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Volkov
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7/15/2010 11:46:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
http://www.visioncritical.com...

According to this Angus Reid poll, 47% of Americans believe in creationism, as opposed to 24% of Canadians and 16% of Britons.

Only 35% of Americans profess to "believe" in evolution, compared to 61% of Canadians and 68% of Britons.

Those are some sad, sad results. Why is it evolution has such a hard time reaching out to the population in the US?
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7/15/2010 11:48:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Because we have a lot of religious zealots and Fox News.
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7/15/2010 11:53:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
If you look at the regional results, only the Northeast has a plurality of evolution adherents, while the South and etc. all have either majorities or pluralities with evolution never breaching 40%.

Yet in Canada's most conservative regions, Alberta and SK/MN, evolution is still the majority reason for both regions.

I don't get it - what about the US is so damn religious?
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7/15/2010 12:03:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 11:53:11 AM, Volkov wrote:
If you look at the regional results, only the Northeast has a plurality of evolution adherents, while the South and etc. all have either majorities or pluralities with evolution never breaching 40%.

Yet in Canada's most conservative regions, Alberta and SK/MN, evolution is still the majority reason for both regions.

I don't get it - what about the US is so damn religious?

Because our first settlers came here for religious reasons. We've always been a religious country. We weren't FOUNDED on religion, but because there were so many religious people who came here to escape religious persecution, it stuck.
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7/15/2010 12:04:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
My parents came here because of religious persecution.
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Volkov
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7/15/2010 12:07:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 12:03:46 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
Because our first settlers came here for religious reasons. We've always been a religious country. We weren't FOUNDED on religion, but because there were so many religious people who came here to escape religious persecution, it stuck.

Makes sense, I 'spose. Just seems odd to me that one of the most scientifically advanced countries in the world, with people who deal with evolutionary thought on a daily basis, is so highly vulnerable to pseudo-scientific creation stories.
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7/15/2010 12:27:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 11:46:07 AM, Volkov wrote:
http://www.visioncritical.com...

According to this Angus Reid poll, 47% of Americans believe in creationism, as opposed to 24% of Canadians and 16% of Britons.

Only 35% of Americans profess to "believe" in evolution, compared to 61% of Canadians and 68% of Britons.

Those are some sad, sad results. Why is it evolution has such a hard time reaching out to the population in the US?:

While I'm sure the numbers are high, I'm often leery of "polls." Call that an argument of incredulity, if you will, but isn't it equally fallacious to assume an appeal to authority?
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7/15/2010 2:14:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 12:03:46 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
At 7/15/2010 11:53:11 AM, Volkov wrote:
If you look at the regional results, only the Northeast has a plurality of evolution adherents, while the South and etc. all have either majorities or pluralities with evolution never breaching 40%.

Yet in Canada's most conservative regions, Alberta and SK/MN, evolution is still the majority reason for both regions.

I don't get it - what about the US is so damn religious?

Because our first settlers came here for religious reasons. We've always been a religious country. We weren't FOUNDED on religion, but because there were so many religious people who came here to escape religious persecution, it stuck.

Not entirely true. That's just the myth.

Some settlers came for religious reasons, others came because they were incredibly desperate for land, ie to have a livelihood. "Freedom of religion" as the reason we came here is more of a nationalist myth than anything, really. The Puritans wanted freedom for their beliefs, certainly, but more accurately they wanted to forge a Puritan community.

I'd be interested to know where our fundamentalism comes from as well. We're often comparable to fundamentalist Islamic countries instead of developed Christian countries. I think part of it may be because we were cut off from the Catholic Church and had so many offshoots of Christianity free to be in charge here, which meant we had less tradition and rules--which is what you need to have less of for blazing faith born-again movements like we've had many times throughout our country's history.
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7/15/2010 3:05:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 11:53:11 AM, Volkov wrote:
If you look at the regional results, only the Northeast has a plurality of evolution adherents, while the South and etc. all have either majorities or pluralities with evolution never breaching 40%.

