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2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM
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I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?
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2/4/2015 7:33:41 AM
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At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

according to a new and groundbreaking study recently published in the journal Psychological Medicine, which details how a study of more than 800 gay participants shared notable patterns in two regions of the human genome - one on the X chromosome and one on chromosome 8.
While many previous studies have looked into potential genetic drivers of homosexuality, these studies often boasted a significantly smaller sample size or lacked common controls. This is the first study of its kind to boast such a robust sample size and also be published in a scientific peer-reviewed paper.
Most stunningly, the team who conducted this study comes from the scientific community that has been hesitant to acknowledge the claims of previous studies, not because of their own opinions, but because of a lack of conclusive data.

source: http://journals.cambridge.org...
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2/4/2015 10:07:10 AM
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At 2/4/2015 7:33:41 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

according to a new and groundbreaking study recently published in the journal Psychological Medicine, which details how a study of more than 800 gay participants shared notable patterns in two regions of the human genome - one on the X chromosome and one on chromosome 8.
While many previous studies have looked into potential genetic drivers of homosexuality, these studies often boasted a significantly smaller sample size or lacked common controls. This is the first study of its kind to boast such a robust sample size and also be published in a scientific peer-reviewed paper.
Most stunningly, the team who conducted this study comes from the scientific community that has been hesitant to acknowledge the claims of previous studies, not because of their own opinions, but because of a lack of conclusive data.

source: http://journals.cambridge.org...

Not to sound offensive, but were there any gay people on this team? You might know that people will try to reject it when they see gays being the ones on the team and say "It's all nothing but homosexual bias." I do find this new and interesting.
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2/4/2015 5:17:33 PM
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At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

To my knowledge there are genetic, environmental (in utero, that is) and psychological factors at play, but I am not an expert on the issue.
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2/4/2015 5:42:18 PM
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I think one is born with it, much like being straight, but I won't say the same for transgenders.
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2/5/2015 8:30:28 PM
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At 2/4/2015 10:07:10 AM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 2/4/2015 7:33:41 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

according to a new and groundbreaking study recently published in the journal Psychological Medicine, which details how a study of more than 800 gay participants shared notable patterns in two regions of the human genome - one on the X chromosome and one on chromosome 8.
While many previous studies have looked into potential genetic drivers of homosexuality, these studies often boasted a significantly smaller sample size or lacked common controls. This is the first study of its kind to boast such a robust sample size and also be published in a scientific peer-reviewed paper.
Most stunningly, the team who conducted this study comes from the scientific community that has been hesitant to acknowledge the claims of previous studies, not because of their own opinions, but because of a lack of conclusive data.

source: http://journals.cambridge.org...

Not to sound offensive, but were there any gay people on this team? You might know that people will try to reject it when they see gays being the ones on the team and say "It's all nothing but homosexual bias." I do find this new and interesting.

Simple distrust is thankfully not enough to discredit science. This is a peer reviewed study, published in a scientific journal. It's methods and data have been examined by multiple experts in the field, not just by that team. Distrust is irrelevant. Any bias by the team would be discovered by the peer review process. That's why so many studies done by private Institutes, like the tobacco research Institute and big oil research companies, are discredited in the peer review process.
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2/5/2015 8:47:37 PM
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This national geographic video offers an explanation.
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2/6/2015 1:00:31 AM
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At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

Studies aside...who in their right mind would choose to be gay? If it was a choice it seems it would be more trouble than its worth.
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2/10/2015 7:05:06 PM
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At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

If you assume natural selection is at work with humans being Gay would end your genetic line very quickly. If it were genetic it would have been bred out a long time ago. I would not call it a choice either, more of environmental and psychological conditioning.
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2/10/2015 8:02:12 PM
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At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

Born with. If being gay was a choice I'd say a whole lot of African and Arab gays would have less problems. However, in the case of bisexuals it could be a choice TO AN EXTENT, even then I don't think their attraction for the same ex would be a choice. It's natural.
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2/12/2015 5:35:06 PM
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At 2/10/2015 7:05:06 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?


