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8/12/2010 11:15:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I just don't understand it anymore.

"Nobody's ever witnessed it!"
"But here's documented cases of speciation happening..."
"La la la la la I can't hear you!"

You can't dispute documented, witnessed cases of speciation. No matter how silly your analogy is (GodSands) or how adamantly you deny that mutations happen.

I really just don't get it anymore. How do you guys justify it to yourself? Do you hold the rest of science to the same standards? You sure don't seem to hold your religion to those standards.
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8/12/2010 11:22:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well I suppose an alternative tactic would be to accept that speciation can occur, but to deny that is the cause of the majority of modern species... the 'it could have happened like that, but didn't cos God/aliens got their first' argument.
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8/13/2010 2:00:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I suppose the kind of Theists you're talking about would equate their not accepting evolution to you not accepting biblical genesis.
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8/13/2010 2:22:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 2:00:11 AM, tvellalott wrote:
I suppose the kind of Theists you're talking about would equate their not accepting evolution to you not accepting biblical genesis.

And I'd equate their intelligence to that of a rock.
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8/13/2010 3:08:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/12/2010 11:15:18 PM, Yvette wrote:
I just don't understand it anymore.

"Nobody's ever witnessed it!"
"But here's documented cases of speciation happening..."
"La la la la la I can't hear you!"

You can't dispute documented, witnessed cases of speciation. No matter how silly your analogy is (GodSands) or how adamantly you deny that mutations happen.

I really just don't get it anymore. How do you guys justify it to yourself? Do you hold the rest of science to the same standards? You sure don't seem to hold your religion to those standards.

I don't really think people deny evolution. They deny the cause behind evolution.
not really deny, though, they find an alternative force behind the science of evolution.
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8/13/2010 3:11:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 3:08:04 AM, gerrandesquire wrote:
At 8/12/2010 11:15:18 PM, Yvette wrote:
I just don't understand it anymore.

"Nobody's ever witnessed it!"
"But here's documented cases of speciation happening..."
"La la la la la I can't hear you!"

You can't dispute documented, witnessed cases of speciation. No matter how silly your analogy is (GodSands) or how adamantly you deny that mutations happen.

I really just don't get it anymore. How do you guys justify it to yourself? Do you hold the rest of science to the same standards? You sure don't seem to hold your religion to those standards.

I don't really think people deny evolution. They deny the cause behind evolution.
not really deny, though, they find an alternative force behind the science of evolution.

There are a disturbing number of young earth creationists around...
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8/13/2010 11:03:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Interspeciesation has happened between two types of grass, or two different types of gold fish, but there has yet be a big turn into a cow. So microevolution is acceptable, macroevolution is a load of bull crap

Bonus question: It is a fact why is it called a the theory of evolution
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8/13/2010 11:07:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:03:00 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Interspeciesation has happened between two types of grass, or two different types of gold fish, but there has yet be a big turn into a cow. So microevolution is acceptable, macroevolution is a load of bull crap

Bonus question: It is a fact why is it called a the theory of evolution

*sigh* Macroevolution is simply a culmination of microevolution.
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8/13/2010 11:08:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:07:40 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:03:00 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Interspeciesation has happened between two types of grass, or two different types of gold fish, but there has yet be a big turn into a cow. So microevolution is acceptable, macroevolution is a load of bull crap

Bonus question: It is a fact why is it called a the theory of evolution

*sigh* Macroevolution is simply a culmination of microevolution.

and thought is simply a culmination of various electro magnetic and chemical reactions.
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8/13/2010 11:12:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:08:35 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:07:40 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:03:00 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Interspeciesation has happened between two types of grass, or two different types of gold fish, but there has yet be a big turn into a cow. So microevolution is acceptable, macroevolution is a load of bull crap

Bonus question: It is a fact why is it called a the theory of evolution

*sigh* Macroevolution is simply a culmination of microevolution.

and thought is simply a culmination of various electro magnetic and chemical reactions.

