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were the alchemists on to something?

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2/10/2015 9:42:16 PM
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At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

Using chemistry to change elements? No, they were not! That's not to say they didn't gain valuable knowledge in the process.
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2/10/2015 9:50:44 PM
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At 2/10/2015 9:42:16 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

Using chemistry to change elements? No, they were not! That's not to say they didn't gain valuable knowledge in the process.

But the atomic level was one away.
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2/10/2015 9:58:57 PM
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At 2/10/2015 9:50:44 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
At 2/10/2015 9:42:16 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

Using chemistry to change elements? No, they were not! That's not to say they didn't gain valuable knowledge in the process.

But the atomic level was one away.

You can't use chemistry to change elements. There might be an exception or two, but they weren't going to accomplish it. Never. We still can't with modern chemistry.
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2/10/2015 10:05:09 PM
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At 2/10/2015 9:58:57 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 2/10/2015 9:50:44 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
At 2/10/2015 9:42:16 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

Using chemistry to change elements? No, they were not! That's not to say they didn't gain valuable knowledge in the process.

But the atomic level was one away.

You can't use chemistry to change elements. There might be an exception or two, but they weren't going to accomplish it. Never. We still can't with modern chemistry.

I never said they could do it but if they were on to an idea.
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2/10/2015 10:10:56 PM
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At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

Nah. It's a nice thought, but it's like understanding dna and thinking that a couple of proteins can lead you to turn a gerbil into a bear.
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2/10/2015 10:15:22 PM
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At 2/10/2015 10:10:56 PM, Such wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

Nah. It's a nice thought, but it's like understanding dna and thinking that a couple of proteins can lead you to turn a gerbil into a bear.

YAY!!! GERBY-BEAR, its so cute....

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2/11/2015 3:17:34 AM
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At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

Some radioactive isotopes of mercury spontaneously turn into gold, unfortunately the particular isotopes that do this have long since decayed away so they are not found in natural mercury but only in synthetic radioisotopes created in a lab. The gold generated this way does not cover the cost of manufacture and is only done for research purposes.
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2/11/2015 3:33:06 AM
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At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

they were...somewhat.

Theoretically, if we can expel one proton from the nucleus of an atom of mercury, we have transmuted it into an atom of gold. The process is difficult since an atom of mercury has eighty electrons; eighty orbits have to be broken through as well as the electric field round the nucleus. The first experiment was, however, carried out years ago at the Physical-Technical State Institute of Berlin. The bombarding particles were given a high speed by means of a field of 30,000 volts, and a small, but observable quantity of gold was produced from quicksilver. Unfortunately, such laboratory transmutation can never be reproduced on a commercial scale.
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2/11/2015 5:18:46 AM
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At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

I think they were on to something. Alchemists had on their lines some of the best scientists of all time like Boyle, Paracelsus and Newton, and they somehow realized, without a periodic table, that plumb (Pb) and gold (Au) were remarkably similar, and they were convinced one could turn into another. Today we know they were right, as demonstrated, if I recall correctly, by the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in the 60s, which transmuted small particles of bismuth, mercury and plumb, into gold.

Still no trace of the Philosopher's Stone though :)
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3/15/2015 7:24:26 PM
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At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to tranmute mercury into gold?

Nope. One cannot change the attributes of individual elements by mixing chemicals.
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3/16/2015 12:25:49 AM
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At 2/10/2015 8:51:51 PM, clearcrystal76 wrote:
Were they on to an idea when they tried to transmute mercury into gold?

Probably not, CC. Isaac Newton -- one of the smartest scientists of the Enlightenment -- wasted most of his career on alchemy and got nowhere.

Nearly all his productive work in mathematics, motion, gravity and optics was completed before the age of 25. After such a huge output, what killed his productivity thereafter was pursuing a discipline that didn't work.

In a modern sense, we now understand why. Although gold and mercury are atomically similar, the process needed to transmute mercury to gold requires high energy. It can be achieved through a nuclear reactor, via particle accelerator, or at very high electrical tension. The earliest such transmutation I know of used electricity to produce minute quantities in 1924 -- an experiment that has since been repeated. [http://myuci.net...]