If you assume natural selection is at work with humans being Gay would end your genetic line very quickly. If it were genetic it would have been bred out a long time ago. I would not call it a choice either, more of environmental and psychological conditioning.

Or rather, "if you assume being gay would end your genetic line very quickly". I quote from wikipedia:

"Kin selection is the evolutionary strategy that favours the reproductive success of an organism's relatives, even at a cost to the organism's own survival and reproduction. Kin altruism is altruistic behaviour whose evolution is driven by kin selection. Kin selection is an instance of inclusive fitness, which combines the number of offspring produced with the number an individual can produce by supporting others, such as siblings."

"The "gay uncle" hypothesis posits that people who themselves do not have children may nonetheless increase the prevalence of their family's genes in future generations by providing resources (food, supervision, defense, shelter, etc.) to the offspring of their closest relatives."

According to Hamilton and Haldane, the evolutionary origin of altruism and homosexuality can both be explained by kin selection. In this sense, both adoption and homosexuality that seem counterproductive in terms of fitness, are not. And this may also explain why homosexuality is generaly selected positively through evolution: the more evolved the species is, the more prevalent is homosexuality.

Also:

"Genes predisposing to homosexuality may confer a mating advantage in heterosexuals, which could help explain the evolution and maintenance of homosexuality in the population." [...] "The heterosexual advantage hypothesis was given strong support by the 2004 Italian study demonstrating increased fecundity in the female matrilineal relatives of gay men.[29] As originally pointed out by Hamer,[56] even a modest increase in reproductive capacity in females carrying a "gay gene" could easily account for its maintenance at high levels in the population."

Also most of the studies I've read about the genetics of homosexuality, point out that there's not really a "gay gene", but rather the same genes responsible for heterosexuality are responsible for homosexuality, so it seems virtualy impossible to end homosexuality without ending "sexuality" as a whole.
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2/12/2015 8:36:04 PM
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At 2/12/2015 5:35:06 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 2/10/2015 7:05:06 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?


If you assume natural selection is at work with humans being Gay would end your genetic line very quickly. If it were genetic it would have been bred out a long time ago. I would not call it a choice either, more of environmental and psychological conditioning.

Or rather, "if you assume being gay would end your genetic line very quickly". I quote from wikipedia:

"Kin selection is the evolutionary strategy that favours the reproductive success of an organism's relatives, even at a cost to the organism's own survival and reproduction. Kin altruism is altruistic behaviour whose evolution is driven by kin selection. Kin selection is an instance of inclusive fitness, which combines the number of offspring produced with the number an individual can produce by supporting others, such as siblings."

"The "gay uncle" hypothesis posits that people who themselves do not have children may nonetheless increase the prevalence of their family's genes in future generations by providing resources (food, supervision, defense, shelter, etc.) to the offspring of their closest relatives."

According to Hamilton and Haldane, the evolutionary origin of altruism and homosexuality can both be explained by kin selection. In this sense, both adoption and homosexuality that seem counterproductive in terms of fitness, are not. And this may also explain why homosexuality is generaly selected positively through evolution: the more evolved the species is, the more prevalent is homosexuality.

Also:

"Genes predisposing to homosexuality may confer a mating advantage in heterosexuals, which could help explain the evolution and maintenance of homosexuality in the population." [...] "The heterosexual advantage hypothesis was given strong support by the 2004 Italian study demonstrating increased fecundity in the female matrilineal relatives of gay men.[29] As originally pointed out by Hamer,[56] even a modest increase in reproductive capacity in females carrying a "gay gene" could easily account for its maintenance at high levels in the population."

Also most of the studies I've read about the genetics of homosexuality, point out that there's not really a "gay gene", but rather the same genes responsible for heterosexuality are responsible for homosexuality, so it seems virtualy impossible to end homosexuality without ending "sexuality" as a whole.

