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Volkov
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6/6/2010 8:18:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This is comparing oranges to apples. Both studied completely different fields and contributed in those fields in a huge way. Kinda hard to compare the two without comparing physics and biology, and discussing which is better.
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6/6/2010 8:20:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/6/2010 8:18:10 PM, Volkov wrote:
Kinda hard to compare the two without comparing physics and biology, and discussing which is better.

I said you were free to discuss.
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6/6/2010 8:20:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/6/2010 8:18:10 PM, Volkov wrote:
This is comparing oranges to apples. Both studied completely different fields and contributed in those fields in a huge way. Kinda hard to compare the two without comparing physics and biology, and discussing which is better.

That's very true. It would be more accurate to compare Einstein and Newton/Tesla/etc.
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6/6/2010 8:26:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/6/2010 8:14:56 PM, belle wrote:
dostoyevsky or david foster wallace- who was the better writer?

If I were to choose DFW, I'd be forced to accept that literature is subjective, which would mean I'm not choosing DFW. And but so the honest answer, however, is that I unfortunately do not know enough about Dostoyevsky.

W/r/t the concept of science, however, the sciences are deeply rooted in the idea that objective knowledge exists.
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6/6/2010 8:41:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
As smart and revolutionary as Darwin was, I absolutely have to go with Einstein. He was able to think in ways no one had dreamed of before and he is one of my greatest heroes.
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6/6/2010 8:42:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/6/2010 8:26:07 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/6/2010 8:14:56 PM, belle wrote:
dostoyevsky or david foster wallace- who was the better writer?

If I were to choose DFW, I'd be forced to accept that literature is subjective, which would mean I'm not choosing DFW. And but so the honest answer, however, is that I unfortunately do not know enough about Dostoyevsky.

W/r/t the concept of science, however, the sciences are deeply rooted in the idea that objective knowledge exists.

lmao @ w/r/t. that one took me awhile to figure out...

but anyways... facts are one thing, but "best" implies a standard... what is the standard by which we measure how great a scientist is? if you can define that it becomes simple. but given they both did extremely different things its unlikely that any acceptable standard would apply to both.

and how does picking david foster wallace make literature subjective? i don't even understand what you were getting at with that one..
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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6/6/2010 8:51:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
http://xkcd.com...

Clearly Newton, for physics and mathematics.
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6/6/2010 8:57:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Both are two of the greatest scientists the world has ever known; as big a fan I am of the theories Darwin produced, I'm going to have to go with Einstein. He was just so amazingly creative and had such groundbreaking thoughts. He wasn't just a master of science, either; he was a master of life.
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6/7/2010 12:17:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/6/2010 8:42:49 PM, belle wrote:
lmao @ w/r/t. that one took me awhile to figure out...

DFW used the scrawl "w/r/t" not often but frequent enough for a true fan to quickly recognize.

but anyways... facts are one thing, but "best" implies a standard... what is the standard by which we measure how great a scientist is?

That's one of the reasons I opened this thread, to get people to debate standards.

and how does picking david foster wallace make literature subjective? i don't even understand what you were getting at with that one..

Postmodernism, at least as I see it, though I could be like totally full of sh1t, is the total rejection of universal truths. In literature, postmodernism means that the true value of a text--and indeed its very meaning--is if not solely then primarily determined by the reader. The author, though consciously aware of his own writing and aware that the reader is also aware, becomes sort of irrelevant.

So, essentially, all literature and reality becomes playing with nonsense.

But of course, you're free to disagree with me.
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6/7/2010 3:18:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
You have to really consider how far each advanced in their respective fields, and the impact that has on today.

With that in mind, I vote Darwin.
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6/7/2010 4:41:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 3:18:08 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You have to really consider how far each advanced in their respective fields, and the impact that has on today.

With that in mind, I vote Darwin.

darwin doesn't take both of those. maybe the first, but definitely not the second.
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6/7/2010 5:29:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 4:41:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 3:18:08 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You have to really consider how far each advanced in their respective fields, and the impact that has on today.

With that in mind, I vote Darwin.

darwin doesn't take both of those. maybe the first, but definitely not the second.

