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10/12/2015 9:04:04 AM
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Time is not a dimensional vector and can't be manipulated to go either slower or faster. If a clock on a space craft going around the Earth is slower or faster than a clock on the Earth, this is the result of aetheric pressure which is pushing on the mechanism of the clock which is making the clock tick slower.

If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

Thus, Einstein and Hawking we both wrong in assuming that time changes with speed and acceleration.
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10/12/2015 9:22:29 AM
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At 10/12/2015 9:04:04 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
Time is not a dimensional vector and can't be manipulated to go either slower or faster. If a clock on a space craft going around the Earth is slower or faster than a clock on the Earth, this is the result of aetheric pressure which is pushing on the mechanism of the clock which is making the clock tick slower.

Electronic clocks don't have a mechanism to push on.

If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

The pendulum will actually swing at exactly the same rate to an observer in the vehicle.

Thus, Einstein and Hawking we both wrong in assuming that time changes with speed and acceleration.

Lol. Time travel is possible. You are travelling into the future right now.
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10/12/2015 11:22:53 AM
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At 10/12/2015 9:22:29 AM, dee-em wrote:

Electronic clocks don't have a mechanism to push on.

Aether doesn't discriminate. It pushes on everything! Its called gravity!

Lol. Time travel is possible. You are travelling into the future right now.

Sorry, you are always in the present. You can never be in the future or in the past.
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10/12/2015 3:53:42 PM
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At 10/12/2015 9:04:04 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
Time is not a dimensional vector and can't be manipulated to go either slower or faster. If a clock on a space craft going around the Earth is slower or faster than a clock on the Earth, this is the result of aetheric pressure which is pushing on the mechanism of the clock which is making the clock tick slower.

If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

Thus, Einstein and Hawking we both wrong in assuming that time changes with speed and acceleration.

Pendulums swing faster, because the time period is proportional to the square root of the length divided by the accelerating force applied. When a car is accelerating, the acceleration vector is combined with gravity, and increases the force causing the time period to go down.

If the car is not accelerating, then the pendulum will swing at the same speed as if it would if the car is standing still.

Time dilation is observed based upon timings given by atomic constants; which cannot be observed to be changed by mechanical forces.

Moreover, experiments into time dilation show equal dilation regardless of the orientation of the earth; as the earth and the solar system are moving already, moving away from the earths path of travel should reduce "Aetheric" pressure as the overall effective speed relative to whatever your Aether is supposed to be should be lowered relative to someone traveling with the earths path of travel. Therefore your hypothesis is falsified.
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10/12/2015 10:52:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 11:22:53 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 10/12/2015 9:22:29 AM, dee-em wrote:

Electronic clocks don't have a mechanism to push on.

Aether doesn't discriminate. It pushes on everything! Its called gravity!

Lol. Time travel is possible. You are travelling into the future right now.

Sorry, you are always in the present. You can never be in the future or in the past.

Begone, troll.
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10/12/2015 11:32:30 PM
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At 10/12/2015 11:22:53 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 10/12/2015 9:22:29 AM, dee-em wrote:


Sorry, you are always in the present. You can never be in the future or in the past.

Matter travels via space and time.
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10/13/2015 12:00:24 AM
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At 10/12/2015 9:04:04 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
Time is not a dimensional vector and can't be manipulated to go either slower or faster. If a clock on a space craft going around the Earth is slower or faster than a clock on the Earth, this is the result of aetheric pressure which is pushing on the mechanism of the clock which is making the clock tick slower.

If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

Thus, Einstein and Hawking we both wrong in assuming that time changes with speed and acceleration.

You obviously aren't from around here, when are you from?
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10/13/2015 12:30:24 AM
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At 10/12/2015 3:53:42 PM, Ramshutu wrote:

If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

Thus, Einstein and Hawking we both wrong in assuming that time changes with speed and acceleration.

Pendulums swing faster, because the time period is proportional to the square root of the length divided by the accelerating force applied. When a car is accelerating, the acceleration vector is combined with gravity, and increases the force causing the time period to go down.

The time period doesn't -"go down". The mechanism of measuring the time period is what slows down. Time itself, can never change.

Time dilation is observed based upon timings given by atomic constants; which cannot be observed to be changed by mechanical forces.

Moreover, experiments into time dilation show equal dilation regardless of the orientation of the earth; as the earth and the solar system are moving already, moving away from the earths path of travel should reduce "Aetheric" pressure as the overall effective speed relative to whatever your Aether is supposed to be should be lowered relative to someone traveling with the earths path of travel. Therefore your hypothesis is falsified.

