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5/10/2014 4:43:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Does anyone have any scientific studies which assign female attraction to different shoulder to (waist or hip) ratios?

I found one sort of, all it says is

" There were diminishing returns to increased height, penis size, and shoulder-to-hip ratio (quadratic selection: P = 0.010, 0.006 and < 0.0001) ["B" in Table 1] and, given the good fit of the linear and quadratic models, the optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range (i.e., maxima are >2 SD from the population mean for each trait) (Fig. 2). A model using only linear and quadratic selection on the shoulder-to-hip ratio accounted for 79.6% of variation in relative attractiveness scores (centered to remove differences among women in their average attractiveness scores)."

- http://www.pnas.org...

They are far more interested in penis size (yawn) though. Any actual numbers out there?
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5/10/2014 7:36:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 4:43:09 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Does anyone have any scientific studies which assign female attraction to different shoulder to (waist or hip) ratios?

I found one sort of, all it says is

" There were diminishing returns to increased height, penis size, and shoulder-to-hip ratio (quadratic selection: P = 0.010, 0.006 and < 0.0001) ["B" in Table 1] and, given the good fit of the linear and quadratic models, the optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range (i.e., maxima are >2 SD from the population mean for each trait) (Fig. 2). A model using only linear and quadratic selection on the shoulder-to-hip ratio accounted for 79.6% of variation in relative attractiveness scores (centered to remove differences among women in their average attractiveness scores)."

- http://www.pnas.org...

They are far more interested in penis size (yawn) though. Any actual numbers out there?

In real life or artistically? The golden ratio comparing shoulders to hip is pleasant. But the beauty is also cultural. The use of the golden ration means most people of all cultures will find the subject attractive. But the more you know about your audience the better you achieve the local beauty.

But if you are looking for real life for sculpture try this http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org...

If you are asking for your own body image. You can not change this feature. Work on eating right, working out, and be happy. All these things make you more gorgeous than you already are.
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5/11/2014 4:20:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 7:36:11 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/10/2014 4:43:09 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Does anyone have any scientific studies which assign female attraction to different shoulder to (waist or hip) ratios?

I found one sort of, all it says is

" There were diminishing returns to increased height, penis size, and shoulder-to-hip ratio (quadratic selection: P = 0.010, 0.006 and < 0.0001) ["B" in Table 1] and, given the good fit of the linear and quadratic models, the optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range (i.e., maxima are >2 SD from the population mean for each trait) (Fig. 2). A model using only linear and quadratic selection on the shoulder-to-hip ratio accounted for 79.6% of variation in relative attractiveness scores (centered to remove differences among women in their average attractiveness scores)."

- http://www.pnas.org...

They are far more interested in penis size (yawn) though. Any actual numbers out there?

In real life or artistically? The golden ratio comparing shoulders to hip is pleasant. But the beauty is also cultural. The use of the golden ration means most people of all cultures will find the subject attractive. But the more you know about your audience the better you achieve the local beauty.

But if you are looking for real life for sculpture try this http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org...

If you are asking for your own body image. You can not change this feature. Work on eating right, working out, and be happy. All these things make you more gorgeous than you already are.

Thanks. I've heard about the golden ratio (1.618033 right)? I just wondered if there were any numbers from studies on this matter. I read many people quote certain numbers as gospel, but can't really find the numbers in the studies they're seemingly referring to.
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5/11/2014 4:25:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/11/2014 4:20:11 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/10/2014 7:36:11 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/10/2014 4:43:09 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Does anyone have any scientific studies which assign female attraction to different shoulder to (waist or hip) ratios?

I found one sort of, all it says is

" There were diminishing returns to increased height, penis size, and shoulder-to-hip ratio (quadratic selection: P = 0.010, 0.006 and < 0.0001) ["B" in Table 1] and, given the good fit of the linear and quadratic models, the optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range (i.e., maxima are >2 SD from the population mean for each trait) (Fig. 2). A model using only linear and quadratic selection on the shoulder-to-hip ratio accounted for 79.6% of variation in relative attractiveness scores (centered to remove differences among women in their average attractiveness scores)."

- http://www.pnas.org...

They are far more interested in penis size (yawn) though. Any actual numbers out there?

In real life or artistically? The golden ratio comparing shoulders to hip is pleasant. But the beauty is also cultural. The use of the golden ration means most people of all cultures will find the subject attractive. But the more you know about your audience the better you achieve the local beauty.

But if you are looking for real life for sculpture try this http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org...

If you are asking for your own body image. You can not change this feature. Work on eating right, working out, and be happy. All these things make you more gorgeous than you already are.

