org... Here's the link to the other forum with the peer-reviewed articles.(It only let's you preview the articles unfortunately,, but it gives some information that you can read)