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8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM
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I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.
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8/4/2014 12:34:24 PM
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At 8/4/2014 9:53:06 AM, MoorJenni wrote:
I heard that stem cell therapy is a health hazard.

Excellent topic! Do you have sources we could discuss?
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8/4/2014 2:03:24 PM
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At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

Whoa this whole thread is off topic! This is the SCIENCE forum where we talk about the only important science: evolution.

To get this thread back on topic, how about we discuss something like how species are evolving in response to climate change, or the evolution of stem cells and specialised cells, or the conditions required for intelligent extraterrestrial life to evolve.
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8/4/2014 2:04:48 PM
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At 8/4/2014 2:03:24 PM, Enji wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

Whoa this whole thread is off topic! This is the SCIENCE forum where we talk about the only important science: evolution.

To get this thread back on topic, how about we discuss something like how species are evolving in response to climate change, or the evolution of stem cells and specialised cells, or the conditions required for intelligent extraterrestrial life to evolve.

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8/4/2014 2:10:53 PM
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At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The universe contains one electron.

Discuss.
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8/4/2014 2:13:24 PM
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At 8/4/2014 2:10:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The universe contains one electron.
How so?
Discuss.
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8/4/2014 2:15:51 PM
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At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

Okay:

http://www.iflscience.com...

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8/4/2014 2:31:43 PM
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At 8/4/2014 2:13:24 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:10:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The universe contains one electron.
How so?
Discuss.

It's a solution to the problem proposed by electrons. All electrons have exactly the same mass, same spin and other fundemental properties, moreover they appear to be suspect to retrocausality (essentially, time travel).

So one solution was that there is actually only 1 electorn in the whole universe, that time travels and warps everywhere (yeah... I know, lol). It was proposed by Wheeler to Feynmann... the math worked.... at least.

It would also help explain why there is matter and not both matter and antimatter in the universe.
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8/4/2014 3:32:04 PM
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At 8/4/2014 2:31:43 PM, Envisage wrote:

It's a solution to the problem proposed by electrons. All electrons have exactly the same mass, same spin and other fundemental properties, moreover they appear to be suspect to retrocausality (essentially, time travel).

Doesn't Pauli's exclusion principle state that no more than one electron can have the same spin in the same space, meaning there are electrons with opposite or different spins?


So one solution was that there is actually only 1 electorn in the whole universe, that time travels and warps everywhere (yeah... I know, lol). It was proposed by Wheeler to Feynmann... the math worked.... at least.

It would also help explain why there is matter and not both matter and antimatter in the universe.
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8/4/2014 4:09:49 PM
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At 8/4/2014 2:31:43 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:13:24 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:10:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The universe contains one electron.
How so?
Discuss.

It's a solution to the problem proposed by electrons. All electrons have exactly the same mass, same spin and other fundemental properties, moreover they appear to be suspect to retrocausality (essentially, time travel).

So one solution was that there is actually only 1 electorn in the whole universe, that time travels and warps everywhere (yeah... I know, lol). It was proposed by Wheeler to Feynmann... the math worked.... at least.

It would also help explain why there is matter and not both matter and antimatter in the universe.

Mind=blown

But if time travel is possible, why can't we do it? if an electron that can't even think or decide anything, then why can't humans, who have all this technology and stuff?
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8/4/2014 4:13:59 PM
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At 8/4/2014 4:09:49 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:31:43 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:13:24 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:10:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The universe contains one electron.
How so?
Discuss.

It's a solution to the problem proposed by electrons. All electrons have exactly the same mass, same spin and other fundemental properties, moreover they appear to be suspect to retrocausality (essentially, time travel).

So one solution was that there is actually only 1 electorn in the whole universe, that time travels and warps everywhere (yeah... I know, lol). It was proposed by Wheeler to Feynmann... the math worked.... at least.

It would also help explain why there is matter and not both matter and antimatter in the universe.

Mind=blown

But if time travel is possible, why can't we do it?

