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8/29/2010 12:31:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
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8/29/2010 12:46:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/29/2010 12:44:47 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
And some scientists say creationism is true.

Lol. Well played.
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8/29/2010 2:35:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
yes..... there are some cases where what is seen is difficult to explain. it doesn't follow that aliens did it.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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8/29/2010 3:09:56 PM
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So let me get this straight. A scientist employed by the SciFi Channels believes in UFO's. Well, I am over-f*ck!n-whelmed....
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8/29/2010 4:02:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/29/2010 3:09:56 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
So let me get this straight. A scientist employed by the SciFi Channels believes in UFO's. Well, I am over-f*ck!n-whelmed....

False. Michio Kaku is one of the cast of "The Universe" on History Channel and can be seen hanging with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking wouldn't be hanging with a quack, that's for sure. Not to mention, he's a Harvard Bachelor, Ph.D graduate of Berkeley, and lecturerer at Princeton University.
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8/29/2010 4:04:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/29/2010 4:02:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 8/29/2010 3:09:56 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
So let me get this straight. A scientist employed by the SciFi Channels believes in UFO's. Well, I am over-f*ck!n-whelmed....

False. Michio Kaku is one of the cast of "The Universe" on History Channel and can be seen hanging with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking wouldn't be hanging with a quack, that's for sure. Not to mention, he's a Harvard Bachelor, Ph.D graduate of Berkeley, and lecturerer at Princeton University.

i knew i'd seen him before somewhere.
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8/29/2010 4:05:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/29/2010 4:02:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 8/29/2010 3:09:56 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
So let me get this straight. A scientist employed by the SciFi Channels believes in UFO's. Well, I am over-f*ck!n-whelmed....

False. Michio Kaku is one of the cast of "The Universe" on History Channel and can be seen hanging with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking wouldn't be hanging with a quack, that's for sure. Not to mention, he's a Harvard Bachelor, Ph.D graduate of Berkeley, and lecturerer at Princeton University.

he's also well known for his interest in speculative science. in any case, if you listen to him carefully he says that UNIDENTIFIED flying objects exist, and says its possible that they are aliens. thats all. i think most people would agree with that. so i don't really see what the big deal is.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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8/30/2010 3:47:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
People have looked into the skies and seen things and not known what they are... of course UFO's are real. Because that is what a UFO is.
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8/30/2010 12:59:29 PM
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False. Michio Kaku is one of the cast of "The Universe" on History Channel and can be seen hanging with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking wouldn't be hanging with a quack, that's for sure. Not to mention, he's a Harvard Bachelor, Ph.D graduate of Berkeley, and lecturerer at Princeton University.:

The Appeal to Authority is immaterial. His credentials are useless to me. Michael Behe is a PhD in molecular biology. Does that mean that his crackpot theories are any less crackpot-ish?
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8/30/2010 1:14:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/30/2010 12:59:29 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
False. Michio Kaku is one of the cast of "The Universe" on History Channel and can be seen hanging with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking wouldn't be hanging with a quack, that's for sure. Not to mention, he's a Harvard Bachelor, Ph.D graduate of Berkeley, and lecturerer at Princeton University.:

The Appeal to Authority is immaterial. His credentials are useless to me.

Wow. You fail at using logical fallacies. Do you even know what an appeal to authority is?

When you try to degrade Kaku's credibility (by claiming he's hired by scifi) and I reply with a list of his impressive credentials, that is a perfectly valid response to rebuke your notion that Kaku is not credible.

An appeal to authority would be "Kaku says aliens exist therefore they exist." which I never claimed.
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8/30/2010 1:21:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/30/2010 1:14:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 8/30/2010 12:59:29 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
False. Michio Kaku is one of the cast of "The Universe" on History Channel and can be seen hanging with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking wouldn't be hanging with a quack, that's for sure. Not to mention, he's a Harvard Bachelor, Ph.D graduate of Berkeley, and lecturerer at Princeton University.:

The Appeal to Authority is immaterial. His credentials are useless to me.

