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6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.
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6/15/2015 10:09:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.

How does one measure the curvature of the earth?
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6/15/2015 10:11:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 10:09:09 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.

How does one measure the curvature of the earth?

A few ways. Here's one: http://www.astro.princeton.edu...

Let's get to the point though. If your'e going to argue that the Earth is flat, present your calculations.
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6/15/2015 10:17:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 10:11:25 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:09:09 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.

How does one measure the curvature of the earth?

A few ways. Here's one: http://www.astro.princeton.edu...

Let's get to the point though. If your'e going to argue that the Earth is flat, present your calculations.

I am not here to argue that the earth is flat. I'm simply asking what the implications of a flat earth are...
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6/15/2015 10:45:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 10:17:38 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:11:25 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:09:09 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.

How does one measure the curvature of the earth?

A few ways. Here's one: http://www.astro.princeton.edu...

Let's get to the point though. If your'e going to argue that the Earth is flat, present your calculations.

I am not here to argue that the earth is flat. I'm simply asking what the implications of a flat earth are...

We can speculate based on physics those implications, but we'll probably never really know for sure especially considering physics wouldn't allow for such an object the size of the earth to be anything but spherical.
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6/15/2015 10:47:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 10:45:24 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:17:38 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:11:25 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:09:09 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.

How does one measure the curvature of the earth?

A few ways. Here's one: http://www.astro.princeton.edu...

Let's get to the point though. If your'e going to argue that the Earth is flat, present your calculations.

I am not here to argue that the earth is flat. I'm simply asking what the implications of a flat earth are...

We can speculate based on physics those implications, but we'll probably never really know for sure especially considering physics wouldn't allow for such an object the size of the earth to be anything but spherical.

Interesting. What physics supports this claim?
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6/15/2015 10:53:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 10:47:59 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:45:24 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:17:38 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:11:25 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:09:09 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.

How does one measure the curvature of the earth?

A few ways. Here's one: http://www.astro.princeton.edu...

Let's get to the point though. If your'e going to argue that the Earth is flat, present your calculations.

I am not here to argue that the earth is flat. I'm simply asking what the implications of a flat earth are...

We can speculate based on physics those implications, but we'll probably never really know for sure especially considering physics wouldn't allow for such an object the size of the earth to be anything but spherical.

Interesting. What physics supports this claim?

General Relativity.
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6/15/2015 11:19:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Is the flat earth rotating? If rotating not in same plane as flatness.

1. There would be no dusk and dawn. In a curved earth light is able to reach the atmosphere prior to breaching the horizon, thus light is refracted and reflected to the ground thus it gets lighter. A flat earth would be more akin to a light switch, on and off.

2. It would be easier to dig to china.

3. Folks living near the pivot point would be spinning really really fast.

4. You would weigh significantly less at the edge than towards the center of gravity.

5. It would be physically impossible to maintain flatness if the amount of mass of the earth was spinning, unless spinning like a record maybe. In that case would not have a change in light unless the orbit around the sun had a variable plane. Let's pretend flatness is in same plane as orbit around sun.
A. Sun would always be on the horizon, but since spinning it would appear the sun just rotates around us on the horizon.
B. Plants would follow that spin.
C. The atmosphere would be very thin at edges. I'm not entirely certain how the magnetosphere would be shaped. Possible that it would not cover the edges, so life on the edges would not be sustainable due to the radiation. We could develop mutant humans that could live in that waste zone, much like mad max.

ahhh, a flat earth. What would happen if we started to excavate and create a flat earth. IE: cut off the top of the earth at north and south pole and push the earth towards the equator. I guess we would slow the spin like skater spinning who puts arms out.

Don't tell that to the boss, might want to make the day last 30 hours and make 14 hour work days.
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6/15/2015 11:39:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 11:19:36 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Is the flat earth rotating? If rotating not in same plane as flatness.

1. There would be no dusk and dawn. In a curved earth light is able to reach the atmosphere prior to breaching the horizon, thus light is refracted and reflected to the ground thus it gets lighter. A flat earth would be more akin to a light switch, on and off.

2. It would be easier to dig to china.

3. Folks living near the pivot point would be spinning really really fast.

4. You would weigh significantly less at the edge than towards the center of gravity.

5. It would be physically impossible to maintain flatness if the amount of mass of the earth was spinning, unless spinning like a record maybe. In that case would not have a change in light unless the orbit around the sun had a variable plane. Let's pretend flatness is in same plane as orbit around sun.
A. Sun would always be on the horizon, but since spinning it would appear the sun just rotates around us on the horizon.
B. Plants would follow that spin.
C. The atmosphere would be very thin at edges. I'm not entirely certain how the magnetosphere would be shaped. Possible that it would not cover the edges, so life on the edges would not be sustainable due to the radiation. We could develop mutant humans that could live in that waste zone, much like mad max.


ahhh, a flat earth. What would happen if we started to excavate and create a flat earth. IE: cut off the top of the earth at north and south pole and push the earth towards the equator. I guess we would slow the spin like skater spinning who puts arms out.

Don't tell that to the boss, might want to make the day last 30 hours and make 14 hour work days.

Now this is what I'm looking for. What if the sun is spinning over the earth?
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6/15/2015 11:43:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 11:39:14 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 11:19:36 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Is the flat earth rotating? If rotating not in same plane as flatness.