Microevolution and macroevolution, for lack of better term, are simply markers of evolutions progress. A small change is microevolution, while a large change culminating microevolutionary changes is macroevolution.
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8/13/2010 11:13:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:08:35 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:

you do see how bears and dogs might be distantly related though... right?

dogs getting bigger and bigger in a particular area.... slight changes in characteristics as they go...

having this go on for millenia until the "dogs" which were in that area so different from other "Dogs" that they're a different kind of animal... like Bears... right?

if not Cows and bugs?
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8/13/2010 11:16:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:13:11 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
bears and dogs

http://www.google.com...
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8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM
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I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related
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8/13/2010 11:19:04 AM
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At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

didn't answer the question.

I said I understand you don't think cows and bugs are...

of course you don't think amoeba's and people are!
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8/13/2010 11:20:43 AM
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At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

Nice strawman.
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8/13/2010 11:21:20 AM
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At 8/13/2010 11:19:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

didn't answer the question.

I said I understand you don't think cows and bugs are...

of course you don't think amoeba's and people are!

But that is the central tenant of the theory of evolution

The Theory of Evolution Summarized
There were a bunch of amoebas sitting around. Some of the smartest amoebas better adapted to their environment and turned into people.
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8/13/2010 11:21:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:20:43 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

Nice strawman.

umm... I think we're prolly related to amoebas.
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8/13/2010 11:22:06 AM
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At 8/13/2010 11:21:20 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:19:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

didn't answer the question.

I said I understand you don't think cows and bugs are...

of course you don't think amoeba's and people are!

But that is the central tenant of the theory of evolution

The Theory of Evolution Summarized
There were a bunch of amoebas sitting around. Some of the smartest amoebas better adapted to their environment and turned into people.

I asked about

BEARS AND DOGS!
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8/13/2010 11:23:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:21:20 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
The Theory of Evolution Summarized
There were a bunch of amoebas sitting around. Some of the smartest amoebas better adapted to their environment and turned into people.

you think there's such a thing as "smarter" amoebas???
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

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8/13/2010 11:24:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:21:23 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:20:43 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

Nice strawman.

umm... I think we're prolly related to amoebas.

You didn't claim they were, and that wasn't the discussion point.
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8/13/2010 11:24:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:21:20 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:19:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

didn't answer the question.

I said I understand you don't think cows and bugs are...

of course you don't think amoeba's and people are!

But that is the central tenant of the theory of evolution

The Theory of Evolution Summarized
There were a bunch of amoebas sitting around. Some of the smartest amoebas better adapted to their environment and turned into people.

That has to be the lamest interpretation of Evolution... Fail.
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8/13/2010 11:25:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:24:23 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:21:23 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:20:43 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

Nice strawman.

umm... I think we're prolly related to amoebas.

You didn't claim they were, and that wasn't the discussion point.

well yeah

he's not answering the question about bears and dogs....
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8/13/2010 11:30:17 AM
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At 8/13/2010 11:24:51 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:21:20 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:19:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

didn't answer the question.

I said I understand you don't think cows and bugs are...

of course you don't think amoeba's and people are!

But that is the central tenant of the theory of evolution

The Theory of Evolution Summarized
There were a bunch of amoebas sitting around. Some of the smartest amoebas better adapted to their environment and turned into people.

That has to be the lamest interpretation of Evolution... Fail.

Really what is the theory of evolution then?

As regarding to bears and dogs. Bears look kind of like dogs in that they both have four legs, are hairy, and have eyes, ears, and noses beyond that no not really.
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8/13/2010 11:31:10 AM
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About evolution. there must be some force that regulates evolution. the force that made sure that only those genes were picked that lead to the evolution of life. i mean, we all evolved from blue-green algae. they don't even need oxygen to survive. and yet there they are still alive, and here we are. Also there physical features, mountains and land. everything is just too perfect for life to exist. Take the distance of earth from sun. Perfect. if indeed it began from the matter bursting out from a single huge mass, the probability is infinitely small, this perfection is what bothers me. Scientifically we know how our brain works, how all that happens, but Why is still a question i am pondering.
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8/13/2010 11:34:10 AM
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At 8/13/2010 11:30:17 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:24:51 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:21:20 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:19:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

didn't answer the question.

