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CrappyDebater
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2/24/2010 12:49:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Why did I blink into existence after my birth in 1983?

Why was my existence and consciousness not manifested in 1883? or 1783?

Why was I not brought into consciousness in 2283?

Why is my consciousness in a 6'4 male in America, and not a 4'6 Female in Zimbabwe?

Why am I conscious?

Cogito, ergo sum
Ore_Ele
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2/24/2010 12:54:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/24/2010 12:49:01 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
Why did I blink into existence after my birth in 1983?

Why was my existence and consciousness not manifested in 1883? or 1783?

Why was I not brought into consciousness in 2283?

Why is my consciousness in a 6'4 male in America, and not a 4'6 Female in Zimbabwe?

Why am I conscious?

Cogito, ergo sum

Because 9 months before your birth in 1983, your parents got frisky. And I don't mean the cat food.
"Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"
Volkov
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2/24/2010 1:02:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/24/2010 12:58:01 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
That does not answer the question

Actually it does. Your parents did the dirty, but unfortunately did it wrong, and you were born 9 months later. That answers why you were not born in Zimbabwe, in the 2283s, your height, your location, etc. What more do you want? Your "consciousness" isn't special. It was never thought of in advanced by anyone except maybe your parents. You end up where and who you are just by virtue of where, and who your parents are. Nothing else to it, bub.
CrappyDebater
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2/24/2010 1:12:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
So my consciousness is the exact same as yours?

Then why am I not you?

And why are you not me?

Why did your parents do the dirty and not have me instead of you?
belle
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2/24/2010 1:24:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/24/2010 1:12:57 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
So my consciousness is the exact same as yours?

Then why am I not you?

And why are you not me?

Why did your parents do the dirty and not have me instead of you?

these questions only make sense if you assume that consciousness arises from somewhere other than the body. i dunno about you but my consciousness has never been separated from my body, nor have i even seen consciousness floating around without a body, more specifically without a brain... so... defend your assumption
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
Kinesis
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2/24/2010 1:25:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/24/2010 12:49:01 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
Why did I blink into existence after my birth in 1983?

Why was my existence and consciousness not manifested in 1883? or 1783?

Why was I not brought into consciousness in 2283?

Why is my consciousness in a 6'4 male in America, and not a 4'6 Female in Zimbabwe?

Why am I conscious?

Cogito, ergo sum

Because what you call 'you' is the culmination of a series of events including being born in 1983 and having the genetic make-up and environment to be who you are. 'you' are not a 4'6 female in Zimbabwe because that's someone else - if you were that person, you'd be a person living in Zimbabwe. If you were born in 2283, you'd be a person who was born in 2283 - but you aren't, you're you. Asking why doesn't make any sense - it's like asking why a rock falls in a particular place after throwing it. Why didn't it fall there, or there? Because a sequence of events led to it falling in a specific place, and not in any other place.
Ore_Ele
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2/24/2010 1:32:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/24/2010 1:24:40 PM, belle wrote:
At 2/24/2010 1:12:57 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
So my consciousness is the exact same as yours?

Then why am I not you?

And why are you not me?

Why did your parents do the dirty and not have me instead of you?

these questions only make sense if you assume that consciousness arises from somewhere other than the body. i dunno about you but my consciousness has never been separated from my body, nor have i even seen consciousness floating around without a body, more specifically without a brain... so... defend your assumption

have you never had an out of body experience? Cause I've had one. And, no, drugs were not involved.
"Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"
belle
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2/24/2010 1:36:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/24/2010 1:32:12 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 2/24/2010 1:24:40 PM, belle wrote:
At 2/24/2010 1:12:57 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
So my consciousness is the exact same as yours?

Then why am I not you?

And why are you not me?

Why did your parents do the dirty and not have me instead of you?

these questions only make sense if you assume that consciousness arises from somewhere other than the body. i dunno about you but my consciousness has never been separated from my body, nor have i even seen consciousness floating around without a body, more specifically without a brain... so... defend your assumption

have you never had an out of body experience? Cause I've had one. And, no, drugs were not involved.

i have not. thats why i said "i don't know about you but..." lol.

also, this is not to call anyone a liar, but i think in general OBEs can be explained without adding an entirely new category of existence for mind-things.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
Ore_Ele
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2/24/2010 1:41:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/24/2010 1:36:22 PM, belle wrote:

also, this is not to call anyone a liar, but i think in general OBEs can be explained without adding an entirely new category of existence for mind-things.

Probably, though it is really hard to prove anything until scientists can actually "cause" an OBE in order to test and gather some data on it.
"Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"