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SitaraMusica
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9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.
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9/26/2014 9:04:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Scientifically speaking, "life" began 3.5 billion years ago and hasn't stopped. Your question is better worded as, "At what stage of development should unborn humans be given human rights?"
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9/26/2014 9:07:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/26/2014 9:04:04 PM, apb4y wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Scientifically speaking, "life" began 3.5 billion years ago and hasn't stopped. Your question is better worded as, "At what stage of development should unborn humans be given human rights?"
Well said. Ill try to make a change.
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9/27/2014 3:41:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Probably when they cease to be endoparasites of their mothers, or to summarize: at birth.
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9/27/2014 9:45:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Genetically, a fetus is a human at fertilization. This does not make it a person.
At 24 weeks it becomes sentient, and therefore a person.

I agree with the trimester system.
1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

Besides, pro-life puts a pregnant woman's rights below the rights of a corpse.

Bodily autonomy is one of the most basic rights. You cannot even take organs from a corpse unless you had prior consent. To say that a woman has to give up this right, which a corpse has, for 9 months is ridiculous.
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9/27/2014 3:16:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 9:45:54 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Genetically, a fetus is a human at fertilization. This does not make it a person.
At 24 weeks it becomes sentient, and therefore a person.

I agree with the trimester system.
1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

Besides, pro-life puts a pregnant woman's rights below the rights of a corpse.

Bodily autonomy is one of the most basic rights. You cannot even take organs from a corpse unless you had prior consent. To say that a woman has to give up this right, which a corpse has, for 9 months is ridiculous.

The baby has the right to his or her body. Have you seen abortion pictures?
SitaraMusica
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9/27/2014 3:17:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 3:41:18 AM, Otokage wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Probably when they cease to be endoparasites of their mothers, or to summarize: at birth.

What is an endoparasite? I have never heard this term.
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9/27/2014 3:27:35 PM
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At 9/27/2014 3:17:12 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:41:18 AM, Otokage wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Probably when they cease to be endoparasites of their mothers, or to summarize: at birth.

What is an endoparasite? I have never heard this term.

A parasite that lives inside the body, ie, pork tapeworm (Taenia solium) or Plasmodium responsible for malaria. There's also the term "ectoparasite" to reference those that live outside the body, ie louses.
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9/27/2014 3:47:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 3:16:20 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:45:54 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Genetically, a fetus is a human at fertilization. This does not make it a person.
At 24 weeks it becomes sentient, and therefore a person.

I agree with the trimester system.
1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

Besides, pro-life puts a pregnant woman's rights below the rights of a corpse.

Bodily autonomy is one of the most basic rights. You cannot even take organs from a corpse unless you had prior consent. To say that a woman has to give up this right, which a corpse has, for 9 months is ridiculous.

The baby has the right to his or her body. Have you seen abortion pictures?

Wouldn't abortion pictures stir people's emotions? I agree with SNP1:

1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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9/27/2014 3:50:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 3:47:11 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:16:20 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:45:54 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Genetically, a fetus is a human at fertilization. This does not make it a person.
At 24 weeks it becomes sentient, and therefore a person.

I agree with the trimester system.
1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

Besides, pro-life puts a pregnant woman's rights below the rights of a corpse.

Bodily autonomy is one of the most basic rights. You cannot even take organs from a corpse unless you had prior consent. To say that a woman has to give up this right, which a corpse has, for 9 months is ridiculous.

The baby has the right to his or her body. Have you seen abortion pictures?

Wouldn't abortion pictures stir people's emotions? I agree with SNP1:

1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.
What about the baby's right to his or her body?
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9/27/2014 3:54:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 3:50:41 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:47:11 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:16:20 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:45:54 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Genetically, a fetus is a human at fertilization. This does not make it a person.
At 24 weeks it becomes sentient, and therefore a person.

I agree with the trimester system.
1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

Besides, pro-life puts a pregnant woman's rights below the rights of a corpse.

Bodily autonomy is one of the most basic rights. You cannot even take organs from a corpse unless you had prior consent. To say that a woman has to give up this right, which a corpse has, for 9 months is ridiculous.

The baby has the right to his or her body. Have you seen abortion pictures?

Wouldn't abortion pictures stir people's emotions? I agree with SNP1:

1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.
What about the baby's right to his or her body?

What about the parasites right to its body as it munches away at someone's intestines?

I believe that abortion should be carried out before the fetus can feel pain. After that it is best to have the child and put it up for adoption.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
SitaraMusica
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9/27/2014 4:19:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 3:54:13 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:50:41 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:47:11 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:16:20 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:45:54 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Genetically, a fetus is a human at fertilization. This does not make it a person.
At 24 weeks it becomes sentient, and therefore a person.