Thanks. I've heard about the golden ratio (1.618033 right)? I just wondered if there were any numbers from studies on this matter. I read many people quote certain numbers as gospel, but can't really find the numbers in the studies they're seemingly referring to.

There is a book written called the Palmer code. Written by a plastic surgeon and the numbers he uses. Personally I don't like them. But many books on drawing anatomy and figure drawing can help as well. Again if I knew the medium you are trying for I could be more specific.

The study I linked is a good waist-shoulder-ratio
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5/11/2014 6:41:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/11/2014 4:25:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/11/2014 4:20:11 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/10/2014 7:36:11 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/10/2014 4:43:09 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Does anyone have any scientific studies which assign female attraction to different shoulder to (waist or hip) ratios?

I found one sort of, all it says is

" There were diminishing returns to increased height, penis size, and shoulder-to-hip ratio (quadratic selection: P = 0.010, 0.006 and < 0.0001) ["B" in Table 1] and, given the good fit of the linear and quadratic models, the optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range (i.e., maxima are >2 SD from the population mean for each trait) (Fig. 2). A model using only linear and quadratic selection on the shoulder-to-hip ratio accounted for 79.6% of variation in relative attractiveness scores (centered to remove differences among women in their average attractiveness scores)."

- http://www.pnas.org...

They are far more interested in penis size (yawn) though. Any actual numbers out there?

In real life or artistically? The golden ratio comparing shoulders to hip is pleasant. But the beauty is also cultural. The use of the golden ration means most people of all cultures will find the subject attractive. But the more you know about your audience the better you achieve the local beauty.

But if you are looking for real life for sculpture try this http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org...

If you are asking for your own body image. You can not change this feature. Work on eating right, working out, and be happy. All these things make you more gorgeous than you already are.

Thanks. I've heard about the golden ratio (1.618033 right)? I just wondered if there were any numbers from studies on this matter. I read many people quote certain numbers as gospel, but can't really find the numbers in the studies they're seemingly referring to.

There is a book written called the Palmer code. Written by a plastic surgeon and the numbers he uses. Personally I don't like them. But many books on drawing anatomy and figure drawing can help as well. Again if I knew the medium you are trying for I could be more specific.

The study I linked is a good waist-shoulder-ratio

I'm interested in male shoulder ratios, not female ones.
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5/11/2014 6:42:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/11/2014 6:41:51 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/11/2014 4:25:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/11/2014 4:20:11 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/10/2014 7:36:11 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/10/2014 4:43:09 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Does anyone have any scientific studies which assign female attraction to different shoulder to (waist or hip) ratios?

I found one sort of, all it says is

" There were diminishing returns to increased height, penis size, and shoulder-to-hip ratio (quadratic selection: P = 0.010, 0.006 and < 0.0001) ["B" in Table 1] and, given the good fit of the linear and quadratic models, the optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range (i.e., maxima are >2 SD from the population mean for each trait) (Fig. 2). A model using only linear and quadratic selection on the shoulder-to-hip ratio accounted for 79.6% of variation in relative attractiveness scores (centered to remove differences among women in their average attractiveness scores)."

- http://www.pnas.org...

They are far more interested in penis size (yawn) though. Any actual numbers out there?

In real life or artistically? The golden ratio comparing shoulders to hip is pleasant. But the beauty is also cultural. The use of the golden ration means most people of all cultures will find the subject attractive. But the more you know about your audience the better you achieve the local beauty.

But if you are looking for real life for sculpture try this http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org...

If you are asking for your own body image. You can not change this feature. Work on eating right, working out, and be happy. All these things make you more gorgeous than you already are.

Thanks. I've heard about the golden ratio (1.618033 right)? I just wondered if there were any numbers from studies on this matter. I read many people quote certain numbers as gospel, but can't really find the numbers in the studies they're seemingly referring to.

There is a book written called the Palmer code. Written by a plastic surgeon and the numbers he uses. Personally I don't like them. But many books on drawing anatomy and figure drawing can help as well. Again if I knew the medium you are trying for I could be more specific.

The study I linked is a good waist-shoulder-ratio

I'm interested in male shoulder ratios, not female ones.

If it is for art. the waist is 1 unit the shoulders are 1.6 untis
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5/11/2014 7:21:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/11/2014 6:42:50 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/11/2014 6:41:51 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/11/2014 4:25:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/11/2014 4:20:11 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/10/2014 7:36:11 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/10/2014 4:43:09 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Does anyone have any scientific studies which assign female attraction to different shoulder to (waist or hip) ratios?