1. There would be no dusk and dawn. In a curved earth light is able to reach the atmosphere prior to breaching the horizon, thus light is refracted and reflected to the ground thus it gets lighter. A flat earth would be more akin to a light switch, on and off.

2. It would be easier to dig to china.

3. Folks living near the pivot point would be spinning really really fast.

4. You would weigh significantly less at the edge than towards the center of gravity.

5. It would be physically impossible to maintain flatness if the amount of mass of the earth was spinning, unless spinning like a record maybe. In that case would not have a change in light unless the orbit around the sun had a variable plane. Let's pretend flatness is in same plane as orbit around sun.
A. Sun would always be on the horizon, but since spinning it would appear the sun just rotates around us on the horizon.
B. Plants would follow that spin.
C. The atmosphere would be very thin at edges. I'm not entirely certain how the magnetosphere would be shaped. Possible that it would not cover the edges, so life on the edges would not be sustainable due to the radiation. We could develop mutant humans that could live in that waste zone, much like mad max.


ahhh, a flat earth. What would happen if we started to excavate and create a flat earth. IE: cut off the top of the earth at north and south pole and push the earth towards the equator. I guess we would slow the spin like skater spinning who puts arms out.

Don't tell that to the boss, might want to make the day last 30 hours and make 14 hour work days.

Now this is what I'm looking for. What if the sun is spinning over the earth?

Same as 1, 2, & 4 above. The bigger problem is that there would be no magnetosphere unless the core was a permanent magnet. We would all fry from radiation.
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6/15/2015 12:43:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 11:39:14 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 11:19:36 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Is the flat earth rotating? If rotating not in same plane as flatness.

1. There would be no dusk and dawn. In a curved earth light is able to reach the atmosphere prior to breaching the horizon, thus light is refracted and reflected to the ground thus it gets lighter. A flat earth would be more akin to a light switch, on and off.

2. It would be easier to dig to china.

3. Folks living near the pivot point would be spinning really really fast.

4. You would weigh significantly less at the edge than towards the center of gravity.

5. It would be physically impossible to maintain flatness if the amount of mass of the earth was spinning, unless spinning like a record maybe. In that case would not have a change in light unless the orbit around the sun had a variable plane. Let's pretend flatness is in same plane as orbit around sun.
A. Sun would always be on the horizon, but since spinning it would appear the sun just rotates around us on the horizon.
B. Plants would follow that spin.
C. The atmosphere would be very thin at edges. I'm not entirely certain how the magnetosphere would be shaped. Possible that it would not cover the edges, so life on the edges would not be sustainable due to the radiation. We could develop mutant humans that could live in that waste zone, much like mad max.


ahhh, a flat earth. What would happen if we started to excavate and create a flat earth. IE: cut off the top of the earth at north and south pole and push the earth towards the equator. I guess we would slow the spin like skater spinning who puts arms out.

Don't tell that to the boss, might want to make the day last 30 hours and make 14 hour work days.

Now this is what I'm looking for.

Can we assume that you're not looking for answers that show a flat object the size of the earth could not possibly form because it violates General Relativity?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
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6/15/2015 1:19:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 10:17:38 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:11:25 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:09:09 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.

How does one measure the curvature of the earth?

A few ways. Here's one: http://www.astro.princeton.edu...

Let's get to the point though. If your'e going to argue that the Earth is flat, present your calculations.

I am not here to argue that the earth is flat. I'm simply asking what the implications of a flat earth are...

In that case, here are a few basic implications it would have:

1) We would no longer be able to travel in any direction to get to the other side of the world.

2) Since there would be no such thing as a geosynchronous orbit, it would be a lot easier to keep satellites over a relative position over the Earth's surface (unless the flat Earth is moving around in space is a very strange way). Additionally, we probably wouldn't need to correct for differential clock speeds in satellites and the space station.

3) It would imply that the Earth is a completely different kind of object than what we see in the rest of the universe at this time.

Is this the kind of thing you're looking for?
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6/15/2015 5:38:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/15/2015 1:19:23 PM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:17:38 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:11:25 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:09:09 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
At 6/15/2015 10:08:12 AM, UndeniableReality wrote:
At 6/15/2015 9:54:52 AM, FlatEarthSociety wrote:
yup

Then the average curvature of the earth would be measured as 0 instead of approximately 0.127m/km and we'd be living in a very different world with different implications for the development of many technologies.

How does one measure the curvature of the earth?

A few ways. Here's one: http://www.astro.princeton.edu...

Let's get to the point though. If your'e going to argue that the Earth is flat, present your calculations.

I am not here to argue that the earth is flat. I'm simply asking what the implications of a flat earth are...

In that case, here are a few basic implications it would have:

1) We would no longer be able to travel in any direction to get to the other side of the world.

2) Since there would be no such thing as a geosynchronous orbit, it would be a lot easier to keep satellites over a relative position over the Earth's surface (unless the flat Earth is moving around in space is a very strange way). Additionally, we probably wouldn't need to correct for differential clock speeds in satellites and the space station.

3) It would imply that the Earth is a completely different kind of object than what we see in the rest of the universe at this time.

Is this the kind of thing you're looking for?

Yes :)