I think our laws so far state that information cannot be sent back in time, but material and causality can. My knowledge on this is very sketchy.

if an electron that can't even think or decide anything, then why can't humans, who have all this technology and stuff?

Because we are a little bit bigger than an electron.... But it's a valid point... and the main reason why the theory is not widely accepted :-p
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8/4/2014 4:16:02 PM
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At 8/4/2014 4:13:59 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 4:09:49 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:31:43 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:13:24 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:10:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The universe contains one electron.
How so?
Discuss.

It's a solution to the problem proposed by electrons. All electrons have exactly the same mass, same spin and other fundemental properties, moreover they appear to be suspect to retrocausality (essentially, time travel).

So one solution was that there is actually only 1 electorn in the whole universe, that time travels and warps everywhere (yeah... I know, lol). It was proposed by Wheeler to Feynmann... the math worked.... at least.

It would also help explain why there is matter and not both matter and antimatter in the universe.

Mind=blown

But if time travel is possible, why can't we do it?

I think our laws so far state that information cannot be sent back in time, but material and causality can. My knowledge on this is very sketchy.
So basically, what youre saying is, we may have already travelled through time, we just dont remember it?
if an electron that can't even think or decide anything, then why can't humans, who have all this technology and stuff?

Because we are a little bit bigger than an electron.... But it's a valid point... and the main reason why the theory is not widely accepted :-p
Just a *tiny* bit.... we're only made of more than billions and billions of them XD
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8/4/2014 4:26:20 PM
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At 8/4/2014 4:13:59 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 4:09:49 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:31:43 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:13:24 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
At 8/4/2014 2:10:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The universe contains one electron.
How so?
Discuss.

It's a solution to the problem proposed by electrons. All electrons have exactly the same mass, same spin and other fundemental properties, moreover they appear to be suspect to retrocausality (essentially, time travel).

So one solution was that there is actually only 1 electorn in the whole universe, that time travels and warps everywhere (yeah... I know, lol). It was proposed by Wheeler to Feynmann... the math worked.... at least.

It would also help explain why there is matter and not both matter and antimatter in the universe.

Mind=blown

But if time travel is possible, why can't we do it?

I think our laws so far state that information cannot be sent back in time, but material and causality can. My knowledge on this is very sketchy.

if an electron that can't even think or decide anything, then why can't humans, who have all this technology and stuff?

Because we are a little bit bigger than an electron.... But it's a valid point... and the main reason why the theory is not widely accepted :-p

I don't know if this is a valid point, but it is just likes a bats sonar. When it was first theorized that bats have sonar, people, particularly the US navy dismissed it. Sonar was new military technology and to think that bats had it was a disgrace. But after testing it, bats having sonar became an established fact.

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The same can be applied to electron and how we humans can't time travel.
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8/6/2014 3:49:46 AM
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At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

*puts on evangelical christian hat for this one

Climate change - Greenie communist proganda, plus Jesus is coming back soon so no need to worry about it anyway.

stem cell research - Oh hell nah, life is sacred, except when that baby actually gets born, then get your hands on my money you welfare queen.

NASA - Mankind is Gods pinnacle of creation in this universe, we are "made in his image" and now you just want to go and find aliens ? sounds like the work of satan to me

the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science - All thanks to Jesus !!!
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8/6/2014 5:12:05 AM
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At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

What do you feel about NASA covering up the fact that aliens kicked us off the moon and that's why we haven't returned. http://www.wutang-corp.com...

Or what about the fact that NASA won't let anybody near the edge of the Earth. Anytime people try to drive to the edge (South Pole) they are warned away.
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8/6/2014 5:10:39 PM
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At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

What are your thoughts on the New Horrizon annalyzing Pluto next year and what do you think that we'll find?
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8/10/2014 3:37:30 PM
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At 8/6/2014 5:10:39 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

What are your thoughts on the New Horrizon annalyzing Pluto next year and what do you think that we'll find?

