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4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this? Do you agree? What changes will this have on the environment? Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?
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4/21/2015 12:51:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this? Do you agree? What changes will this have on the environment? Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

I have a hard time finding any reasonable objections.
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4/21/2015 12:54:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 12:51:03 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this? Do you agree? What changes will this have on the environment? Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

I have a hard time finding any reasonable objections.

so your all for it?
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4/21/2015 1:02:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 12:58:20 PM, TBR wrote:
so your all for it?

Sure...

What would it eat? Do you think it'd destroy the environment?
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4/21/2015 1:04:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 1:02:04 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 12:58:20 PM, TBR wrote:
so your all for it?

Sure...

What would it eat? Do you think it'd destroy the environment?

Well, one - it is very close to the elephant. It would eat Purina elephant chow
http://purinamills.com...

And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?
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4/21/2015 1:10:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 1:04:54 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:02:04 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 12:58:20 PM, TBR wrote:
so your all for it?

Sure...

What would it eat? Do you think it'd destroy the environment?

Well, one - it is very close to the elephant. It would eat Purina elephant chow
http://purinamills.com...

And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.
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4/21/2015 1:13:42 PM
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And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.

It would live in reserves. I doubt anyone is expecting to release it into the wild. Zoologist would make better choices for living conditions than I could guess at. They may not get it "right" but I doubt that it would be so wrong as to cause real harm to the animal.
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4/21/2015 1:16:12 PM
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I just looked up Elephant reserves. In India, they have ~2000 Elephants in reserves on a total of ~16k^2km of land.
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4/21/2015 1:19:39 PM
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At 4/21/2015 1:13:42 PM, TBR wrote:
And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.

It would live in reserves. I doubt anyone is expecting to release it into the wild. Zoologist would make better choices for living conditions than I could guess at. They may not get it "right" but I doubt that it would be so wrong as to cause real harm to the animal.

It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.
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4/21/2015 1:21:59 PM
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It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.

I think you are over thinking it. The conditions are not impossible to mimic close enough. The animal(s) are hearty enough to survive slight differences in climate, or diet. If I picked YOU up, and set you down in the timeframe that the Mammoth lived, YOU could survive just fine too.
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4/21/2015 1:31:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 1:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.

I think you are over thinking it. The conditions are not impossible to mimic close enough. The animal(s) are hearty enough to survive slight differences in climate, or diet. If I picked YOU up, and set you down in the timeframe that the Mammoth lived, YOU could survive just fine too.

lol as long as i don't get killed by wild animals and early humans.
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4/21/2015 1:37:17 PM
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lol as long as i don't get killed by wild animals and early humans.

Got to die from something.
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4/21/2015 1:41:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 1:37:17 PM, TBR wrote:

lol as long as i don't get killed by wild animals and early humans.

Got to die from something.

lol i'd rather die from old age than getting eaten or cooked.
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4/21/2015 1:59:17 PM
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lol i'd rather die from old age than getting eaten or cooked.

Let me see... Die of old age in the year 20??, or die being the first time-traveling modern human man to the year... lets say 1bya squished by some extinct beast.

I will giggle as the enormous foot squishes the life out of me.
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4/21/2015 2:03:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 1:59:17 PM, TBR wrote:

lol i'd rather die from old age than getting eaten or cooked.

Let me see... Die of old age in the year 20??, or die being the first time-traveling modern human man to the year... lets say 1bya squished by some extinct beast.

I will giggle as the enormous foot squishes the life out of me.

lol i'd rather die an old man in the ice age :P
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4/21/2015 4:30:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this?

I find it interesting and a cool initiative. It will let us study mammoths in depth and could be used as a pilote experiment to resurrect extinct species destroyed by human activity.

Do you agree?

Yes :)

What changes will this have on the environment?

I don't think it will be released in the wilds, so the changes it will cause on a controled environment like a reserve are not really relevant. It is just one specimen. But if scientists wanted to create a stable population of mammoths, they should of course make a previous experiment of environmental assessment to ensure that no damage will occur to the other species of the natural reserve. This is a protocol activity always performed when you want to introduce (or reintroduce) species in a natural reserve.

Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

Yes I see it benefical for the reasons mentioned above :) And yes I think it is not a very complex task for our current resources, so I believe it will work without major problems.
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4/21/2015 5:00:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 1:19:39 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:13:42 PM, TBR wrote:
And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.

It would live in reserves. I doubt anyone is expecting to release it into the wild. Zoologist would make better choices for living conditions than I could guess at. They may not get it "right" but I doubt that it would be so wrong as to cause real harm to the animal.

It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.

They're not that old. I doubt providing it a suitable habitat and diet would be much of an issue. They're not looking to create a million of them anyway, right? Just enough to study them.
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4/21/2015 6:14:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 4:30:39 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this?

I find it interesting and a cool initiative. It will let us study mammoths in depth and could be used as a pilote experiment to resurrect extinct species destroyed by human activity.

That's true. I want to see dinosaurs and ancient species alive again.

Do you agree?

Yes :)

What changes will this have on the environment?