Over time kin selection would still widdle down the gay gene pool. Since only those siblings who were not gay would likely have children. Then again being gay may be a recessive gene. Being Gay seems to go along with being recessive in my mind so maybe.
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2/13/2015 2:30:20 PM
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At 2/12/2015 8:36:04 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/12/2015 5:35:06 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 2/10/2015 7:05:06 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?


If you assume natural selection is at work with humans being Gay would end your genetic line very quickly. If it were genetic it would have been bred out a long time ago. I would not call it a choice either, more of environmental and psychological conditioning.

Or rather, "if you assume being gay would end your genetic line very quickly". I quote from wikipedia:

"Kin selection is the evolutionary strategy that favours the reproductive success of an organism's relatives, even at a cost to the organism's own survival and reproduction. Kin altruism is altruistic behaviour whose evolution is driven by kin selection. Kin selection is an instance of inclusive fitness, which combines the number of offspring produced with the number an individual can produce by supporting others, such as siblings."

"The "gay uncle" hypothesis posits that people who themselves do not have children may nonetheless increase the prevalence of their family's genes in future generations by providing resources (food, supervision, defense, shelter, etc.) to the offspring of their closest relatives."

According to Hamilton and Haldane, the evolutionary origin of altruism and homosexuality can both be explained by kin selection. In this sense, both adoption and homosexuality that seem counterproductive in terms of fitness, are not. And this may also explain why homosexuality is generaly selected positively through evolution: the more evolved the species is, the more prevalent is homosexuality.

Also:

"Genes predisposing to homosexuality may confer a mating advantage in heterosexuals, which could help explain the evolution and maintenance of homosexuality in the population." [...] "The heterosexual advantage hypothesis was given strong support by the 2004 Italian study demonstrating increased fecundity in the female matrilineal relatives of gay men.[29] As originally pointed out by Hamer,[56] even a modest increase in reproductive capacity in females carrying a "gay gene" could easily account for its maintenance at high levels in the population."

Also most of the studies I've read about the genetics of homosexuality, point out that there's not really a "gay gene", but rather the same genes responsible for heterosexuality are responsible for homosexuality, so it seems virtualy impossible to end homosexuality without ending "sexuality" as a whole.

Over time kin selection would still widdle down the gay gene pool. Since only those siblings who were not gay would likely have children. Then again being gay may be a recessive gene. Being Gay seems to go along with being recessive in my mind so maybe.

It is thought that homosexuality may also be, in part, be based on gene expression rather than mere presence. We simply don't know enough yet. Of course, genetics are known to play a role, the question is simply what role.

We know that sexual orientation is largely established by the time we're 3. This is of course long before anyone could make a meaningful choice about their sexual preference and so the notion that it's a choice is kind of ridiculous in and of itself.
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2/13/2015 9:09:00 PM
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At 2/13/2015 2:30:20 PM, Sosoconfused wrote:
At 2/12/2015 8:36:04 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/12/2015 5:35:06 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 2/10/2015 7:05:06 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?


If you assume natural selection is at work with humans being Gay would end your genetic line very quickly. If it were genetic it would have been bred out a long time ago. I would not call it a choice either, more of environmental and psychological conditioning.

Or rather, "if you assume being gay would end your genetic line very quickly". I quote from wikipedia:

"Kin selection is the evolutionary strategy that favours the reproductive success of an organism's relatives, even at a cost to the organism's own survival and reproduction. Kin altruism is altruistic behaviour whose evolution is driven by kin selection. Kin selection is an instance of inclusive fitness, which combines the number of offspring produced with the number an individual can produce by supporting others, such as siblings."

"The "gay uncle" hypothesis posits that people who themselves do not have children may nonetheless increase the prevalence of their family's genes in future generations by providing resources (food, supervision, defense, shelter, etc.) to the offspring of their closest relatives."

According to Hamilton and Haldane, the evolutionary origin of altruism and homosexuality can both be explained by kin selection. In this sense, both adoption and homosexuality that seem counterproductive in terms of fitness, are not. And this may also explain why homosexuality is generaly selected positively through evolution: the more evolved the species is, the more prevalent is homosexuality.