I'm not sure what part of the orbit Pluto will be in,but I kind of hope it is the "summer" part when Pluto develops an atmosphere. Other than that, I suspect the will find a little ice ball.
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8/10/2014 3:47:10 PM
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At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The evolution of the climate is a fascinating subject. I think it's largely due to Noah's flood.
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8/10/2014 8:05:40 PM
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At 8/10/2014 3:47:10 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

The evolution of the climate is a fascinating subject. I think it's largely due to Noah's flood.

And thus, we come full circle.

This thread is now about creationism/evolution.
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8/12/2014 8:14:41 PM
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^ I will try to prevent such a thing. It's still unfortunate that it took a thread specifically designed to lack the creation-evolution debate only eighteen posts to mention creation or evolution.

Worst "Science" forum ever.

At 8/4/2014 4:09:49 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
But if time travel is possible, why can't we do it? if an electron that can't even think or decide anything, then why can't humans, who have all this technology and stuff?

The one-electron universe (Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org...), by the way, is a hypothesis that as far as I can tell lacks proper research. I haven't seen anything on it beyond being an anecdote.

Time travel isn't a matter of building a spaceship or a plane. In order to time travel, special relativity suggests that an object would have to travel faster than light. However, in the short answer, this is impossible.

In the long answer, for a more Newtonian version of relativity, an object's kinetic energy is the product of its momentum and velocity divided by two. E= m*v^2/2 But Einstein's more exact relativity for traveling faster than light requires the Lorentz transformation and Einstein's special relativity. That's when an object's kinetic energy is is mass times the speed of light squared (E=mc^2) divided by the square root of the difference of 1 and velocity squared divided by the speed of light squared. E = mc^2 / [square root sign over the entire denominator]1-v^2/c^2

In an image: http://i36.tinypic.com...

"c" is the speed of light in a vacuum.
"v" is the object's velocity
"m" is the object's mass
"E" is the energy represented

The more velocity an object has, the closer that v^2/c^2 reaches the number 1. When v^2/c^2 = 1, then the object is traveling the speed of light. When v^2/c^2 = 1, then the whole denominator is the square root of zero, which is zero. Dividing by zero results in infinity. So it would take an infinite amount of energy for an object with mass to reach the speed of light. There is no such thing as an infinite amount of energy. To reach light speed, the object must have no mass.
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8/28/2014 12:49:03 AM
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If one electron in the universe, then he must move at a speed greater than the speed of light. And it is not yet possible.
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8/28/2014 4:26:41 AM
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At 8/12/2014 8:14:41 PM, E_Pluribus_Unum wrote:
^ I will try to prevent such a thing. It's still unfortunate that it took a thread specifically designed to lack the creation-evolution debate only eighteen posts to mention creation or evolution.

Worst "Science" forum ever.

At 8/4/2014 4:09:49 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
But if time travel is possible, why can't we do it? if an electron that can't even think or decide anything, then why can't humans, who have all this technology and stuff?

The one-electron universe (Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org...), by the way, is a hypothesis that as far as I can tell lacks proper research. I haven't seen anything on it beyond being an anecdote.

Time travel isn't a matter of building a spaceship or a plane. In order to time travel, special relativity suggests that an object would have to travel faster than light. However, in the short answer, this is impossible.

In the long answer, for a more Newtonian version of relativity, an object's kinetic energy is the product of its momentum and velocity divided by two. E= m*v^2/2 But Einstein's more exact relativity for traveling faster than light requires the Lorentz transformation and Einstein's special relativity. That's when an object's kinetic energy is is mass times the speed of light squared (E=mc^2) divided by the square root of the difference of 1 and velocity squared divided by the speed of light squared. E = mc^2 / [square root sign over the entire denominator]1-v^2/c^2

Sorry I feel compelled to correct the physics here:

You are referring to total energy not kinetic energy.
Kinetic energy =( gamma-1) * mc^2 (where gamma is sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)^-1)
total energy = gamma * mc^2
Kinetic energy does not include rest energy (mc^2) whereas total energy does. ie TE=KE + rest energy
The 'Newtonian' (?) 1/2mv^2 is an approximation of (gamma-1)*mc^2 and can be obtained by binomial expansion of the latter expression.
It is more useful to consider Kinetic energy to be momentum squared over twice mass. (p^2/2m)

In an image: http://i36.tinypic.com...