I agree with the trimester system.
1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

Besides, pro-life puts a pregnant woman's rights below the rights of a corpse.

Bodily autonomy is one of the most basic rights. You cannot even take organs from a corpse unless you had prior consent. To say that a woman has to give up this right, which a corpse has, for 9 months is ridiculous.

The baby has the right to his or her body. Have you seen abortion pictures?

Wouldn't abortion pictures stir people's emotions? I agree with SNP1:

1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.
What about the baby's right to his or her body?

What about the parasites right to its body as it munches away at someone's intestines?

I believe that abortion should be carried out before the fetus can feel pain. After that it is best to have the child and put it up for adoption.
No one has the right to kill another person. If you can kill an unborn baby, why not a born baby?
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9/27/2014 4:19:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 3:47:11 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:16:20 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:45:54 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Genetically, a fetus is a human at fertilization. This does not make it a person.
At 24 weeks it becomes sentient, and therefore a person.

I agree with the trimester system.
1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

Besides, pro-life puts a pregnant woman's rights below the rights of a corpse.

Bodily autonomy is one of the most basic rights. You cannot even take organs from a corpse unless you had prior consent. To say that a woman has to give up this right, which a corpse has, for 9 months is ridiculous.

The baby has the right to his or her body. Have you seen abortion pictures?

Wouldn't abortion pictures stir people's emotions? I agree with SNP1:

1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

While I think it is never too late for an abortion, I can agree it is highly irresponsible for a mother to abort in the 3rd trimester. Sexual education should really improve in order to prevent those sad situations.
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9/27/2014 4:29:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 4:19:27 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:54:13 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:50:41 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:47:11 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/27/2014 3:16:20 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:45:54 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Genetically, a fetus is a human at fertilization. This does not make it a person.
At 24 weeks it becomes sentient, and therefore a person.

I agree with the trimester system.
1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.

Besides, pro-life puts a pregnant woman's rights below the rights of a corpse.

Bodily autonomy is one of the most basic rights. You cannot even take organs from a corpse unless you had prior consent. To say that a woman has to give up this right, which a corpse has, for 9 months is ridiculous.

The baby has the right to his or her body. Have you seen abortion pictures?

Wouldn't abortion pictures stir people's emotions? I agree with SNP1:

1st trimester is the mother's choice.
2nd trimester has the doctor's input.
3rd trimester is too late for an abortion.
What about the baby's right to his or her body?

What about the parasites right to its body as it munches away at someone's intestines?

I believe that abortion should be carried out before the fetus can feel pain. After that it is best to have the child and put it up for adoption.
No one has the right to kill another person. If you can kill an unborn baby, why not a born baby?

So killing a small amount of cells in the first trimester is terrible?

Why kill a cow and not a human?
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM
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"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.
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9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM
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At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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9/27/2014 8:26:27 PM
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At 9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
Implantation happens 7 days after ovulation when the egg attaches to the mother.
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9/27/2014 8:52:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 8:26:27 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
Implantation happens 7 days after ovulation when the egg attaches to the mother.

That is only half the genetic DNA needed to form a potential life. Intellectually misguided approach at best.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
SitaraMusica
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9/27/2014 9:27:52 PM
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At 9/27/2014 8:52:08 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:26:27 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
Implantation happens 7 days after ovulation when the egg attaches to the mother.

That is only half the genetic DNA needed to form a potential life. Intellectually misguided approach at best.

Fallacy fallacy. Disagreement does not equal a fallacy. An unborn baby has rights and pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.
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9/27/2014 9:41:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/26/2014 8:24:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I used to think life began at birth until I saw a picture of a baby born at 15 weeks. I am now prolife and I think life begins at implantation. I make an exception for the life of the mother, though.

Life begins at erection.

(kidding)

I would prefer that abortions not be performed after a certain time period (say 20-24 weeks) nor performed 'recreationally' - that is, not over and over again.

America has simplified the issue of abortion to two terms: pro-life and pro-choice. Neither of those terms encapsulate the complexity of the issue, which is why I try to avoid them. For example, you consider yourself pro-life, but what about circumstances involving rape? Severe health issues to the child?

Pro-life and pro-choice are one-dimensional concepts applied to a multi-dimensional issue, try to think beyond the 'black-and-white' of the political lens.
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9/27/2014 10:10:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 9:27:52 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:52:08 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:26:27 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
Implantation happens 7 days after ovulation when the egg attaches to the mother.

That is only half the genetic DNA needed to form a potential life. Intellectually misguided approach at best.

