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What if it were a child? Creationism/Atheism

Sooner
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8/1/2015 1:22:48 PM
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If you went into a children's hospital where children were fighting for their lives, and the child said,"it's okay, because I will be in Heaven," would you share with them your nonbelief in Heaven, or let it go?
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kp98
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8/1/2015 2:03:27 PM
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I'd let it go. I spent quite a bit of time in the 3rd world with people who had almost nothing except their faith and I never tried to correct them. False hope is much better than no hope from a psychological or practical perspective.

But educated and healthy people who - apparently - want to debate and discuss the such issues is a separate matter. I would't normally argue with creationist, but for a different reason - it's generally a waste of time.
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8/1/2015 8:57:23 PM
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At 8/1/2015 1:22:48 PM, Sooner wrote:
If you went into a children's hospital where children were fighting for their lives, and the child said,"it's okay, because I will be in Heaven," would you share with them your nonbelief in Heaven, or let it go?

I believe in Heaven, Sooner. But I don't believe all will go there. Sorry, not even sick kids. (it's complicated and I wont go there now). But of course not, I would never tell a kid that. I would confirm his belief to my utmost. (ANd I have done this, my church works with a couple kids' hospitals). Thank you & God Bless.
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DanneJeRusse
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8/1/2015 10:17:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2015 8:57:23 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 8/1/2015 1:22:48 PM, Sooner wrote:
If you went into a children's hospital where children were fighting for their lives, and the child said,"it's okay, because I will be in Heaven," would you share with them your nonbelief in Heaven, or let it go?

I believe in Heaven, Sooner. But I don't believe all will go there. Sorry, not even sick kids.

Or, habitual liars.

(it's complicated and I wont go there now). But of course not, I would never tell a kid that. I would confirm his belief to my utmost. (ANd I have done this, my church works with a couple kids' hospitals). Thank you & God Bless.
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RuvDraba
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8/2/2015 12:33:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2015 1:22:48 PM, Sooner wrote:
If you went into a children's hospital where children were fighting for their lives, and the child said,"it's okay, because I will be in Heaven," would you share with them your nonbelief in Heaven, or let it go?

If asked directly, I would answer honestly but age-appropriately.
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8/2/2015 12:36:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2015 1:22:48 PM, Sooner wrote:
If you went into a children's hospital where children were fighting for their lives, and the child said,"it's okay, because I will be in Heaven," would you share with them your nonbelief in Heaven, or let it go?

I'd tell the sick child that life is a series of meaningless stumbles in the dark, and then you die. That to live is to be trapped in a thoughtless machine which grinds itself into oblivion, and that even now the abyss was reaching its cold, pitiless fingers into their frail, failing body. That the last stuttering ionic eructations that comprises their consciousness would soon lose coherence, choke, and break into a flood of nonsense symbols, and that then they would be no more. There is no heaven waiting for them, only the finality, the end, one last impotent spasm of pain signifying nothing.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
RuvDraba
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8/2/2015 12:39:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/2/2015 12:36:34 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/1/2015 1:22:48 PM, Sooner wrote:
If you went into a children's hospital where children were fighting for their lives, and the child said,"it's okay, because I will be in Heaven," would you share with them your nonbelief in Heaven, or let it go?

I'd tell the sick child that life is a series of meaningless stumbles in the dark, and then you die. That to live is to be trapped in a thoughtless machine which grinds itself into oblivion, and that even now the abyss was reaching its cold, pitiless fingers into their frail, failing body. That the last stuttering ionic eructations that comprises their consciousness would soon lose coherence, choke, and break into a flood of nonsense symbols, and that then they would be no more. There is no heaven waiting for them, only the finality, the end, one last impotent spasm of pain signifying nothing.

I would love to have met you as a kid, Skeps. Such a view wouldn't have bothered me at all, and to have such a brave, blunt, frank adult in my child world would have been a real treat. :)
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8/2/2015 12:44:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/2/2015 12:39:37 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 8/2/2015 12:36:34 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/1/2015 1:22:48 PM, Sooner wrote:
If you went into a children's hospital where children were fighting for their lives, and the child said,"it's okay, because I will be in Heaven," would you share with them your nonbelief in Heaven, or let it go?

I'd tell the sick child that life is a series of meaningless stumbles in the dark, and then you die. That to live is to be trapped in a thoughtless machine which grinds itself into oblivion, and that even now the abyss was reaching its cold, pitiless fingers into their frail, failing body. That the last stuttering ionic eructations that comprises their consciousness would soon lose coherence, choke, and break into a flood of nonsense symbols, and that then they would be no more. There is no heaven waiting for them, only the finality, the end, one last impotent spasm of pain signifying nothing.

I would love to have met you as a kid, Skeps. Such a view wouldn't have bothered me at all, and to have such a brave, blunt, frank adult in my child world would have been a real treat. :)

Haha, I would never actually say this to a kid unless they really, really wanted my honest opinion. If they were religious I would probably quote Tolkien.

"Pippin: I didn't think it would end this way.
Gandalf: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path... One that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass... And then you see it.
Pippin: What? Gandalf?... See what?
Gandalf: White shores... and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
Pippin: [smiling] Well, that isn't so bad.
Gandalf: [softly] No... No it isn't."
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
RuvDraba
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8/2/2015 12:56:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/2/2015 12:44:04 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/2/2015 12:39:37 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 8/2/2015 12:36:34 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/1/2015 1:22:48 PM, Sooner wrote:
If you went into a children's hospital where children were fighting for their lives, and the child said,"it's okay, because I will be in Heaven," would you share with them your nonbelief in Heaven, or let it go?

I'd tell the sick child that life is a series of meaningless stumbles in the dark, and then you die. That to live is to be trapped in a thoughtless machine which grinds itself into oblivion, and that even now the abyss was reaching its cold, pitiless fingers into their frail, failing body. That the last stuttering ionic eructations that comprises their consciousness would soon lose coherence, choke, and break into a flood of nonsense symbols, and that then they would be no more. There is no heaven waiting for them, only the finality, the end, one last impotent spasm of pain signifying nothing.

I would love to have met you as a kid, Skeps. Such a view wouldn't have bothered me at all, and to have such a brave, blunt, frank adult in my child world would have been a real treat. :)

Haha, I would never actually say this to a kid unless they really, really wanted my honest opinion. If they were religious I would probably quote Tolkien.

Hmm. In my experience, kids tend to a much darker sense of humour than adults. Since my humour has never really matured past childhood anyway, I find it very hard not to indulge in that with kids.

E.g.

"Are you sure you're going to heaven? You're not coming back to earth?"
"Could I come back to earth?"
"Some people think so."
"That'd be cool."
"But maybe not all of you. Maybe just the unforgettable parts of you."
"Like what?"
"Like maybe just your stinky bottom, your smelly feet, and your bitey teeth."