A space craft travelling through space would experience aetheric pressure due to the speed of the space craft which creates aetheric friction. The Earth's rotation is slowing down due to aetheric friction. It has nothing to do with the moon. Gravity (aether) pushes it doesn't (can't) pull.
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10/13/2015 12:46:32 AM
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At 10/13/2015 12:30:24 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 10/12/2015 3:53:42 PM, Ramshutu wrote:

If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

Thus, Einstein and Hawking we both wrong in assuming that time changes with speed and acceleration.

Pendulums swing faster, because the time period is proportional to the square root of the length divided by the accelerating force applied. When a car is accelerating, the acceleration vector is combined with gravity, and increases the force causing the time period to go down.

The time period doesn't -"go down". The mechanism of measuring the time period is what slows down. Time itself, can never change.


Time dilation is observed based upon timings given by atomic constants; which cannot be observed to be changed by mechanical forces.

Moreover, experiments into time dilation show equal dilation regardless of the orientation of the earth; as the earth and the solar system are moving already, moving away from the earths path of travel should reduce "Aetheric" pressure as the overall effective speed relative to whatever your Aether is supposed to be should be lowered relative to someone traveling with the earths path of travel. Therefore your hypothesis is falsified.

A space craft travelling through space would experience aetheric pressure due to the speed of the space craft which creates aetheric friction. The Earth's rotation is slowing down due to aetheric friction. It has nothing to do with the moon. Gravity (aether) pushes it doesn't (can't) pull.

Well no.

Time dilation is a real thing; none of what you're saying an be measured; and you have no way of telling what you said apart from "making stuff up".
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10/13/2015 1:42:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 9:04:04 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
Time is not a dimensional vector and can't be manipulated to go either slower or faster. If a clock on a space craft going around the Earth is slower or faster than a clock on the Earth, this is the result of aetheric pressure which is pushing on the mechanism of the clock which is making the clock tick slower.

If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

Thus, Einstein and Hawking we both wrong in assuming that time changes with speed and acceleration.

It would seem pretty clear you really no clue how time dilation works. An aether has never been shown to exist.
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10/13/2015 2:36:14 PM
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At 10/13/2015 12:46:32 AM, Ramshutu wrote:

Well no.

Time dilation is a real thing; none of what you're saying an be measured; and you have no way of telling what you said apart from "making stuff up".

Gravity is aetheric pressure. You can measure gravity, thus, you can measure aetheric pressure. Space time continuum is code for aether. Boson is code for ethon. Virtual photon is code for ethon etc. Physics secretly accepts the aether's existence. They are not allowed to say the word 'aether' because Einstein put a voodoo curse on it. He had to get rid of the aether so he could make time change with speed and acceleration.
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10/13/2015 3:28:33 PM
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At 10/13/2015 2:36:14 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 10/13/2015 12:46:32 AM, Ramshutu wrote:

Well no.

Time dilation is a real thing; none of what you're saying an be measured; and you have no way of telling what you said apart from "making stuff up".

Gravity is aetheric pressure. You can measure gravity, thus, you can measure aetheric pressure. Space time continuum is code for aether. Boson is code for ethon. Virtual photon is code for ethon etc. Physics secretly accepts the aether's existence. They are not allowed to say the word 'aether' because Einstein put a voodoo curse on it. He had to get rid of the aether so he could make time change with speed and acceleration.

Again, if you have no way of telling what you're talking about apart from stuff that is made up, it can be rejected out of hand.
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10/14/2015 11:56:20 PM
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At 10/13/2015 1:42:49 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
An aether has never been shown to exist.
Even more strongly, luminiferous aether was shown to not exist in the form defined by 19th century physics. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

In the late 19th century, the theory was so straining under the weight of competing premises that it was already beginning to look pseudoscientific [https://en.wikipedia.org...]. But the Michelson-Morley experiment did away with it for good by falsifying the one thing aether needed to do in order to exist at all: produce a universal, absolute measure of velocity. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Subsequently, the premise of absolute velocity has collapsed, probably forever.

A key reason science continuously improves is that once dispatched by evidence, bad ideas don't resurface. One could invent a different idea and call it aether, but it's hard to see it ever offering absolute velocity again, when the basic premise of absolute velocity has been falsified, and the mechanics of relative velocity work so well.

