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What Is Our Foundational Technology?

RuvDraba
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4/30/2015 2:04:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Empirical investigation.

It's necessary, but not sufficient for technical innovation. You need curiosity, conjecture and synthesis too, but empirical investigation is the technical part.
Accipiter
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4/30/2015 10:06:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 2:04:07 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Empirical investigation.

It's necessary, but not sufficient for technical innovation. You need curiosity, conjecture and synthesis too, but empirical investigation is the technical part.

What I am asking about is a real physical thing that you can see and touch and I have the answer in mind but it may be disputable.

I want to see if anyone else comes up with the same answer that I did.
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4/30/2015 10:11:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 10:06:17 PM, Accipiter wrote:
What I am asking about is a real physical thing that you can see and touch and I have the answer in mind but it may be disputable.
I want to see if anyone else comes up with the same answer that I did.

I'm afraid that I didn't. If you're talking about physical tools, we have too many, and too many ways of making them. I don't see a single source.
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4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?
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4/30/2015 10:48:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 10:06:17 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 2:04:07 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Empirical investigation.

It's necessary, but not sufficient for technical innovation. You need curiosity, conjecture and synthesis too, but empirical investigation is the technical part.

What I am asking about is a real physical thing that you can see and touch and I have the answer in mind but it may be disputable.

I want to see if anyone else comes up with the same answer that I did.

I really like Ruv's answer.

You probably should have asked the correct question then, because what you did ask seems to be not at all what you meant to ask.

If you're looking for a foundational physical tool that allowed us to develop all other technology, it may have been something like a spearhead. The ability to dominate other species in the wild physically enabled us to put effort into developing other tools, including society and civilization in the first place, not to mention spear-fishing, which may have given us the nutrition to allow our brains to develop further.
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4/30/2015 10:56:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?

I guess it would qualify as a tool although it's not quite the same as a simple machine like the inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley or wheel.
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4/30/2015 10:59:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 10:56:35 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?

I guess it would qualify as a tool although it's not quite the same as a simple machine like the inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley or wheel.

The knife? That's 2 inclined planes/a wedge. Unless you are thinking fire, in which case I don't think that is a specific tool either...
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FaustianJustice
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4/30/2015 10:59:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 10:56:35 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?

I guess it would qualify as a tool although it's not quite the same as a simple machine like the inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley or wheel.

The knife? That's 2 inclined planes/a wedge. Unless you are thinking fire, in which case I don't think that is a specific tool either...
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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4/30/2015 11:07:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 10:48:53 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:06:17 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 2:04:07 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Empirical investigation.

It's necessary, but not sufficient for technical innovation. You need curiosity, conjecture and synthesis too, but empirical investigation is the technical part.

What I am asking about is a real physical thing that you can see and touch and I have the answer in mind but it may be disputable.

I want to see if anyone else comes up with the same answer that I did.

I really like Ruv's answer.

You probably should have asked the correct question then, because what you did ask seems to be not at all what you meant to ask.

If you're looking for a foundational physical tool that allowed us to develop all other technology, it may have been something like a spearhead. The ability to dominate other species in the wild physically enabled us to put effort into developing other tools, including society and civilization in the first place, not to mention spear-fishing, which may have given us the nutrition to allow our brains to develop further.

It is a personal flaw of mine, sometimes it's hard for me to express myself clearly but things are going in the right direction here now.
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4/30/2015 11:15:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 11:07:45 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:48:53 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:06:17 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 2:04:07 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Empirical investigation.

It's necessary, but not sufficient for technical innovation. You need curiosity, conjecture and synthesis too, but empirical investigation is the technical part.

What I am asking about is a real physical thing that you can see and touch and I have the answer in mind but it may be disputable.

I want to see if anyone else comes up with the same answer that I did.

I really like Ruv's answer.

You probably should have asked the correct question then, because what you did ask seems to be not at all what you meant to ask.

If you're looking for a foundational physical tool that allowed us to develop all other technology, it may have been something like a spearhead. The ability to dominate other species in the wild physically enabled us to put effort into developing other tools, including society and civilization in the first place, not to mention spear-fishing, which may have given us the nutrition to allow our brains to develop further.

It is a personal flaw of mine, sometimes it's hard for me to express myself clearly but things are going in the right direction here now.

It's quite alright. Asking the right question is a large part of the battle.

I hope you found my answer somewhat satisfactory. I'll provide another if something else pops into my mind.
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4/30/2015 11:18:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 10:59:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:56:35 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?

I guess it would qualify as a tool although it's not quite the same as a simple machine like the inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley or wheel.

The knife? That's 2 inclined planes/a wedge. Unless you are thinking fire, in which case I don't think that is a specific tool either...

You got it, fire is the answer!
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4/30/2015 11:30:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 11:18:42 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:59:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:56:35 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?

I guess it would qualify as a tool although it's not quite the same as a simple machine like the inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley or wheel.

The knife? That's 2 inclined planes/a wedge. Unless you are thinking fire, in which case I don't think that is a specific tool either...

You got it, fire is the answer!

