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janesix
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7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?
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7/14/2015 7:27:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

God has exactly the same nature and purpose as Mother Nature. Humans are simply part of that nature and physical reality.
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7/14/2015 7:28:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 7:27:10 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

God has exactly the same nature and purpose as Mother Nature. Humans are simply part of that nature and physical reality.

And that purpose is?
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7/14/2015 7:31:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I apologize for putting this in the science section. It was supposed to be in the religion forum.
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7/14/2015 7:32:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 7:28:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:27:10 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

God has exactly the same nature and purpose as Mother Nature. Humans are simply part of that nature and physical reality.

And that purpose is?

Natures purpose seems to be recycling itself in the process of continued self existence as the new is constantly replacing the old in the eternal "NOW" that you see and the "NOW" that you don't see at the same time as you do see it.
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7/14/2015 7:39:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 7:31:25 PM, janesix wrote:
I apologize for putting this in the science section. It was supposed to be in the religion forum.

Makes no difference to me since God and Nature are one and the same in my perspective. Science is simply a study of it.
Science studies God/ Mother Nature.
It simply changes the labels to make their invisible powers and forces sound scientific rather than religious.

They still have no clue where the forces and energy in the universe originated yet they want to believe these forces, energy and matter have an origin which is something separate from itself.
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7/14/2015 7:39:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 7:32:29 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:28:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:27:10 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

God has exactly the same nature and purpose as Mother Nature. Humans are simply part of that nature and physical reality.

And that purpose is?

Natures purpose seems to be recycling itself in the process of continued self existence as the new is constantly replacing the old in the eternal "NOW" that you see and the "NOW" that you don't see at the same time as you do see it.

In a toroid universe, this would seem to be the case. The universe could recycle matter indefinitely.
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7/14/2015 10:58:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 7:39:52 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:32:29 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:28:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:27:10 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

God has exactly the same nature and purpose as Mother Nature. Humans are simply part of that nature and physical reality.

And that purpose is?

Natures purpose seems to be recycling itself in the process of continued self existence as the new is constantly replacing the old in the eternal "NOW" that you see and the "NOW" that you don't see at the same time as you do see it.

In a toroid universe, this would seem to be the case. The universe could recycle matter indefinitely.

The shape of the recycling pattern makes no difference at all to the principle of recycling.
Energy which constantly recycles is never created or destroyed but simply exists and has logically always existed. It is its own source. If the conservation of energy is true, logically the universe, which is all energy, has always existed and does not increase or decrease, expand or contract, but merely goes through various recycling patterns which flash in and out of human visibility at variable rates as fast as time itself passes.
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7/14/2015 11:06:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 10:58:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:39:52 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:32:29 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:28:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:27:10 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

God has exactly the same nature and purpose as Mother Nature. Humans are simply part of that nature and physical reality.

And that purpose is?

Natures purpose seems to be recycling itself in the process of continued self existence as the new is constantly replacing the old in the eternal "NOW" that you see and the "NOW" that you don't see at the same time as you do see it.

In a toroid universe, this would seem to be the case. The universe could recycle matter indefinitely.

The shape of the recycling pattern makes no difference at all to the principle of recycling.
Energy which constantly recycles is never created or destroyed but simply exists and has logically always existed. It is its own source. If the conservation of energy is true, logically the universe, which is all energy, has always existed and does not increase or decrease, expand or contract, but merely goes through various recycling patterns which flash in and out of human visibility at variable rates as fast as time itself passes.

A finite big bang universe would prevent that. That is why I sugest a toroid, ever recycling universe. There is even evidence for it.
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7/14/2015 11:56:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 11:06:21 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 10:58:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:39:52 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:32:29 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:28:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:27:10 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

God has exactly the same nature and purpose as Mother Nature. Humans are simply part of that nature and physical reality.

And that purpose is?

Natures purpose seems to be recycling itself in the process of continued self existence as the new is constantly replacing the old in the eternal "NOW" that you see and the "NOW" that you don't see at the same time as you do see it.

In a toroid universe, this would seem to be the case. The universe could recycle matter indefinitely.

The shape of the recycling pattern makes no difference at all to the principle of recycling.
Energy which constantly recycles is never created or destroyed but simply exists and has logically always existed. It is its own source. If the conservation of energy is true, logically the universe, which is all energy, has always existed and does not increase or decrease, expand or contract, but merely goes through various recycling patterns which flash in and out of human visibility at variable rates as fast as time itself passes.

A finite big bang universe would prevent that. That is why I sugest a toroid, ever recycling universe. There is even evidence for it.

The finite big bang universe is based on science fiction.
Science might as well claim "God did it" since they have no clue what caused any big bang or so called "expansion process" in the first place.
Their "singularity" is nothing but a scientific label to replace the "God" label. Both are a single "being" which supposedly started the "evolution" of the universe which once was apparently so small it was smaller than a speck of dust on a pinhead. At least that's what the myth says. Many gullible people believe it because the teachers of the myth claim they have evidence.

A recycling universe which has always existed sounds a lot more logical to me.
It can be at every stage of its own recycling process at the same time much like any cycle has all stages working together at the same time in the big picture.

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7/15/2015 12:00:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 11:56:21 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 11:06:21 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 10:58:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:39:52 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:32:29 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:28:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:27:10 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

God has exactly the same nature and purpose as Mother Nature. Humans are simply part of that nature and physical reality.

And that purpose is?

Natures purpose seems to be recycling itself in the process of continued self existence as the new is constantly replacing the old in the eternal "NOW" that you see and the "NOW" that you don't see at the same time as you do see it.

