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3/11/2014 6:20:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/11/2014 1:14:17 PM, pozessed wrote:
You can watch it here http://www.fox.com...

Thank you for the post..I did miss it.
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3/12/2014 2:54:23 PM
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The executive producer of the new Cosmos is Seth MacFarlane -- the same Seth MacFarlane who produces Family Guy. There is a good interview with MacFarlane and the other principals here: http://tinyurl.com...

The idea of remaking Cosmos was taken to "the usual suspects" -- I assume PBS -- but was ultimately sponsored by Fox. Only Fox would give the show producers creative control.

The show is more about science appreciation that science education. My observation is that while religious people cite awe of the universe as reason for believing in God, the universe is more awesome if you believe it is natural rather than created and supervised. I remember a documentary about anthropologists who dropped in on a completely isolated tribe in New Guinea who had no previous contact with the modern world. The anthropologists showed the tribe video recording and playback. They were unimpressed. It was, "Yeah, sure, that's magic. Happens all the time, like when the witch doctor makes it rain." Magic resists awe.

Random note: The opening sequence show Neil Tyson on the California coast. The Bixby Bridge, subject of many beer and car commercials, is in the background. That's on Highway 1 about ten miles south of Carmel. It should be on everyone's list of awesome places to visit.
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3/13/2014 12:09:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/12/2014 2:54:23 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
The executive producer of the new Cosmos is Seth MacFarlane -- the same Seth MacFarlane who produces Family Guy. There is a good interview with MacFarlane and the other principals here: http://tinyurl.com...

The idea of remaking Cosmos was taken to "the usual suspects" -- I assume PBS -- but was ultimately sponsored by Fox. Only Fox would give the show producers creative control.

The show is more about science appreciation that science education. My observation is that while religious people cite awe of the universe as reason for believing in God, the universe is more awesome if you believe it is natural rather than created and supervised. I remember a documentary about anthropologists who dropped in on a completely isolated tribe in New Guinea who had no previous contact with the modern world. The anthropologists showed the tribe video recording and playback. They were unimpressed. It was, "Yeah, sure, that's magic. Happens all the time, like when the witch doctor makes it rain." Magic resists awe.

Random note: The opening sequence show Neil Tyson on the California coast. The Bixby Bridge, subject of many beer and car commercials, is in the background. That's on Highway 1 about ten miles south of Carmel. It should be on everyone's list of awesome places to visit.

Very cool! I was intrigued by the plants growing at the bottom of the cliff (on the rocks) getting pounded by the waves, but seem completely healthy (as far as the background goes, anyway). Beautiful area. Also, who doesn't love Neil Degrasse Tyson!?
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3/13/2014 6:25:19 AM
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At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

"Carl Edward Sagan (/G2;se=8;ɡən/; November 9, 1934 " December 20, 1996) was an American astronomer, astrophysicist, cosmologist,"

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Um, sure.
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3/13/2014 9:05:09 AM
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At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

The new Cosmos series is hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson, American astrophysicist and director of the Hayden Planetarium. Carl Sagan died 16 years ago, which means his involvement is minimal. However, you are free to not watch on the grounds that won't watch anything hosted by someone inspired inspired, by Carl Sagan who you deem not a real scientist. Actually, in either case the role of host doesn't really require being a scientist.
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3/13/2014 9:15:46 AM
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At 3/13/2014 12:09:37 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
Very cool! I was intrigued by the plants growing at the bottom of the cliff (on the rocks) getting pounded by the waves, but seem completely healthy (as far as the background goes, anyway). Beautiful area.

One type of plant that amazes me is the sea palm, which looks like a foot-tall rubber palm tree growing on the rocks. They grow in "forests" and are continually pounded by heavy surf, always springing back upright.

Also, who doesn't love Neil Degrasse Tyson!?

Tyson shares Sagan's enthusiasm!
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3/13/2014 9:16:44 AM
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At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

Really? You need to learn to use your resources. Carl Sagan was a real scientist, and so is Neil degrasse Tyson.
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3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM
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At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'
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3/14/2014 3:09:05 AM
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At 3/11/2014 1:14:17 PM, pozessed wrote:
You can watch it here http://www.fox.com...

I miss the old Cosmos...
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3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM
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At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.
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3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM
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At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'
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3/14/2014 5:32:30 AM
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At 3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'

Both.
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3/14/2014 5:35:18 AM
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At 3/14/2014 5:32:30 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'

Both.

http://www.jstor.org...
http://scholar.google.com.au...
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3/14/2014 5:37:42 AM
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At 3/14/2014 5:35:18 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:32:30 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'

Both.

http://www.jstor.org...
http://scholar.google.com.au...

So he co-authored a few science papers. Wow. Such accomplishment.
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3/14/2014 5:38:29 AM
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At 3/14/2014 5:35:18 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:32:30 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'

Both.

http://www.jstor.org...
http://scholar.google.com.au...

So he co-authored a few science papers. Wow. Such an accomplishment.
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3/14/2014 5:42:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/14/2014 5:37:42 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:35:18 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:32:30 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'

Both.

http://www.jstor.org...
http://scholar.google.com.au...

So he co-authored a few science papers. Wow. Such accomplishment.

What are you trying to say?
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3/14/2014 10:31:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/14/2014 5:42:01 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:37:42 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:35:18 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:32:30 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'

Both.

http://www.jstor.org...
http://scholar.google.com.au...

So he co-authored a few science papers. Wow. Such accomplishment.

What are you trying to say?

I think he is trying to say he doesn't like Carl Sagan and refuses to accept that he was a real scientist.
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3/14/2014 9:06:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/14/2014 5:37:42 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:35:18 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:32:30 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'

Both.

http://www.jstor.org...
http://scholar.google.com.au...

So he co-authored a few science papers. Wow. Such accomplishment.

The first 11 showing on JSTOR are solely authored by Sagan, and co-authorship is incredibly common in scientific papers to the point where it isn't worth downplaying. Very ignore. Such deny. Wow.
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3/14/2014 9:21:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/14/2014 9:06:18 PM, drhead wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:37:42 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:35:18 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:32:30 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:30:57 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/14/2014 5:18:01 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 3/14/2014 3:03:33 AM, etherealvoyager wrote:
At 3/13/2014 6:09:20 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Carl Sagan was not a real scientist. I refuse to watch anything by him on that account, no matter how popular Cosmos is with reddit.

I would love that you expand on why Sagan was not a 'real scientist'

He never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper. According to the atheist fundies wathing his work, that makes him a non-scientist.

Wait, are you saying that 'atheist fundies' are saying he's a non-scientist because he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper,' or are you claiming that he 'never wrote a peer-reviewed scientific paper?'

Both.

http://www.jstor.org...
http://scholar.google.com.au...

So he co-authored a few science papers. Wow. Such accomplishment.

The first 11 showing on JSTOR are solely authored by Sagan, and co-authorship is incredibly common in scientific papers to the point where it isn't worth downplaying. Very ignore. Such deny. Wow.

I counted 41 on Google Scholar. Some may be other versions of the same paper, though.