Also:

"Genes predisposing to homosexuality may confer a mating advantage in heterosexuals, which could help explain the evolution and maintenance of homosexuality in the population." [...] "The heterosexual advantage hypothesis was given strong support by the 2004 Italian study demonstrating increased fecundity in the female matrilineal relatives of gay men.[29] As originally pointed out by Hamer,[56] even a modest increase in reproductive capacity in females carrying a "gay gene" could easily account for its maintenance at high levels in the population."

Also most of the studies I've read about the genetics of homosexuality, point out that there's not really a "gay gene", but rather the same genes responsible for heterosexuality are responsible for homosexuality, so it seems virtualy impossible to end homosexuality without ending "sexuality" as a whole.

Over time kin selection would still widdle down the gay gene pool. Since only those siblings who were not gay would likely have children. Then again being gay may be a recessive gene. Being Gay seems to go along with being recessive in my mind so maybe.

It is thought that homosexuality may also be, in part, be based on gene expression rather than mere presence. We simply don't know enough yet. Of course, genetics are known to play a role, the question is simply what role.

We know that sexual orientation is largely established by the time we're 3. This is of course long before anyone could make a meaningful choice about their sexual preference and so the notion that it's a choice is kind of ridiculous in and of itself.

Do you have studies to back the age you suggest? Are 3 year olds even aware of what sexual expression is, or is it molded by those around them.
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2/21/2015 2:39:06 PM
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Some people choose to be gay because its cool or traumatic experiences with people of the opposite sex. Some people are just born that way. If they weren't why would so many religious people kill them selves because if it or be gay despite being on a community where that would get you shunned or even killed?
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2/21/2015 5:56:10 PM
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http://www.education.com...

http://www.sevencounties.org...

http://m.kidshealth.org...

http://www.m.wehibmd.com...: At 2/13/2015 9:09:00 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/13/2015 2:30:20 PM, Sosoconfused wrote:
At 2/12/2015 8:36:04 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/12/2015 5:35:06 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 2/10/2015 7:05:06 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?


If you assume natural selection is at work with humans being Gay would end your genetic line very quickly. If it were genetic it would have been bred out a long time ago. I would not call it a choice either, more of environmental and psychological conditioning.

Or rather, "if you assume being gay would end your genetic line very quickly". I quote from wikipedia:

"Kin selection is the evolutionary strategy that favours the reproductive success of an organism's relatives, even at a cost to the organism's own survival and reproduction. Kin altruism is altruistic behaviour whose evolution is driven by kin selection. Kin selection is an instance of inclusive fitness, which combines the number of offspring produced with the number an individual can produce by supporting others, such as siblings."

"The "gay uncle" hypothesis posits that people who themselves do not have children may nonetheless increase the prevalence of their family's genes in future generations by providing resources (food, supervision, defense, shelter, etc.) to the offspring of their closest relatives."

According to Hamilton and Haldane, the evolutionary origin of altruism and homosexuality can both be explained by kin selection. In this sense, both adoption and homosexuality that seem counterproductive in terms of fitness, are not. And this may also explain why homosexuality is generaly selected positively through evolution: the more evolved the species is, the more prevalent is homosexuality.

Also:

"Genes predisposing to homosexuality may confer a mating advantage in heterosexuals, which could help explain the evolution and maintenance of homosexuality in the population." [...] "The heterosexual advantage hypothesis was given strong support by the 2004 Italian study demonstrating increased fecundity in the female matrilineal relatives of gay men.[29] As originally pointed out by Hamer,[56] even a modest increase in reproductive capacity in females carrying a "gay gene" could easily account for its maintenance at high levels in the population."

Also most of the studies I've read about the genetics of homosexuality, point out that there's not really a "gay gene", but rather the same genes responsible for heterosexuality are responsible for homosexuality, so it seems virtualy impossible to end homosexuality without ending "sexuality" as a whole.

Over time kin selection would still widdle down the gay gene pool. Since only those siblings who were not gay would likely have children. Then again being gay may be a recessive gene. Being Gay seems to go along with being recessive in my mind so maybe.

