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socrat44
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1/4/2016 4:10:56 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
How can we detect what happened before the Big Bang?
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Scientists say that before the "big bang" was nothing: neither
space nor time. In my opinion when we say "space", "time"
we must define more precisely. We must define more precisely
that we are talk about "gravity-space" and "gravity-time".
Is my opinion correct?
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First - SRT.
a) Take SRT the theory without gravity.
Therefor this theory doesn"t have "gravity-space" and "gravity-time".
This theory has "spacetime"- other names:
Minkowski spacetime, negative 2D, Pseudo Euclidian space.
In my opinion all these words hide one true word: vacuum.
b)
One SRT postulate says that the speed of light is constant in vacuum
because the laws of electricity and magnetism predict that light travels
at c = 2.998"108 m/s in a vacuum. But scientists did not specify the
frame of reference in which light had this speed. Therefore was invented
Minkowski spacetime, negative 2D, Pseudo Euclidian space " all
these words are different names of vacuum.
Vacuum is reference frame for speed of quantum of light and SRT.
(we still don"t know what vacuum is)

Second " GRT.
Take GRT the theory about gravity.
The gravity masses somehow changed the surrounded "spacetime"
and create "gravity-space" and "gravity-time".
There aren"t "space" and "time" without gravity.

Third " The prove.
You can detect my opinion in our Earth referent frame.
How? Try to live without "gravity-space" and "gravity-time".
#
Astronauts can live in satellite without "gravity-space" and "gravity-time"
only because they have artificial air. Without artificial air this satellite
is flying coffin. We can live on natural / artificial cosmic satellite /planet
Earth only because Earth has own gravity-space- air and gravity-time.
==..
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
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socrat44
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1/7/2016 5:51:52 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Once more.
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Before BB was no space and was no time.
The situation "no space and no time" have only
one reference frame -- vacuum. Vacuum has different names:
Minkowski spacetime, negative 2D, Pseudo Euclidian space.
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Before BB was "singular point".
This "singular point" has masses.
Where did these masses come from?
The answer can be only one. These masses came from vacuum.
These masses came from cold zero vacuum. Therefore in the
beginning the "singular point" wasn"t hot. In the beginning the
"singular point" was cold. Very cold. Zero cold.
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matt8800
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1/9/2016 1:03:57 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
You cannot have vacuum without having space. Vacuum is the absence of something where there could be something.
You must have matter to have temperature.
As to what there was before the BB, there are many theories that persist but Im doubtful that any of them will ever be able to provide much evidence.
MagicAintReal
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1/10/2016 3:30:33 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/9/2016 1:03:57 AM, matt8800 wrote:
You cannot have vacuum without having space. Vacuum is the absence of something where there could be something.
You must have matter to have temperature.
As to what there was before the BB, there are many theories that persist but Im doubtful that any of them will ever be able to provide much evidence.

When there was no space or time, time there was nothing.
What is nothing?
It is a state of fluctuating sub nuclear particles and their forces called quantum fluctuations which we've proven in a vacuum; it just means zero energy.
http://scholarsresearchlibrary.com...

Quantum fluctuations are sub nuclear particles existing and being annihilated by antiparticles, and the forces between these sub nuclear particles fluctuate as well; they never remain, because they are being instantly annihilated.

So, when there was no space or time or energy, there were quantum fluctuations where space and time fluctuated in and out of existence with the sub nuclear particles and their forces; as a sub nuclear particle exists for that pseudo moment in quantum fluctuations, so do space and time.

Space is only the position of matter or the distance between matter.

From quantum fluctuations, you get the big bang.
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov...
snkcake666
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1/11/2016 3:40:18 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 4:10:56 AM, socrat44 wrote:
How can we detect what happened before the Big Bang?
==..
Scientists say that before the "big bang" was nothing: neither
space nor time. In my opinion when we say "space", "time"
we must define more precisely. We must define more precisely
that we are talk about "gravity-space" and "gravity-time".
Is my opinion correct?
===="
First - SRT.
a) Take SRT the theory without gravity.
Therefor this theory doesn"t have "gravity-space" and "gravity-time".
This theory has "spacetime"- other names:
Minkowski spacetime, negative 2D, Pseudo Euclidian space.
In my opinion all these words hide one true word: vacuum.
b)
One SRT postulate says that the speed of light is constant in vacuum
because the laws of electricity and magnetism predict that light travels
at c = 2.998"108 m/s in a vacuum. But scientists did not specify the
frame of reference in which light had this speed. Therefore was invented
Minkowski spacetime, negative 2D, Pseudo Euclidian space " all
these words are different names of vacuum.
Vacuum is reference frame for speed of quantum of light and SRT.
(we still don"t know what vacuum is)

Second " GRT.
Take GRT the theory about gravity.
The gravity masses somehow changed the surrounded "spacetime"
and create "gravity-space" and "gravity-time".
There aren"t "space" and "time" without gravity.

Third " The prove.
You can detect my opinion in our Earth referent frame.
How? Try to live without "gravity-space" and "gravity-time".
#
Astronauts can live in satellite without "gravity-space" and "gravity-time"
only because they have artificial air. Without artificial air this satellite
is flying coffin. We can live on natural / artificial cosmic satellite /planet
Earth only because Earth has own gravity-space- air and gravity-time.
==..
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
====="

A reality without 'space or time' is logically impossible, even when accounting for the Big Bang. No matter how infinitely complex space and time may be, it does not change the substantial fact that they are physical, observable entities. Nothingness, however, is not. The theory of 'nothingness' implies no stability, no foundation. Something cannot exist on nothing- it is about as reasonable as a building's foundation floating in mid-air on earth. There is nothing to support its existence, and in essence, when it is formed, it will fall to the ground and crumble.

As most people know, space itself is not made of physical, atomic matter. However, its ability to bend and expand is living evidence alone (its effects upon matter) of its physical properties, hence gravity's bend in space in the presence of matter, as well as the relative relationship between space and time. And this is ultimately where one's individualized beliefs come to play- whether space-time existed for all eternity, whether another physical entity supports space (this might include an entity similar to space, or this may extend to 'gods'), or even the believe that reality is no more than a myth. Of course these are not strictly the only beliefs, but they are by far the most prominent.