Fallacy fallacy. Disagreement does not equal a fallacy. An unborn baby has rights and pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.

The egg has to be fertilized by a male sperm otherwise it is rejected and flushed out of the body. Human life will never start any other way, not ever. Biology 101
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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9/27/2014 11:10:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 10:10:54 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:27:52 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:52:08 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:26:27 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
Implantation happens 7 days after ovulation when the egg attaches to the mother.

That is only half the genetic DNA needed to form a potential life. Intellectually misguided approach at best.

Fallacy fallacy. Disagreement does not equal a fallacy. An unborn baby has rights and pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.

The egg has to be fertilized by a male sperm otherwise it is rejected and flushed out of the body. Human life will never start any other way, not ever. Biology 101

Pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.
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9/27/2014 11:11:26 PM
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At 9/27/2014 11:10:03 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 10:10:54 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:27:52 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:52:08 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:26:27 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
Implantation happens 7 days after ovulation when the egg attaches to the mother.

That is only half the genetic DNA needed to form a potential life. Intellectually misguided approach at best.

Fallacy fallacy. Disagreement does not equal a fallacy. An unborn baby has rights and pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.

The egg has to be fertilized by a male sperm otherwise it is rejected and flushed out of the body. Human life will never start any other way, not ever. Biology 101

Pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.

No it doesnt. Scientifically speaking
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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9/27/2014 11:12:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 11:11:26 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 11:10:03 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 10:10:54 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:27:52 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:52:08 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:26:27 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
Implantation happens 7 days after ovulation when the egg attaches to the mother.

That is only half the genetic DNA needed to form a potential life. Intellectually misguided approach at best.

Fallacy fallacy. Disagreement does not equal a fallacy. An unborn baby has rights and pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.

The egg has to be fertilized by a male sperm otherwise it is rejected and flushed out of the body. Human life will never start any other way, not ever. Biology 101

Pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.

No it doesnt. Scientifically speaking

I could say my sperm production is the beginning of pregnancy just as easily.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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9/27/2014 11:37:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
A new human being comes into being at fertilization. That is the scientific reality of the situation.

zygote -> embryo -> fetus -> baby -> toddler -> youth -> teenager -> adult -> elderly.

All the same organism. Now what some people try to tell you is that inalienable rights are only inalienable for some humans... you know the ones we want to recognize as humans, but not the other ones. This is the exact same argument used to justify slavery.
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9/27/2014 11:46:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 11:37:34 PM, Geogeer wrote:
A new human being comes into being at fertilization. That is the scientific reality of the situation.

zygote -> embryo -> fetus -> baby -> toddler -> youth -> teenager -> adult -> elderly.

All the same organism. Now what some people try to tell you is that inalienable rights are only inalienable for some humans... you know the ones we want to recognize as humans, but not the other ones. This is the exact same argument used to justify slavery.

Looks like we have a debate topic for us there.
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9/27/2014 11:47:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 11:46:10 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 9/27/2014 11:37:34 PM, Geogeer wrote:
A new human being comes into being at fertilization. That is the scientific reality of the situation.

zygote -> embryo -> fetus -> baby -> toddler -> youth -> teenager -> adult -> elderly.

All the same organism. Now what some people try to tell you is that inalienable rights are only inalienable for some humans... you know the ones we want to recognize as humans, but not the other ones. This is the exact same argument used to justify slavery.

Looks like we have a debate topic for us there.

Well I think that one was known for a while...
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9/27/2014 11:54:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 11:11:26 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 11:10:03 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 10:10:54 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 9:27:52 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:52:08 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:26:27 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:24:01 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:22:15 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 9/27/2014 8:20:51 PM, sadolite wrote:
"When does human life begin?" Well according to science "ALL" life begins at conception>
But human rights don't begin until after the human is born according to the legal profession.

I disagree. I believe that life begins at implantation.

Define implantation and the method
Implantation happens 7 days after ovulation when the egg attaches to the mother.

That is only half the genetic DNA needed to form a potential life. Intellectually misguided approach at best.

Fallacy fallacy. Disagreement does not equal a fallacy. An unborn baby has rights and pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.

The egg has to be fertilized by a male sperm otherwise it is rejected and flushed out of the body. Human life will never start any other way, not ever. Biology 101

Pregnancy begins at implantation scientifically speaking.

No it doesnt. Scientifically speaking
You are wrong. If pregnancy begins before implantation, is the petri dish pregnant in the case of in vitro fertilization? The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists confirms the scientific fact that pregnancy begins when the egg implants in mother. http://www.guttmacher.org...