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belle
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5/1/2010 7:42:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
is that really surprising? i was under the impression that NOFAIR was one of the first phrases learned by children. it was certainly one of my favorites :P
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
FREEDO
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5/1/2010 7:56:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/1/2010 7:42:35 PM, belle wrote:
is that really surprising? i was under the impression that NOFAIR was one of the first phrases learned by children. it was certainly one of my favorites :P

Exactly. I think Socialism is a product of true human nature.
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5/1/2010 7:56:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This saggital fMRI view of the brain shows activity in both the ventromedial prefrontal cortex and the ventral striatum.

I have no idea what this means and what the more important part of the articles mean, so I can't really agree with it. I think the article fails to mention other things people naturally react to though - like, say, power. Perhaps those areas of the brain are jealousy for equality, rather than the empathetic type? "NO FAIR", as belle points out, isn't something about equality. It's about "me getting stuff when other people get stuff".

And such an interpretation fits in, if we disregard possible scientific arguments for what those areas of the brain are for in the moment (we probably don't know what they are ourselves).

"People who started out poor had a stronger brain reaction to things that gave them money, and essentially no reaction to money going to another person," Camerer says. "By itself, that wasn't too surprising."
Imagine this as kids. Kids who don't have candy react more strongly when they get candy, and not much when others get candy because, hey, they don't have any!

What was surprising was the other side of the coin. "In the experiment, people who started out rich had a stronger reaction to other people getting money than to themselves getting money," Camerer explains. "In other words, their brains liked it when others got money more than they liked it when they themselves got money."
I almost forfeited my devil's advocate position here (not really, I'm exploring it, I don't have a position either way) when I read the end and I saw the word "economist". And I found the answer to this - it's jealousy combined with the law of diminishing marginal utility. It's not too hard for a kid with candy to sympathize with kids who don't, in the sense that they realize that the kids who don't will be more happy. And they're jealous - because they can't be as happy when they themselves get another piece of candy.

COUNTERED! YEUH.

And that's my mental exercise for the day.
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belle
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5/1/2010 8:03:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/1/2010 7:56:05 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/1/2010 7:42:35 PM, belle wrote:
is that really surprising? i was under the impression that NOFAIR was one of the first phrases learned by children. it was certainly one of my favorites :P

Exactly. I think Socialism is a product of true human nature.

lol thats not socialism though. people are happier when needier people get more if it doesn't diminish their own wealth. if anything it demonstrates that welfare (ie giving away other people's money) is human nature. but of course that doesn't make it right
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5/2/2010 1:23:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/1/2010 7:39:53 PM, FREEDO wrote:
http://media.caltech.edu...

Discuss the article.

Not remotely surprising. The psych of personal bias, personal favouratism, in group elevation and so on is indeed vast.
Puck
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5/2/2010 1:25:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/1/2010 7:56:40 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
This saggital fMRI view of the brain shows activity in both the ventromedial prefrontal cortex and the ventral striatum.

I have no idea what this means

Eh it's just a biology map. They are terms used to divide sections of the body (including brain).
feverish
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5/2/2010 7:59:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/1/2010 7:42:35 PM, belle wrote:
is that really surprising? i was under the impression that NOFAIR was one of the first phrases learned by children. it was certainly one of my favorites :P

lol Supposedly my first word was "mine!". I had two older brothers who would take my toys. They also poisoned me but that's another story.
Danielle
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5/2/2010 8:07:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/2/2010 7:51:37 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
"Trinity College in Dublin, Ireland"

This

What about this?

"In a series of experiments, former Caltech postdoctoral scholar Elizabeth Tricomi (now an assistant professor of psychology at Rutgers University)"

Woo!
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5/2/2010 8:12:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/2/2010 8:07:14 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 5/2/2010 7:51:37 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
"Trinity College in Dublin, Ireland"

This

What about this?

It means that parts of this research was conducted by people intoxicated, not exactly reliable :).
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5/2/2010 8:29:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/2/2010 8:12:32 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 5/2/2010 8:07:14 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 5/2/2010 7:51:37 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
"Trinity College in Dublin, Ireland"

This

What about this?

It means that parts of this research was conducted by people intoxicated, not exactly reliable :).

http://www.ebaumsworld.com...
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5/2/2010 8:35:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/2/2010 8:29:07 AM, Kleptin wrote:
At 5/2/2010 8:12:32 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 5/2/2010 8:07:14 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 5/2/2010 7:51:37 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
"Trinity College in Dublin, Ireland"

This

What about this?

It means that parts of this research was conducted by people intoxicated, not exactly reliable :).

http://www.ebaumsworld.com...

Haha, love that show.
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