Wow. You fail at using logical fallacies. Do you even know what an appeal to authority is?

When you try to degrade Kaku's credibility (by claiming he's hired by scifi) and I reply with a list of his impressive credentials, that is a perfectly valid response to rebuke your notion that Kaku is not credible.

An appeal to authority would be "Kaku says aliens exist therefore they exist." which I never claimed.

He has a degree in physics, how the f*ck does that qualify him to speculate about UFO's?
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8/30/2010 1:24:45 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:21:53 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:14:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 8/30/2010 12:59:29 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
False. Michio Kaku is one of the cast of "The Universe" on History Channel and can be seen hanging with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking wouldn't be hanging with a quack, that's for sure. Not to mention, he's a Harvard Bachelor, Ph.D graduate of Berkeley, and lecturerer at Princeton University.:

The Appeal to Authority is immaterial. His credentials are useless to me.

Wow. You fail at using logical fallacies. Do you even know what an appeal to authority is?

When you try to degrade Kaku's credibility (by claiming he's hired by scifi) and I reply with a list of his impressive credentials, that is a perfectly valid response to rebuke your notion that Kaku is not credible.

An appeal to authority would be "Kaku says aliens exist therefore they exist." which I never claimed.

He has a degree in physics, how the f*ck does that qualify him to speculate about UFO's?

It's a physical phenomana...
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/30/2010 1:29:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
@Panda

Astrophysics, cosmology, futuristic science (he knows how to teleport matter). Cosmologists always tend to talk about aliens.
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8/30/2010 1:31:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/30/2010 1:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@Panda

Astrophysics, cosmology, futuristic science (he knows how to teleport matter). Cosmologists always tend to talk about aliens.

...Again, how does a physics degree qualify him to talk about the likelihood of alien life? Your use of the argument from authority is weak at best.
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8/30/2010 1:34:08 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:31:02 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@Panda

Astrophysics, cosmology, futuristic science (he knows how to teleport matter). Cosmologists always tend to talk about aliens.

...Again, how does a physics degree qualify him to talk about the likelihood of alien life? Your use of the argument from authority is weak at best.

Different question really, but most of that would also fall under physics, a bit of biology.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/30/2010 1:35:32 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:24:45 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:21:53 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:14:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 8/30/2010 12:59:29 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
False. Michio Kaku is one of the cast of "The Universe" on History Channel and can be seen hanging with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking wouldn't be hanging with a quack, that's for sure. Not to mention, he's a Harvard Bachelor, Ph.D graduate of Berkeley, and lecturerer at Princeton University.:

The Appeal to Authority is immaterial. His credentials are useless to me.

Wow. You fail at using logical fallacies. Do you even know what an appeal to authority is?

When you try to degrade Kaku's credibility (by claiming he's hired by scifi) and I reply with a list of his impressive credentials, that is a perfectly valid response to rebuke your notion that Kaku is not credible.

An appeal to authority would be "Kaku says aliens exist therefore they exist." which I never claimed.

He has a degree in physics, how the f*ck does that qualify him to speculate about UFO's?

It's a physical phenomana...

LMAO. What isn't?
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8/30/2010 1:36:29 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:34:08 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:31:02 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@Panda

Astrophysics, cosmology, futuristic science (he knows how to teleport matter). Cosmologists always tend to talk about aliens.

...Again, how does a physics degree qualify him to talk about the likelihood of alien life? Your use of the argument from authority is weak at best.

Different question really, but most of that would also fall under physics, a bit of biology.

The probability of life, biology. Which addresses the probability of alien life. He's a physicist.
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8/30/2010 1:37:52 PM
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@ Cerebral & Kinesis

UFOs are unindentified because they are not from Earth. If it was earthly we could identify it.
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8/30/2010 1:39:27 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:37:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@ Cerebral & Kinesis

UFOs are unindentified because they are not from Earth. If it was earthly we could identify it.