Lol, the South. Secede!
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7/15/2010 3:22:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 11:46:07 AM, Volkov wrote:
http://www.visioncritical.com...

According to this Angus Reid poll, 47% of Americans believe in creationism, as opposed to 24% of Canadians and 16% of Britons.

Only 35% of Americans profess to "believe" in evolution, compared to 61% of Canadians and 68% of Britons.

Those are some sad, sad results. Why is it evolution has such a hard time reaching out to the population in the US?

1. Online poll.
2. By the pollsters website users.

Not saying it's inaccurate, just that there's a fairly large selection bias happening. :P
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7/15/2010 3:27:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 3:22:31 PM, Puck wrote:
1. Online poll.
2. By the pollsters website users.

Not saying it's inaccurate, just that there's a fairly large selection bias happening. :P

While I won't vouch for Angus Reid's accuracy (they do a lot of political polling that makes me squirm), it isn't the run-of-the-mill website poll - internet polling like what AR done is fairly checked over, sampled, weighted, and seen as reliable. It's an actual polling methodology, instead of "click button to vote!"
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7/15/2010 4:27:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 3:27:43 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/15/2010 3:22:31 PM, Puck wrote:
1. Online poll.
2. By the pollsters website users.

Not saying it's inaccurate, just that there's a fairly large selection bias happening. :P

While I won't vouch for Angus Reid's accuracy (they do a lot of political polling that makes me squirm), it isn't the run-of-the-mill website poll - internet polling like what AR done is fairly checked over, sampled, weighted, and seen as reliable. It's an actual polling methodology, instead of "click button to vote!"

They're horribly biased. If you were to ask a British conservative that is somewhat adept in politics about Angus Reid, i think you would understand their reputation better as pollsters.
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7/15/2010 9:21:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 11:46:07 AM, Volkov wrote:
http://www.visioncritical.com...

According to this Angus Reid poll, 47% of Americans believe in creationism, as opposed to 24% of Canadians and 16% of Britons.

Only 35% of Americans profess to "believe" in evolution, compared to 61% of Canadians and 68% of Britons.

Those are some sad, sad results. Why is it evolution has such a hard time reaching out to the population in the US?

There's proof that most Americans are stupid. Here's a sad video:
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7/15/2010 9:23:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I've seen that video. It's pretty funny. It's just a small sample though so it's likely inaccurate on judging the intelligence of all Americans.
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7/15/2010 9:27:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 9:23:37 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I've seen that video. It's pretty funny. It's just a small sample though so it's likely inaccurate on judging the intelligence of all Americans.

Well duh its not accurate on all Americans, but its still funny, and scary to think that some people actually think like this. Its cause people all want tax cuts they cut school budgets theres teachers and the intelligence goes to crap. Or people are told not to listen in school because they might learn science that contradicts the bible.
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7/15/2010 9:27:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 9:21:52 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/15/2010 11:46:07 AM, Volkov wrote:
http://www.visioncritical.com...

According to this Angus Reid poll, 47% of Americans believe in creationism, as opposed to 24% of Canadians and 16% of Britons.

Only 35% of Americans profess to "believe" in evolution, compared to 61% of Canadians and 68% of Britons.

Those are some sad, sad results. Why is it evolution has such a hard time reaching out to the population in the US?

There's proof that most Americans are stupid. Here's a sad video:



....That has to be a joke...
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7/15/2010 11:28:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 9:27:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:21:52 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/15/2010 11:46:07 AM, Volkov wrote:
http://www.visioncritical.com...

According to this Angus Reid poll, 47% of Americans believe in creationism, as opposed to 24% of Canadians and 16% of Britons.

Only 35% of Americans profess to "believe" in evolution, compared to 61% of Canadians and 68% of Britons.

Those are some sad, sad results. Why is it evolution has such a hard time reaching out to the population in the US?