It is thought that homosexuality may also be, in part, be based on gene expression rather than mere presence. We simply don't know enough yet. Of course, genetics are known to play a role, the question is simply what role.

We know that sexual orientation is largely established by the time we're 3. This is of course long before anyone could make a meaningful choice about their sexual preference and so the notion that it's a choice is kind of ridiculous in and of itself.

Do you have studies to back the age you suggest? Are 3 year olds even aware of what sexual expression is, or is it molded by those around them.

If you were truly interested in knowledge, you could easily do the research for yourself on google. Since you are posting on an online website, one may presume you have a computer and internet access. However, in an effort to goad you out of willful ignorance,iwiprovprovide you with a few rereputable sources for information. None of these are supported by organizations pro or con. Neither LAMBDA nor the so called Family Research Council are represented here.

I encourage all to arm themselves with the best available knowledge, not hearsay, rumor, religious demagogue, or homophobia.

Unfortunately, my cell phone insists on copying these links to the top of this post. Please pardon the technology glitch.
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2/21/2015 6:09:56 PM
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At 2/21/2015 5:56:10 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
http://www.education.com...

http://www.sevencounties.org...

http://m.kidshealth.org...

http://www.m.wehibmd.com...: At 2/13/2015 9:09:00 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/13/2015 2:30:20 PM, Sosoconfused wrote:
At 2/12/2015 8:36:04 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/12/2015 5:35:06 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 2/10/2015 7:05:06 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?


If you assume natural selection is at work with humans being Gay would end your genetic line very quickly. If it were genetic it would have been bred out a long time ago. I would not call it a choice either, more of environmental and psychological conditioning.

Or rather, "if you assume being gay would end your genetic line very quickly". I quote from wikipedia:

"Kin selection is the evolutionary strategy that favours the reproductive success of an organism's relatives, even at a cost to the organism's own survival and reproduction. Kin altruism is altruistic behaviour whose evolution is driven by kin selection. Kin selection is an instance of inclusive fitness, which combines the number of offspring produced with the number an individual can produce by supporting others, such as siblings."

"The "gay uncle" hypothesis posits that people who themselves do not have children may nonetheless increase the prevalence of their family's genes in future generations by providing resources (food, supervision, defense, shelter, etc.) to the offspring of their closest relatives."

According to Hamilton and Haldane, the evolutionary origin of altruism and homosexuality can both be explained by kin selection. In this sense, both adoption and homosexuality that seem counterproductive in terms of fitness, are not. And this may also explain why homosexuality is generaly selected positively through evolution: the more evolved the species is, the more prevalent is homosexuality.

Also:

"Genes predisposing to homosexuality may confer a mating advantage in heterosexuals, which could help explain the evolution and maintenance of homosexuality in the population." [...] "The heterosexual advantage hypothesis was given strong support by the 2004 Italian study demonstrating increased fecundity in the female matrilineal relatives of gay men.[29] As originally pointed out by Hamer,[56] even a modest increase in reproductive capacity in females carrying a "gay gene" could easily account for its maintenance at high levels in the population."

Also most of the studies I've read about the genetics of homosexuality, point out that there's not really a "gay gene", but rather the same genes responsible for heterosexuality are responsible for homosexuality, so it seems virtualy impossible to end homosexuality without ending "sexuality" as a whole.

Over time kin selection would still widdle down the gay gene pool. Since only those siblings who were not gay would likely have children. Then again being gay may be a recessive gene. Being Gay seems to go along with being recessive in my mind so maybe.

It is thought that homosexuality may also be, in part, be based on gene expression rather than mere presence. We simply don't know enough yet. Of course, genetics are known to play a role, the question is simply what role.

We know that sexual orientation is largely established by the time we're 3. This is of course long before anyone could make a meaningful choice about their sexual preference and so the notion that it's a choice is kind of ridiculous in and of itself.

Do you have studies to back the age you suggest? Are 3 year olds even aware of what sexual expression is, or is it molded by those around them.