Fixed speed of light vs. the origins of humanity? Darwin takes the cultural impact easily.
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6/7/2010 5:38:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 5:29:49 AM, Puck wrote:
At 6/7/2010 4:41:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 3:18:08 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You have to really consider how far each advanced in their respective fields, and the impact that has on today.

With that in mind, I vote Darwin.

darwin doesn't take both of those. maybe the first, but definitely not the second.

Fixed speed of light vs. the origins of humanity? Darwin takes the cultural impact easily.

the past is no use to anyone.
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6/7/2010 5:42:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 5:38:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:29:49 AM, Puck wrote:
At 6/7/2010 4:41:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 3:18:08 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You have to really consider how far each advanced in their respective fields, and the impact that has on today.

With that in mind, I vote Darwin.

darwin doesn't take both of those. maybe the first, but definitely not the second.

Fixed speed of light vs. the origins of humanity? Darwin takes the cultural impact easily.

the past is no use to anyone.

Cultural impact =/= functionality.
badger
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6/7/2010 5:45:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 5:42:29 AM, TheSkeptic wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:38:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:29:49 AM, Puck wrote:
At 6/7/2010 4:41:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 3:18:08 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You have to really consider how far each advanced in their respective fields, and the impact that has on today.

With that in mind, I vote Darwin.

darwin doesn't take both of those. maybe the first, but definitely not the second.

Fixed speed of light vs. the origins of humanity? Darwin takes the cultural impact easily.

the past is no use to anyone.

Cultural impact =/= functionality.

yeah i was wondering. i was just on about impact.
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badger
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6/7/2010 5:46:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 5:45:40 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:42:29 AM, TheSkeptic wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:38:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:29:49 AM, Puck wrote:
At 6/7/2010 4:41:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 3:18:08 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You have to really consider how far each advanced in their respective fields, and the impact that has on today.

With that in mind, I vote Darwin.

darwin doesn't take both of those. maybe the first, but definitely not the second.

Fixed speed of light vs. the origins of humanity? Darwin takes the cultural impact easily.

the past is no use to anyone.

Cultural impact =/= functionality.

yeah i was wondering. i was just on about impact.

does cultural impact trump everything around us that can be credited to einstein?
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I-am-a-panda
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6/7/2010 10:42:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 5:46:39 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:45:40 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:42:29 AM, TheSkeptic wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:38:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 5:29:49 AM, Puck wrote:
At 6/7/2010 4:41:09 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/7/2010 3:18:08 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You have to really consider how far each advanced in their respective fields, and the impact that has on today.

With that in mind, I vote Darwin.

darwin doesn't take both of those. maybe the first, but definitely not the second.

Fixed speed of light vs. the origins of humanity? Darwin takes the cultural impact easily.

the past is no use to anyone.

Cultural impact =/= functionality.

yeah i was wondering. i was just on about impact.

does cultural impact trump everything around us that can be credited to einstein?

I feel Darwin made a bigger splash, and his imprint on society is far more visible.

Also, Einsteins fixed speed of light has helped me dispatch Godsands more than a few times =3.

And Badger, the past is useful, very useful. never discredit the past.
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6/7/2010 12:56:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Einstein, hands down. As far as science goes, he's the man!
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6/8/2010 12:46:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I don't see how you can pick "the greatest scientist". Both were great scientist, but how do you evaluate greatest especially across two totally different fields. I also couldn't entertain the discussion without including Newton.
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6/11/2010 4:03:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 5:21:08 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I think the most important inventor was Thomas Alva Edison.

FYI he didn't invent the light bulb... Anyway Darwin worked with another scientist - I forget his name - but Darwin is only half responsible for the theory of evolution even though he gets all the credit. I'd have to go with Einstein being the better scientist here because his thinking was advanced and contributed immensely to the study of physics, whereas people were bound to realize evolution lol prolly sooner than later.
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6/11/2010 4:09:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 4:04:27 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Plus we all know that the theory of evolution has been expanded upon and corrected since Darwin, etc.

on this point the same can be said for Einstein... no?

Though Einstein's IMO hands down the better scientist.

Plus... he was a cool guy :p
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