Not always.
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8/30/2010 1:39:50 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:37:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@ Cerebral & Kinesis

UFOs are unindentified because they are not from Earth. If it was earthly we could identify it.

So anything in the sky which is unidentifiable is not earthly?
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8/30/2010 1:43:42 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:37:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@ Cerebral & Kinesis

UFOs are unindentified because they are not from Earth. If it was earthly we could identify it.

Okay, you aren't seriously saying that everything in the sky we fail to identify is an alien spacecraft? Because that's just silly.
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8/30/2010 1:47:09 PM
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Wow. You fail at using logical fallacies. Do you even know what an appeal to authority is?:

When you try to degrade Kaku's credibility (by claiming he's hired by scifi) and I reply with a list of his impressive credentials, that is a perfectly valid response to rebuke your notion that Kaku is not credible.:

I'm not saying that he is or isn't credible. I'm stating that listing his credentials is irrelevant to whether or not UFO's (I'm assuming we're speaking in the context of aliens) exist. At the end of the day, evidence supporting such assertions is just as bare as your excoriations concerning God. Why you don't see that as hypocritical is honestly astonishing.

An appeal to authority would be "Kaku says aliens exist therefore they exist." which I never claimed.:

Let's not play coy here. You submitted this to give the idea of UFO's some backbone, and you did so on the basis that a reputable scientist says so. That would be an appeal to authority.
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8/30/2010 1:50:18 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:31:02 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@Panda

Astrophysics, cosmology, futuristic science (he knows how to teleport matter). Cosmologists always tend to talk about aliens.

...Again, how does a physics degree qualify him to talk about the likelihood of alien life?

I already told you, he's an astrophysicist and cosmologist. Who could be more qualified than that?

Your use of the argument from authority is weak at best.

It's not an appeal to authority if the expert specializes in said field. I suggest you go look up what actually constitutes as an appeal to authority.

You can appeal to a biologist on questions of biology and you likewise appeal to a man who studies space on questions of what's in space ( I.e. aliens).
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8/30/2010 1:58:14 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:50:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:31:02 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@Panda

Astrophysics, cosmology, futuristic science (he knows how to teleport matter). Cosmologists always tend to talk about aliens.

...Again, how does a physics degree qualify him to talk about the likelihood of alien life?

I already told you, he's an astrophysicist and cosmologist. Who could be more qualified than that?

He deals with the Universes physics, that's not exactly qualified to talk abotu lifeforms in space. Things such as the preconditions in relation to alien life, but someone with a Biology based degree is more qualified.


Your use of the argument from authority is weak at best.

It's not an appeal to authority if the expert specializes in said field. I suggest you go look up what actually constitutes as an appeal to authority.

People with degrees are regarded as authoritative on issues they specialise on bro.


You can appeal to a biologist on questions of biology and you likewise appeal to a man who studies space on questions of what's in space ( I.e. aliens).

Biologists deal with aliens, physicists deal with where they live and how they might get here. Research in the former is needed before the latter becomes relevant.
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8/30/2010 1:59:17 PM
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At 8/30/2010 1:43:42 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/30/2010 1:37:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@ Cerebral & Kinesis

UFOs are unindentified because they are not from Earth. If it was earthly we could identify it.

Okay, you aren't seriously saying that everything in the sky we fail to identify is an alien spacecraft? Because that's just silly.

No. Anything in the sky that has characteristics that can be either observed or induced. A blury light in the sky that can't be immediately identified doesn't constitute as unidentified because we don't have enough information about it to call it unidentified. If we were close enough, we could probably identify it as a plane and therefore not an Unidentified Flying Object.

For example, a close-up of a craft in the sky that is shaped like no aerial vehicle on earth counts as a UFO or perhaps a far-distance sighting of a craft moving sporadically which can be induced to be of a propulsion systm beyond our earth technology, that qualifies as a UFO.
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