I said I understand you don't think cows and bugs are...

of course you don't think amoeba's and people are!

But that is the central tenant of the theory of evolution

The Theory of Evolution Summarized
There were a bunch of amoebas sitting around. Some of the smartest amoebas better adapted to their environment and turned into people.

That has to be the lamest interpretation of Evolution... Fail.

Really what is the theory of evolution then?

As regarding to bears and dogs. Bears look kind of like dogs in that they both have four legs, are hairy, and have eyes, ears, and noses beyond that no not really.

so you don't see how given lots of little mutations in DNA being beneficial... and being passed down...a particular group of dogs offspring could plausibly get bigger.. stouter... and scarier?
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8/13/2010 11:37:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:31:17 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
More like evilution.

'Nuff said. :P

yep.
http://www.google.com...

toodle pip!
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8/13/2010 11:37:34 AM
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At 8/13/2010 11:30:17 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:24:51 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:21:20 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:19:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related

didn't answer the question.

I said I understand you don't think cows and bugs are...

of course you don't think amoeba's and people are!

But that is the central tenant of the theory of evolution

The Theory of Evolution Summarized
There were a bunch of amoebas sitting around. Some of the smartest amoebas better adapted to their environment and turned into people.

That has to be the lamest interpretation of Evolution... Fail.

Really what is the theory of evolution then?

As regarding to bears and dogs. Bears look kind of like dogs in that they both have four legs, are hairy, and have eyes, ears, and noses beyond that no not really.

There is no such thing as a "smarter amoeba". Different species have come and gone. The ones that are extinct are the ones that couldn't adapt to new environments. That doesn't meant they're dumb though.

Here's an example:

When you think of a giraffe, you know that they're tall with extremely long necks. And having a long neck is perfect for eating leaves out of the trees, like a Boa Bob tree. Now, only tall ones exist because when they're were other species that depended on leaves and shrubbery to exist in Africa, they would need to be tall. However, the ones that weren't tall, then would die and thus, they wouldn't be able to pass on their genetics to have their species survive. Now, the tall ones that had sustenance, like the giraffe, would survive and pass on their genetics. And through many years, slowly the other species would die out but the giraffe remained.

Is the giraffe smarter than the other species? No. Just better suited for the terrain. That is called Natural Selection which is extremely important in evolution.
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8/13/2010 11:39:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/13/2010 11:37:34 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:30:17 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:24:51 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:21:20 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:19:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/13/2010 11:17:27 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I don't see how an amoeba and a person are related



The Theory of Evolution Summarized
There were a bunch of amoebas sitting around. Some of the smartest amoebas better adapted to their environment and turned into people.

That has to be the lamest interpretation of Evolution... Fail.

Really what is the theory of evolution then?



There is no such thing as a "smarter amoeba". Different species have come and gone. The ones that are extinct are the ones that couldn't adapt to new environments. That doesn't meant they're dumb though.

Here's an example:

When you think of a giraffe, you know that they're tall with extremely long necks. And having a long neck is perfect for eating leaves out of the trees, like a Boa Bob tree. Now, only tall ones exist because when they're were other species that depended on leaves and shrubbery to exist in Africa, they would need to be tall. However, the ones that weren't tall, then would die and thus, they wouldn't be able to pass on their genetics to have their species survive. Now, the tall ones that had sustenance, like the giraffe, would survive and pass on their genetics. And through many years, slowly the other species would die out but the giraffe remained.

Is the giraffe smarter than the other species? No. Just better suited for the terrain. That is called Natural Selection which is extremely important in evolution.

So what changes in an amoeba turn it into a person?
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8/13/2010 11:40:23 AM
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At 8/13/2010 11:03:00 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Interspeciesation has happened between two types of grass, or two different types of gold fish, but there has yet be a big turn into a cow. So microevolution is acceptable, macroevolution is a load of bull crap

Bonus question: It is a fact why is it called a the theory of evolution

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