Unless and until a proposal can explain how and why it would benefit physics to resurrect absolute velocity in any respect, aether is a dead idea -- sentimental pseudoscience crying conspiracy to have a desultory second try at goal, when it never even moved the ball the first time.
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10/15/2015 1:27:47 AM
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At 10/14/2015 11:56:20 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 10/13/2015 1:42:49 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
An aether has never been shown to exist.
Even more strongly, luminiferous aether was shown to not exist in the form defined by 19th century physics. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

In the late 19th century, the theory was so straining under the weight of competing premises that it was already beginning to look pseudoscientific [https://en.wikipedia.org...]. But the Michelson-Morley experiment did away with it for good by falsifying the one thing aether needed to do in order to exist at all: produce a universal, absolute measure of velocity. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Subsequently, the premise of absolute velocity has collapsed, probably forever.

A key reason science continuously improves is that once dispatched by evidence, bad ideas don't resurface. One could invent a different idea and call it aether, but it's hard to see it ever offering absolute velocity again, when the basic premise of absolute velocity has been falsified, and the mechanics of relative velocity work so well.

Unless and until a proposal can explain how and why it would benefit physics to resurrect absolute velocity in any respect, aether is a dead idea -- sentimental pseudoscience crying conspiracy to have a desultory second try at goal, when it never even moved the ball the first time.

All measurements of light are taken as two way measurements. This is not stated in most experiments. The gain in speed of one direction would be lost on the return trip. Thus, no change in speed of light would be detected. Thus, measuring the two-way speed of light is a complete waste of time and doesn't prove anything. You can't fool Akhenaten that easily, naughty boy!

Thus, the aether theory remains very much alive and viable. It is really the only means by which light can travel through space, so I don't understand how scientists could be so stupid in denying its existence.

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10/17/2015 7:18:19 AM
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It's not impossible. You are always traveling through time.

Stopping suddenly is what you should really worry about.
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10/17/2015 4:43:40 PM
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At 10/17/2015 7:31:22 AM, Accipiter wrote:
And what about time dilatation? It says you can travel threw time into the future.

Time is not a negotiable commodity. It can't logically change regardless of speed, acceleration or whatever.
Its only the time keeping mechanism that can change. This is due to aetheric pressure.
These days they call aether the Higg's field. The aether's name has changed several times, its a fashion thing.
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10/18/2015 12:39:21 PM
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At 10/12/2015 9:04:04 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
Time is not a dimensional vector and can't be manipulated to go either slower or faster. If a clock on a space craft going around the Earth is slower or faster than a clock on the Earth, this is the result of aetheric pressure which is pushing on the mechanism of the clock which is making the clock tick slower.

Time doesn't need to "go slower or faster" for time travel to be possible. It's just that the past, present, and future have to exist simultaneously, to some extent. That's possible under eternalism. That's what eternalism *is.* You're presuming an A-theory ontology of time, which fails to explain the Andromeda paradox, or phenomena such as photons being entangled through time, which have been *observed.* Further, time dilation itself has been observed.


If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

The pendulum would swing at the same rate to an observer within the vehicle.
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10/18/2015 1:57:48 PM
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At 10/18/2015 12:39:21 PM, tejretics wrote:

Time doesn't need to "go slower or faster" for time travel to be possible. It's just that the past, present, and future have to exist simultaneously, to some extent. That's possible under eternalism. That's what eternalism *is.* You're presuming an A-theory ontology of time, which fails to explain the Andromeda paradox, or phenomena such as photons being entangled through time, which have been *observed.* Further, time dilation itself has been observed.

The Andromeda Paradox doesn't make any sense to me.

I have never observed a photon.

I have never observed time dilation.

Are you one of those people who think that time is a dimension?
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10/18/2015 2:37:07 PM
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At 10/15/2015 1:27:47 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 10/14/2015 11:56:20 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 10/13/2015 1:42:49 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
An aether has never been shown to exist.
Even more strongly, luminiferous aether was shown to not exist in the form defined by 19th century physics. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

In the late 19th century, the theory was so straining under the weight of competing premises that it was already beginning to look pseudoscientific [https://en.wikipedia.org...]. But the Michelson-Morley experiment did away with it for good by falsifying the one thing aether needed to do in order to exist at all: produce a universal, absolute measure of velocity. [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

Subsequently, the premise of absolute velocity has collapsed, probably forever.

A key reason science continuously improves is that once dispatched by evidence, bad ideas don't resurface. One could invent a different idea and call it aether, but it's hard to see it ever offering absolute velocity again, when the basic premise of absolute velocity has been falsified, and the mechanics of relative velocity work so well.

Unless and until a proposal can explain how and why it would benefit physics to resurrect absolute velocity in any respect, aether is a dead idea -- sentimental pseudoscience crying conspiracy to have a desultory second try at goal, when it never even moved the ball the first time.