I found one sort of, all it says is

" There were diminishing returns to increased height, penis size, and shoulder-to-hip ratio (quadratic selection: P = 0.010, 0.006 and < 0.0001) ["B" in Table 1] and, given the good fit of the linear and quadratic models, the optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range (i.e., maxima are >2 SD from the population mean for each trait) (Fig. 2). A model using only linear and quadratic selection on the shoulder-to-hip ratio accounted for 79.6% of variation in relative attractiveness scores (centered to remove differences among women in their average attractiveness scores)."

- http://www.pnas.org...

They are far more interested in penis size (yawn) though. Any actual numbers out there?

In real life or artistically? The golden ratio comparing shoulders to hip is pleasant. But the beauty is also cultural. The use of the golden ration means most people of all cultures will find the subject attractive. But the more you know about your audience the better you achieve the local beauty.

But if you are looking for real life for sculpture try this http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org...

If you are asking for your own body image. You can not change this feature. Work on eating right, working out, and be happy. All these things make you more gorgeous than you already are.

Thanks. I've heard about the golden ratio (1.618033 right)? I just wondered if there were any numbers from studies on this matter. I read many people quote certain numbers as gospel, but can't really find the numbers in the studies they're seemingly referring to.

There is a book written called the Palmer code. Written by a plastic surgeon and the numbers he uses. Personally I don't like them. But many books on drawing anatomy and figure drawing can help as well. Again if I knew the medium you are trying for I could be more specific.

The study I linked is a good waist-shoulder-ratio

I'm interested in male shoulder ratios, not female ones.

If it is for art. the waist is 1 unit the shoulders are 1.6 untis

More like for attraction from women and being impressive for men.
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5/11/2014 7:40:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/11/2014 7:21:10 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/11/2014 6:42:50 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/11/2014 6:41:51 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/11/2014 4:25:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/11/2014 4:20:11 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/10/2014 7:36:11 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/10/2014 4:43:09 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
Does anyone have any scientific studies which assign female attraction to different shoulder to (waist or hip) ratios?

I found one sort of, all it says is

" There were diminishing returns to increased height, penis size, and shoulder-to-hip ratio (quadratic selection: P = 0.010, 0.006 and < 0.0001) ["B" in Table 1] and, given the good fit of the linear and quadratic models, the optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range (i.e., maxima are >2 SD from the population mean for each trait) (Fig. 2). A model using only linear and quadratic selection on the shoulder-to-hip ratio accounted for 79.6% of variation in relative attractiveness scores (centered to remove differences among women in their average attractiveness scores)."

- http://www.pnas.org...

They are far more interested in penis size (yawn) though. Any actual numbers out there?

In real life or artistically? The golden ratio comparing shoulders to hip is pleasant. But the beauty is also cultural. The use of the golden ration means most people of all cultures will find the subject attractive. But the more you know about your audience the better you achieve the local beauty.

But if you are looking for real life for sculpture try this http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org...

If you are asking for your own body image. You can not change this feature. Work on eating right, working out, and be happy. All these things make you more gorgeous than you already are.

Thanks. I've heard about the golden ratio (1.618033 right)? I just wondered if there were any numbers from studies on this matter. I read many people quote certain numbers as gospel, but can't really find the numbers in the studies they're seemingly referring to.

There is a book written called the Palmer code. Written by a plastic surgeon and the numbers he uses. Personally I don't like them. But many books on drawing anatomy and figure drawing can help as well. Again if I knew the medium you are trying for I could be more specific.

The study I linked is a good waist-shoulder-ratio

I'm interested in male shoulder ratios, not female ones.

If it is for art. the waist is 1 unit the shoulders are 1.6 untis

More like for attraction from women and being impressive for men.

In psychology class we went over a test on body image. Women were asked what type of outline of women did men find attractive. Then the men were asked which ones they thought were attractive. Women thought men wanted someone thinner and bigger boobs then what men really wanted.

The reverse was true for men as well. They thought women wanted someone bigger and more muscular than what women really rated as attractive.

In my experience confident body language achieves both the goals you speak of. you can be extremely physically fit but if you don't walk and talk confidently you will get the reverse reaction.

Not to mention that people usually look for long term relationships with the opposite sex they "think" is the same rating as them. So you may think a woman is a 9, but if she thinks she is a 7 and thinks you are a 7, she will see you physically as a long term mate.

Most of this will be decided by your genetics. So as I said earlier: eating right, working out, and being happy. But maybe you can glean a complete package from this study http://psych.colorado.edu...
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5/12/2014 1:26:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/11/2014 7:40:00 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
Not to mention that people usually look for long term relationships with the opposite sex they "think" is the same rating as them. So you may think a woman is a 9, but if she thinks she is a 7 and thinks you are a 7, she will see you physically as a long term mate.

That makes so much sense!
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