That's somewhere in between a tool and a method, I would say. Ruv's answer is still what made the invention and understanding of fire possible.
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4/30/2015 11:49:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 11:30:55 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/30/2015 11:18:42 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:59:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:56:35 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?

I guess it would qualify as a tool although it's not quite the same as a simple machine like the inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley or wheel.

The knife? That's 2 inclined planes/a wedge. Unless you are thinking fire, in which case I don't think that is a specific tool either...

You got it, fire is the answer!

That's somewhere in between a tool and a method, I would say. Ruv's answer is still what made the invention and understanding of fire possible.

It just struck me as somewhat profound that even today for the most part everything we have built is completely dependent on something we have used since before we could speak.
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4/30/2015 11:50:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 11:49:24 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 11:30:55 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/30/2015 11:18:42 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:59:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:56:35 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?

I guess it would qualify as a tool although it's not quite the same as a simple machine like the inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley or wheel.

The knife? That's 2 inclined planes/a wedge. Unless you are thinking fire, in which case I don't think that is a specific tool either...

You got it, fire is the answer!

That's somewhere in between a tool and a method, I would say. Ruv's answer is still what made the invention and understanding of fire possible.

It just struck me as somewhat profound that even today for the most part everything we have built is completely dependent on something we have used since before we could speak.

We had fire before we could speak?
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4/30/2015 11:51:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Concrete.

J/K

If not fire, then smelting; without that we'd still be in the stone age; by definition!
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5/1/2015 12:02:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 11:51:16 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Concrete.

J/K

If not fire, then smelting; without that we'd still be in the stone age; by definition!

I'm sure this improved commerce as well. For he who smelt it. surely dealt it.

Come on, that at least almost worked.
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5/1/2015 12:19:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/30/2015 11:50:41 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/30/2015 11:49:24 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 11:30:55 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 4/30/2015 11:18:42 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:59:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:56:35 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 4/30/2015 10:25:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Wouldn't that be the simple machines, then?

Inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley, wheel.. etc?

I guess it would qualify as a tool although it's not quite the same as a simple machine like the inclined plane, wedge, block and tackle/pulley or wheel.

The knife? That's 2 inclined planes/a wedge. Unless you are thinking fire, in which case I don't think that is a specific tool either...

You got it, fire is the answer!

That's somewhere in between a tool and a method, I would say. Ruv's answer is still what made the invention and understanding of fire possible.

It just struck me as somewhat profound that even today for the most part everything we have built is completely dependent on something we have used since before we could speak.

We had fire before we could speak?

Yes, but the big breakthrough was figuring out how to make fire from scratch rather than just picking up a burning stick.

I am not sure if making fire predates language but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
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3/31/2016 8:01:21 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?
Morse Code....
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3/31/2016 8:14:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Duct tape.

Seriously though, you're question is impossibly vague if you are looking for just one universal answer. So, you consider fire as technology? That is vague terminology. One could also posit logic, reason, mathematics, the opposable thumb, universal weights and measures, etc.
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4/2/2016 9:04:52 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/31/2016 8:14:45 PM, Fly wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Duct tape.

Seriously though, you're question is impossibly vague if you are looking for just one universal answer. So, you consider fire as technology? That is vague terminology. One could also posit logic, reason, mathematics, the opposable thumb, universal weights and measures, etc.

I don't know, is fire a technology? If not what should we call it?
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4/2/2016 10:36:14 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 9:04:52 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 3/31/2016 8:14:45 PM, Fly wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Duct tape.

Seriously though, you're question is impossibly vague if you are looking for just one universal answer. So, you consider fire as technology? That is vague terminology. One could also posit logic, reason, mathematics, the opposable thumb, universal weights and measures, etc.

I don't know, is fire a technology? If not what should we call it?

It isn't really a form of technology; it is just what we call visible combustion-- a type of chemical reaction.
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4/2/2016 10:47:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 10:42:55 PM, Emmarie wrote:
fire

Promise I didn't cheat - I was thinking about this becuzza a post about what makes us human and I said dexterity of our hands - and someone trolled me about animals who have hands.

I thought about it more in depth after he quit commenting in case I needed to respond, and was gonna say hands are needed to create fire and its' what sets humans at an advantage over the animal kingdom.
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4/2/2016 11:38:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 10:36:14 PM, Fly wrote:
At 4/2/2016 9:04:52 PM, Accipiter wrote:
At 3/31/2016 8:14:45 PM, Fly wrote:
At 4/30/2015 4:08:15 AM, Accipiter wrote:
What technology is the foundation on which all our other technology is built?

Duct tape.

Seriously though, you're question is impossibly vague if you are looking for just one universal answer. So, you consider fire as technology? That is vague terminology. One could also posit logic, reason, mathematics, the opposable thumb, universal weights and measures, etc.

I don't know, is fire a technology? If not what should we call it?

It isn't really a form of technology; it is just what we call visible combustion-- a type of chemical reaction.

Well no matter what you call it the fact remains that it is very old and we are almost completely dependent on it for generating energy to make pretty much everything in our world work and I still think that is pretty amazing.