There's proof that most Americans are stupid. Here's a sad video:



....That has to be a joke...

I know some people in America. Sad to say, it doesn't seem very joke-ish once you've been here a while (I thought you were American, but didn't actually check lol) Triangle question was actually on our geometry test last semester. 1/3 of the class (about 20 kids) got it wrong. It was even multiple choice....
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7/16/2010 7:20:48 AM
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At 7/16/2010 5:38:35 AM, Pirate wrote:
Soooo.... Anybody considered nuking them?

What, the U.S? Me and---uhh I mean no one would ever do such a thing, its the greatest country ever. I'm just gunna go to Canada to uhhh....better my inderstanding of how great it is....and going to Europe when we--uhh want a vacation ^.^
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7/16/2010 7:51:20 AM
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At 7/15/2010 9:21:52 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/15/2010 11:46:07 AM, Volkov wrote:
http://www.visioncritical.com...

According to this Angus Reid poll, 47% of Americans believe in creationism, as opposed to 24% of Canadians and 16% of Britons.

Only 35% of Americans profess to "believe" in evolution, compared to 61% of Canadians and 68% of Britons.

Those are some sad, sad results. Why is it evolution has such a hard time reaching out to the population in the US?

There's proof that most Americans are stupid. Here's a sad video:



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I was just about to say: "I'm from England and I'm speaking English with an English accent," but I stopped myself just in time!
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7/16/2010 9:05:48 AM
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Want to see some scary numbers?

I'll show you some scary numbers: 666!
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7/16/2010 9:19:48 AM
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At 7/16/2010 9:05:48 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Want to see some scary numbers?

I'll show you some scary numbers: 666!

Thats my fave number. Also fond of the numbers 3, 5, 7, 13, 15, 69, 73, 79, 82, 85, 87, 88, 93, 95, 99, 111, 123, 144, 156, 169, 178, 192, 213, 214, 222, 267, 333, 345, 412, 438, 444, 472, 493, 517, 555, 589, 612, (of course 666) 675, 692....don't feel like listing them all.
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7/16/2010 9:42:42 AM
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I think there is a Law of Conservation of Weird Beliefs. If you don't believe in weird thing X, that increases the probability that you will believe in weird thing Y. We now have a majority that believe ghosts are real and we have about a third that believe astrology is accurate. Young people have much higher percentages of belief in those things. As religion fades, other nutcase beliefs fill the void. If you carefully go through the data from countries around the world, the types of weird belief varies, but the quantity remains high everywhere.

It is easiest to maintain weird beliefs that have little or no impact on one's daily life. Ask New Yorker's, "Is it safe to cross the street without watching for traffic?" and I suspect that few would express the weird notion it was safe. But creationism, ghosts, and global warming crisis are easy to maintain, because there is little day-to-day contradiction.

Thus, the weirdest of weird beliefs is that Obama is doing an excellent job as President. That is the most difficult to sustain in the face of daily events.
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7/16/2010 9:50:31 AM
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At 7/16/2010 9:42:42 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
I think there is a Law of Conservation of Weird Beliefs. If you don't believe in weird thing X, that increases the probability that you will believe in weird thing Y. We now have a majority that believe ghosts are real and we have about a third that believe astrology is accurate. Young people have much higher percentages of belief in those things. As religion fades, other nutcase beliefs fill the void. If you carefully go through the data from countries around the world, the types of weird belief varies, but the quantity remains high everywhere.

It is easiest to maintain weird beliefs that have little or no impact on one's daily life. Ask New Yorker's, "Is it safe to cross the street without watching for traffic?" and I suspect that few would express the weird notion it was safe. But creationism, ghosts, and global warming crisis are easy to maintain, because there is little day-to-day contradiction.

Thus, the weirdest of weird beliefs is that Obama is doing an excellent job as President. That is the most difficult to sustain in the face of daily events.

Only Roy could twist an argument about the irrational belief in religion into an anti-Obama diatribe!
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