In a toroid universe, this would seem to be the case. The universe could recycle matter indefinitely.

The shape of the recycling pattern makes no difference at all to the principle of recycling.
Energy which constantly recycles is never created or destroyed but simply exists and has logically always existed. It is its own source. If the conservation of energy is true, logically the universe, which is all energy, has always existed and does not increase or decrease, expand or contract, but merely goes through various recycling patterns which flash in and out of human visibility at variable rates as fast as time itself passes.

A finite big bang universe would prevent that. That is why I sugest a toroid, ever recycling universe. There is even evidence for it.

The finite big bang universe is based on science fiction.
Science might as well claim "God did it" since they have no clue what caused any big bang or so called "expansion process" in the first place.
Their "singularity" is nothing but a scientific label to replace the "God" label. Both are a single "being" which supposedly started the "evolution" of the universe which once was apparently so small it was smaller than a speck of dust on a pinhead. At least that's what the myth says. Many gullible people believe it because the teachers of the myth claim they have evidence.

A recycling universe which has always existed sounds a lot more logical to me.
It can be at every stage of its own recycling process at the same time much like any cycle has all stages working together at the same time in the big picture.









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7/15/2015 12:58:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/15/2015 12:00:14 AM, janesix wrote:



It's a fascinating animation and I think its a great representation of how many things are recycled but I doubt it is the shape of the universe as a whole. It is the shape of one possible recycling pattern of movement in the universe.
Take that animation and imagine every colored dot in it has a cyclic animation as well even if the patterns are different.
Consider a repetitive pattern like any fractal. Then put an innumerable amount of them together. You end up with innumerable patterns and shapes which are as different as snowflakes but every one of them recycles itself.

Fractals are an infinite regression or progression of pattern. Some can look very chaotic but all have a repetitive pattern.
Trying to find a beginning of the patterns is as futile as searching for the beginning of infinity or trying to find the beginning of "NOW" which comes from NOW which comes from NOW etc etc. Infinite regress is simply an aspect of the universe space/time continuum which creates and destroys itself as the same time in the ever present NOW.
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7/15/2015 1:31:11 AM
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What is the nature of God?

tease those that choose to be teased
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
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7/15/2015 1:37:16 PM
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At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

Well, according to his very own and supposedly self-authored holy book, THESE htings seem to allude to the nature of the murderous Yahweh. And believe me, it ain't pretty.

http://www.evilbible.com...
Science Flies Us to the Moon. Religion Flies us Into Skyscrapers.
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7/15/2015 2:05:01 PM
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At 7/15/2015 1:37:16 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

Well, according to his very own and supposedly self-authored holy book, THESE htings seem to allude to the nature of the murderous Yahweh. And believe me, it ain't pretty.

http://www.evilbible.com...

I doubt any of the religions have it right.
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7/15/2015 2:46:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/15/2015 2:05:01 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/15/2015 1:37:16 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

Well, according to his very own and supposedly self-authored holy book, THESE htings seem to allude to the nature of the murderous Yahweh. And believe me, it ain't pretty.

http://www.evilbible.com...

I doubt any of the religions have it right.

I agree with you.

The closest, In my opinion--if I had to pick one--would be Taoism. As, if there IS any sort of a "god" out there, it is one of a Deist--not a Theist variety. A type of non-personal but intelligent and all-pervasive "force" that perhaps set the ball rolling for the Origin of the Universe. But did so using all natural mechanics of physics and Evolution.
Science Flies Us to the Moon. Religion Flies us Into Skyscrapers.
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7/16/2015 6:44:08 PM
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At 7/15/2015 1:31:11 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
What is the nature of God?

tease those that choose to be teased

All reap what they sow.

Sowing and reaping seems to be the nature of Mother Nature, Father Time and Father God.

The seed comes from the seed which keeps multiplying after its own kind.
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7/16/2015 8:44:06 PM
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At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

Uh....are you sure this post would not be better served over on the Religion Forum?

Any "god" argument here should at least contain some ID questions, so as to at least make an effort to be correlated with science.

But your question is pure Theodicy.
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7/17/2015 12:23:00 PM
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At 7/16/2015 8:44:06 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

Uh....are you sure this post would not be better served over on the Religion Forum?

Any "god" argument here should at least contain some ID questions, so as to at least make an effort to be correlated with science.

But your question is pure Theodicy.

Yes, I apologized earlier in the thread for putting it here. It was an accident. It was meant to go in religion.
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7/17/2015 1:22:38 PM
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even scientific fiction needs a little religious fiction in order to have something to toss stones at.

takes two hands for a proper clap.

most just slap a butt that seems to be in the way of their confused path.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
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7/17/2015 1:27:12 PM
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At 7/17/2015 12:23:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/16/2015 8:44:06 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
At 7/14/2015 7:15:35 PM, janesix wrote:
God created humans as the most altruistic animals in nature(there are scientific studies showing toddlers as young as 18 months are naturally altruistic) Yet we are also capable of horrible cruelty. There is also the fact that there is so much horror in nature, such as many animals eat their prey live. Things seem to be designed this way. What is the nature of a being who created things this way? God also created animals to give and receive love. It seems like a contradiction.

What is the nature of God, and what is it's purpose for humans?

Uh....are you sure this post would not be better served over on the Religion Forum?

Any "god" argument here should at least contain some ID questions, so as to at least make an effort to be correlated with science.

But your question is pure Theodicy.

Yes, I apologized earlier in the thread for putting it here. It was an accident. It was meant to go in religion.

No worries mate! I did the same thing a couple times. LOL

(some would say more than a couple!)
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