I don't think it will be released in the wilds, so the changes it will cause on a controled environment like a reserve are not really relevant. It is just one specimen. But if scientists wanted to create a stable population of mammoths, they should of course make a previous experiment of environmental assessment to ensure that no damage will occur to the other species of the natural reserve. This is a protocol activity always performed when you want to introduce (or reintroduce) species in a natural reserve.

What if it has a short life span? Diet? Space?

Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

Yes I see it benefical for the reasons mentioned above :) And yes I think it is not a very complex task for our current resources, so I believe it will work without major problems.
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4/21/2015 6:17:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 5:00:34 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:19:39 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:13:42 PM, TBR wrote:
And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.

It would live in reserves. I doubt anyone is expecting to release it into the wild. Zoologist would make better choices for living conditions than I could guess at. They may not get it "right" but I doubt that it would be so wrong as to cause real harm to the animal.

It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.

They're not that old. I doubt providing it a suitable habitat and diet would be much of an issue. They're not looking to create a million of them anyway, right? Just enough to study them.

I suppose, i'd always wanted to know about ancient species. Maybe they can bring back the dinosaurs. There's a scientific plausibility on that. Who knows, maybe we'll be able to make a theme park on different time periods. The possibilities are endless.
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4/21/2015 6:22:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 6:17:16 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 5:00:34 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:19:39 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:13:42 PM, TBR wrote:
And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.

It would live in reserves. I doubt anyone is expecting to release it into the wild. Zoologist would make better choices for living conditions than I could guess at. They may not get it "right" but I doubt that it would be so wrong as to cause real harm to the animal.

It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.

They're not that old. I doubt providing it a suitable habitat and diet would be much of an issue. They're not looking to create a million of them anyway, right? Just enough to study them.

I suppose, i'd always wanted to know about ancient species. Maybe they can bring back the dinosaurs. There's a scientific plausibility on that. Who knows, maybe we'll be able to make a theme park on different time periods. The possibilities are endless.

I would be cool with that.
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4/21/2015 6:43:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 6:14:56 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 4:30:39 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this?

I find it interesting and a cool initiative. It will let us study mammoths in depth and could be used as a pilote experiment to resurrect extinct species destroyed by human activity.

That's true. I want to see dinosaurs and ancient species alive again.

Do you agree?

Yes :)

What changes will this have on the environment?

I don't think it will be released in the wilds, so the changes it will cause on a controled environment like a reserve are not really relevant. It is just one specimen. But if scientists wanted to create a stable population of mammoths, they should of course make a previous experiment of environmental assessment to ensure that no damage will occur to the other species of the natural reserve. This is a protocol activity always performed when you want to introduce (or reintroduce) species in a natural reserve.

What if it has a short life span? Diet? Space?

The important thing is not if it has a short life span, its diet, or the territory it is able to dominate, but to take good note of all those things :)

Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

Yes I see it benefical for the reasons mentioned above :) And yes I think it is not a very complex task for our current resources, so I believe it will work without major problems.
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4/21/2015 6:45:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 6:43:00 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 4/21/2015 6:14:56 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 4:30:39 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this?

I find it interesting and a cool initiative. It will let us study mammoths in depth and could be used as a pilote experiment to resurrect extinct species destroyed by human activity.

That's true. I want to see dinosaurs and ancient species alive again.

Do you agree?

Yes :)

What changes will this have on the environment?

I don't think it will be released in the wilds, so the changes it will cause on a controled environment like a reserve are not really relevant. It is just one specimen. But if scientists wanted to create a stable population of mammoths, they should of course make a previous experiment of environmental assessment to ensure that no damage will occur to the other species of the natural reserve. This is a protocol activity always performed when you want to introduce (or reintroduce) species in a natural reserve.

What if it has a short life span? Diet? Space?

The important thing is not if it has a short life span, its diet, or the territory it is able to dominate, but to take good note of all those things :)

Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

Yes I see it benefical for the reasons mentioned above :) And yes I think it is not a very complex task for our current resources, so I believe it will work without major problems.

Do you think it's ethical?
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4/21/2015 6:49:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 6:45:18 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 6:43:00 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 4/21/2015 6:14:56 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 4:30:39 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this?

I find it interesting and a cool initiative. It will let us study mammoths in depth and could be used as a pilote experiment to resurrect extinct species destroyed by human activity.

That's true. I want to see dinosaurs and ancient species alive again.

Do you agree?

Yes :)

What changes will this have on the environment?

I don't think it will be released in the wilds, so the changes it will cause on a controled environment like a reserve are not really relevant. It is just one specimen. But if scientists wanted to create a stable population of mammoths, they should of course make a previous experiment of environmental assessment to ensure that no damage will occur to the other species of the natural reserve. This is a protocol activity always performed when you want to introduce (or reintroduce) species in a natural reserve.

What if it has a short life span? Diet? Space?

The important thing is not if it has a short life span, its diet, or the territory it is able to dominate, but to take good note of all those things :)

Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

Yes I see it benefical for the reasons mentioned above :) And yes I think it is not a very complex task for our current resources, so I believe it will work without major problems.