This image again shows total energy not kinetic energy, its not a reliable site.

"c" is the speed of light in a vacuum.
"v" is the object's velocity
"m" is the object's mass
"E" is the energy represented

The more velocity an object has, the closer that v^2/c^2 reaches the number 1. When v^2/c^2 = 1, then the object is traveling the speed of light. When v^2/c^2 = 1, then the whole denominator is the square root of zero, which is zero. Dividing by zero results in infinity. So it would take an infinite amount of energy for an object with mass to reach the speed of light. There is no such thing as an infinite amount of energy. To reach light speed, the object must have no mass.

However Paul Dirac, who was the first physicist to unite relativity and quantum physics, showed that a super-luminal particle, which he named the tachyon, is possible. What is meant by this is that the equations that describe a particle have non-infinite solutions if you set v/c>1. It is only being at light speed that is impossible not being beyond light speed. A particle created moving faster than light would remain faster than light.

I really kinda like the idea that all electrons are one, its a bit zen like, but in reality it does not mean anything since it is probably impossible to prove it.

Other suggestions about particles that I find mind melting are the attempts to describe anti-matter, which is regularly produced in particle experiments. I believe Feynman was the first to suggest that they are particles moving backwards in time. So a negative charge electron going backwards seems to be a positive charge moving forwards. This means that what appears to be a particle/anti-particle annihilation event is actually a matter particle going forwards in time and then converting to an anti-particle, with large release of energy, and then zipping off backwards in time.
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8/28/2014 5:21:30 AM
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At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

Well, SOMEONE gets it. Bu-but...what would all the creationists do? Their knowledge of science, even pseudoscience, ends. D:
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8/28/2014 7:42:08 AM
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At 8/28/2014 5:21:30 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

Well, SOMEONE gets it. Bu-but...what would all the creationists do? Their knowledge of science, even pseudoscience, ends. D:

What knowledge of science?

Also, how about discussing the possibility of fast than light travel?
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8/28/2014 8:13:08 AM
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At 8/28/2014 7:42:08 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 8/28/2014 5:21:30 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

Well, SOMEONE gets it. Bu-but...what would all the creationists do? Their knowledge of science, even pseudoscience, ends. D:

What knowledge of science?


Also, how about discussing the possibility of fast than light travel?

Folding the space-time using high gravity fields in order to jump through reality, perhaps?
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8/28/2014 9:00:05 AM
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At 8/28/2014 8:13:08 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 8/28/2014 7:42:08 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 8/28/2014 5:21:30 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 8/4/2014 9:42:10 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I am sick and tired of all the evolution vs. Creationism in this science forum. Science is much, much bigger than that. Lets talk about something else for a change. Climate change, stem cell research, NASA, the latest descoveries in astrophysics and medicine, even science related politics. Anything but evolution.

Well, SOMEONE gets it. Bu-but...what would all the creationists do? Their knowledge of science, even pseudoscience, ends. D:

What knowledge of science?


Also, how about discussing the possibility of fast than light travel?

Folding the space-time using high gravity fields in order to jump through reality, perhaps?

That is the basic idea of the current hypothesis that NASA has been developing, I am wondering if there are any other ideas.
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8/29/2014 2:46:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/29/2014 2:20:17 PM, slo1 wrote:
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I think this is the best contribution you've made to the science forum in a long time >.>
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8/29/2014 2:48:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/29/2014 2:46:13 PM, Enji wrote:
At 8/29/2014 2:20:17 PM, slo1 wrote:
Evolution
I think this is the best contribution you've made to the science forum in a long time >.>

That is mean. You obviously did not see the kick arse experiment I posted earlier or your heart would be soaring with praises of me.