If you were truly interested in knowledge, you could easily do the research for yourself on google. Since you are posting on an online website, one may presume you have a computer and internet access. However, in an effort to goad you out of willful ignorance,iwiprovprovide you with a few rereputable sources for information. None of these are supported by organizations pro or con. Neither LAMBDA nor the so called Family Research Council are represented here.

I encourage all to arm themselves with the best available knowledge, not hearsay, rumor, religious demagogue, or homophobia.

Unfortunately, my cell phone insists on copying these links to the top of this post. Please pardon the technology glitch.

Like everything else I have read in my psychology classes in College, it is all guess work. Not a lick of evidence that there is a true gay gene or gene sequence. All that the studies say is it is nature and nurture. Maybe there is a highly recessive gay gene sequence and some straight people are carriers, but anything the reduces the likely hood of passing on your genes will in time get phased out of the gene pool. That has not happened so I suggest it is not genetic but instead a choice. In my opinion saying Gays have chosen their lifestyle is more empowering than assuming it is a genetic thing they cannot control.
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2/23/2015 4:08:30 PM
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At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

It's probably more complicated than that, CP. We know from research that:

* Boys are more likely to be gay if they are the second son than the eldest son -- so perhaps hormonal balances in the womb affect sexual predisposition;
* Many gay, lesbian and transgender people report strong feelings in early childhood, before they even understood what the feelings meant, so whatever attractions are happening cannot be always or entirely adult choice;
* People go through a range of sexual predispositions in their lives -- especially in teen years (so-called Gay until Graduation and Lesbian Until Penetration effects), but the same can also be seen in late middle age (heterosexuall married with children, suddenly LGBT);
* Under the effects of alcohol men tend to get more interested in whomever they're normally interested in, but women tend to get more interested in *everyone*, so individual sex hormone effects are likely to play a part. This is supported by reports of changing sexual predispositions under the effects of hormones too;
* Abused children have a higher likelihood of showing LGBT behaviour later than children who are not sexually abused;
* In prisons, monasteries and other long-term same-sex groups, homosexuality is higher than in mixed-sex groups, and moreover some individuals who are homosexual in those groups are exclusively heterosexual in mixed-sex groups.

So it might not be as simple as nature/nurture. It might be a complex combination of nature, gestation, nurture, maturation, endocrinology and opportunism.

I hope that may be useful.
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3/13/2015 2:02:36 PM
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Sexuality is such an incredibly complex topic. I think that it is both a learnt behaviour and something that your born with.

Look at this study showing how rats licking their young actually affects the epigenetics of their babies.

Seemingly mature and nurture are not separate entities.

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu...
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3/13/2015 4:38:14 PM
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I would like to point out that transgender and transsexual are two completely different things.
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3/13/2015 4:50:50 PM
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People can be born homosexual.
They can be born a Hermaphrodite can be defined as:

"an individual in which reproductive organs of both sexes are present.
Compare pseudohermaphrodite." or "combining two opposite qualities. "

*a person having both male and female sexual characteristics and genital tissues

This can cause sexual confusion. And liking both genders.

http://dictionary.reference.com...
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3/13/2015 8:17:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/13/2015 4:50:50 PM, Lee001 wrote:
People can be born homosexual.
They can be born a Hermaphrodite can be defined as:

"an individual in which reproductive organs of both sexes are present.
Compare pseudohermaphrodite." or "combining two opposite qualities. "

*a person having both male and female sexual characteristics and genital tissues

This can cause sexual confusion. And liking both genders.

http://dictionary.reference.com...

I don't know what's more stupid, your avatar, or what you have just said.
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3/25/2015 6:23:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/3/2015 9:35:48 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I decided to put this as a question on the science forum in case some research can be used for the Born With.

So is Homosexuality something you choose or is homosexuality something your born with if you have it?

There is no easy answer but it's both. According to the book "Torn" there are several studies showing that people can have a more dominant "feminine" gene or male. Look it up to be sure cuz i can't explain it at the top of my head lol.