Do you think it's ethical?

I don't see any ethical implications on the experiment, so not ethical nor unethical.
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4/21/2015 7:52:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 1:59:17 PM, TBR wrote:

lol i'd rather die from old age than getting eaten or cooked.

Let me see... Die of old age in the year 20??, or die being the first time-traveling modern human man to the year... lets say 1bya squished by some extinct beast.

I will giggle as the enormous foot squishes the life out of me.

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4/21/2015 7:56:09 PM
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At 4/21/2015 6:17:16 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 5:00:34 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:19:39 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:13:42 PM, TBR wrote:
And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.

It would live in reserves. I doubt anyone is expecting to release it into the wild. Zoologist would make better choices for living conditions than I could guess at. They may not get it "right" but I doubt that it would be so wrong as to cause real harm to the animal.

It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.

They're not that old. I doubt providing it a suitable habitat and diet would be much of an issue. They're not looking to create a million of them anyway, right? Just enough to study them.

I suppose, i'd always wanted to know about ancient species. Maybe they can bring back the dinosaurs. There's a scientific plausibility on that. Who knows, maybe we'll be able to make a theme park on different time periods. The possibilities are endless.

Even the dinosaur DNA found is so small only 4 nucleotides long, it is doubtful an accurate genome of dinosaur dna is possible.

More likely they may be extant creatures mutated to form vestigial dinosaur body types. Problem with that is the best candidate for dinosaur lineage is birds, which have for their size reduced genetic material.

Suspected to be the aggressive removal of junk DNA.
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4/22/2015 11:43:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/21/2015 7:56:09 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 4/21/2015 6:17:16 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 5:00:34 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:19:39 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:13:42 PM, TBR wrote:
And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.

It would live in reserves. I doubt anyone is expecting to release it into the wild. Zoologist would make better choices for living conditions than I could guess at. They may not get it "right" but I doubt that it would be so wrong as to cause real harm to the animal.

It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.

They're not that old. I doubt providing it a suitable habitat and diet would be much of an issue. They're not looking to create a million of them anyway, right? Just enough to study them.

I suppose, i'd always wanted to know about ancient species. Maybe they can bring back the dinosaurs. There's a scientific plausibility on that. Who knows, maybe we'll be able to make a theme park on different time periods. The possibilities are endless.

Even the dinosaur DNA found is so small only 4 nucleotides long, it is doubtful an accurate genome of dinosaur dna is possible.

More likely they may be extant creatures mutated to form vestigial dinosaur body types. Problem with that is the best candidate for dinosaur lineage is birds, which have for their size reduced genetic material.

Suspected to be the aggressive removal of junk DNA.

Dino DNA? Where?
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4/22/2015 4:43:41 PM
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At 4/22/2015 11:43:59 AM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 7:56:09 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 4/21/2015 6:17:16 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 5:00:34 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:19:39 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
At 4/21/2015 1:13:42 PM, TBR wrote:
And what environment are you concerned it will destroy?

lol i mean where would it live? North Pole? Alaska? Smaller animals such as Penguins might be destroyed by a Mammoth.

It would live in reserves. I doubt anyone is expecting to release it into the wild. Zoologist would make better choices for living conditions than I could guess at. They may not get it "right" but I doubt that it would be so wrong as to cause real harm to the animal.

It's an ancient animal so i'd guess that the conditions now do not permit it to live as in it's time.

They're not that old. I doubt providing it a suitable habitat and diet would be much of an issue. They're not looking to create a million of them anyway, right? Just enough to study them.

I suppose, i'd always wanted to know about ancient species. Maybe they can bring back the dinosaurs. There's a scientific plausibility on that. Who knows, maybe we'll be able to make a theme park on different time periods. The possibilities are endless.

Even the dinosaur DNA found is so small only 4 nucleotides long, it is doubtful an accurate genome of dinosaur dna is possible.

More likely they may be extant creatures mutated to form vestigial dinosaur body types. Problem with that is the best candidate for dinosaur lineage is birds, which have for their size reduced genetic material.

Suspected to be the aggressive removal of junk DNA.

Dino DNA? Where?

Schweitzer's data is most well known I think. They used 2 dyes that only react to the structure of DNA.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com...

But I think we I looked into it I found a reported 10 or so cases with differing fossil species.
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4/29/2015 4:41:35 PM
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At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this? Do you agree? What changes will this have on the environment? Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

It's not really resurrection. It's more of a novelty than anything else, but nerds such as myself would really go crazy if they pulled it off.
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4/29/2015 6:48:59 PM
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At 4/29/2015 4:41:35 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 4/21/2015 12:46:28 PM, Truth_seeker wrote:
Scientists are currently trying to bring back the Mammoth almost perfectly preserved in ice. DNA probably can be extracted. What do you think about this? Do you agree? What changes will this have on the environment? Do you see this as beneficial? Will it work?

It's not really resurrection. It's more of a novelty than anything else, but nerds such as myself would really go crazy if they pulled it off.

This.
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