All measurements of light are taken as two way measurements. This is not stated in most experiments. The gain in speed of one direction would be lost on the return trip. Thus, no change in speed of light would be detected. Thus, measuring the two-way speed of light is a complete waste of time and doesn't prove anything. You can't fool Akhenaten that easily, naughty boy!

But, you have been fooled. If there is any loss in the speed of light, there would be a substantial difference between measuring light that traveled 300 kilometers and 300,000 kilometers, but instead, it's measured at exactly the same speed.

Thus, the aether theory remains very much alive and viable. It is really the only means by which light can travel through space, so I don't understand how scientists could be so stupid in denying its existence.

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10/18/2015 2:38:27 PM
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How sure are you that time can't change speed? I believe that time is in fact slowing down.
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10/18/2015 4:12:59 PM
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At 10/12/2015 9:04:04 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
Time is not a dimensional vector and can't be manipulated to go either slower or faster. If a clock on a space craft going around the Earth is slower or faster than a clock on the Earth, this is the result of aetheric pressure which is pushing on the mechanism of the clock which is making the clock tick slower.

If you put a pendulum on an accelerating vehicle the pendulum will swing faster and it will swing slower when the vehicle slows down. This simple experiment proves that time change is a mechanical property of acceleration and has nothing to do with time itself changing.

Thus, Einstein and Hawking we both wrong in assuming that time changes with speed and acceleration.

Time travel is possible, just look you time traveled here from the 18th Century with your pseudo-scientific ideas.

ZING!
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10/18/2015 6:50:39 PM
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At 10/17/2015 4:43:40 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 10/17/2015 7:31:22 AM, Accipiter wrote:
And what about time dilatation? It says you can travel threw time into the future.

Time is not a negotiable commodity. It can't logically change regardless of speed, acceleration or whatever.
Its only the time keeping mechanism that can change. This is due to aetheric pressure.
These days they call aether the Higg's field. The aether's name has changed several times, its a fashion thing.

Do you understand the twins paradox? Have you even heard of it?
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10/18/2015 10:45:31 PM
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At 10/17/2015 4:43:40 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 10/17/2015 7:31:22 AM, Accipiter wrote:
And what about time dilatation? It says you can travel threw time into the future.

Time is not a negotiable commodity. It can't logically change regardless of speed, acceleration or whatever.
Its only the time keeping mechanism that can change. This is due to aetheric pressure.
These days they call aether the Higg's field. The aether's name has changed several times, its a fashion thing.

Here is a nicer answer, for you personally your wristwatch doesn't change at all (unless you got a crappy watch) you know that the time never wavers as it marches on.

If you were on a space ship traveling near the speed of light you wouldn't notice any difference on your wristwatch or anything else at all out of place.

If we put a camera in your space ship so we could watch you back on earth you would look like you were moving in slow motion but to you everything would seem normal.
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10/19/2015 3:43:04 AM
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At 10/18/2015 10:45:31 PM, Accipiter wrote:

If you were on a space ship traveling near the speed of light you wouldn't notice any difference on your wristwatch or anything else at all out of place.

If we put a camera in your space ship so we could watch you back on earth you would look like you were moving in slow motion but to you everything would seem normal.

I think that Einstein was just a smart asrse because he knew that nobody was ever going to travel at the speed of light. Thus, he could say what he pleased about the speed of light because nobody was ever going to prove that he was either right or wrong.
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10/19/2015 4:08:45 AM
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At 10/19/2015 3:43:04 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 10/18/2015 10:45:31 PM, Accipiter wrote:

If you were on a space ship traveling near the speed of light you wouldn't notice any difference on your wristwatch or anything else at all out of place.

If we put a camera in your space ship so we could watch you back on earth you would look like you were moving in slow motion but to you everything would seem normal.

I think that Einstein was just a smart asrse because he knew that nobody was ever going to travel at the speed of light. Thus, he could say what he pleased about the speed of light because nobody was ever going to prove that he was either right or wrong.

No, actually it has been tested exhaustively in a variety of ways and all tests agree with Einstein's predictions so yes it has been proven.

If what Einstein said was wrong the GPS in your cell phone or on your cars dashboard would not work.
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10/19/2015 4:25:04 AM
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At 10/19/2015 4:08:45 AM, Accipiter wrote:

No, actually it has been tested exhaustively in a variety of ways and all tests agree with Einstein's predictions so yes it has been proven.

If what Einstein said was wrong the GPS in your cell phone or on your cars dashboard would not work.

The star light going around the sun is just diffraction from the sun's atmosphere.

GPS is just measuring the time delay caused by aether pressure.

Higg's field equals aether

Space time continuum equals aether etc