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Vaarka
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2/12/2016 4:11:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Okay, let me set this straight right now. I am NOT talking about poisonous plants. I don't care about poison ivy and all that crap. I mean poisons that can be tested on plants and not animals or humans.

Why am I asking this? I have a chemistry project, and my partner and I settled on poisons as our subject. We need to prove that our poisons work, and find a bunch of info on this. Obviously, we can't test this on humans or animals, but plants is a viable option for this.

So, does anyone here have a strange knowledge on plants, soil, chemistry, poisons, or toxins that kill plants...maybe all of that, yeah that'd be great.

So any info, please lemme know, with any links you may have to provide said info, help give me more info, have sources to cite, etc etc. Info please :3
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2/12/2016 5:12:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/12/2016 4:11:09 PM, Vaarka wrote:
Okay, let me set this straight right now. I am NOT talking about poisonous plants. I don't care about poison ivy and all that crap. I mean poisons that can be tested on plants and not animals or humans.

Why am I asking this? I have a chemistry project, and my partner and I settled on poisons as our subject. We need to prove that our poisons work, and find a bunch of info on this. Obviously, we can't test this on humans or animals, but plants is a viable option for this.

So, does anyone here have a strange knowledge on plants, soil, chemistry, poisons, or toxins that kill plants...maybe all of that, yeah that'd be great.

So any info, please lemme know, with any links you may have to provide said info, help give me more info, have sources to cite, etc etc. Info please :3

Anything that bonds to chlorophyll works, heavy metals, and the like. Am I to understand you need it to be an herbicide without being lethal/dangerous to anything else? Or do you need an analog to substitute for WHY specifically your poison works that is similar in nature between plants an animals that you are trying to effect?
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2/12/2016 5:19:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Since it's about botany, you should probably ask Skep...
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2/12/2016 8:08:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/12/2016 4:11:09 PM, Vaarka wrote:
Okay, let me set this straight right now. I am NOT talking about poisonous plants. I don't care about poison ivy and all that crap. I mean poisons that can be tested on plants and not animals or humans.

Why am I asking this? I have a chemistry project, and my partner and I settled on poisons as our subject. We need to prove that our poisons work, and find a bunch of info on this. Obviously, we can't test this on humans or animals, but plants is a viable option for this.

So, does anyone here have a strange knowledge on plants, soil, chemistry, poisons, or toxins that kill plants...maybe all of that, yeah that'd be great.

So any info, please lemme know, with any links you may have to provide said info, help give me more info, have sources to cite, etc etc. Info please :3

Look up herbicides

As for a safe poison to use on plants salt. When salt reachs a high enough concentration it interferes with osmosis and toxic

Project might consist of watering plants with different concentrations of salt water
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2/19/2016 1:24:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/12/2016 4:11:09 PM, Vaarka wrote:
Okay, let me set this straight right now. I am NOT talking about poisonous plants. I don't care about poison ivy and all that crap. I mean poisons that can be tested on plants and not animals or humans.

Why am I asking this? I have a chemistry project, and my partner and I settled on poisons as our subject. We need to prove that our poisons work, and find a bunch of info on this. Obviously, we can't test this on humans or animals, but plants is a viable option for this.

So, does anyone here have a strange knowledge on plants, soil, chemistry, poisons, or toxins that kill plants...maybe all of that, yeah that'd be great.

So any info, please lemme know, with any links you may have to provide said info, help give me more info, have sources to cite, etc etc. Info please :3

Sola dosis facit venenum, first of all.

That being said, look into synthetic herbicides or allelopathic secretions (like juglone). There are many different examples of herbicides. Some literally melt plasma membranes, of people or plants. Others block metabolic processes (roundup is one) or photosynthesis itself through various mechanisms, or are plant hormones.
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2/19/2016 6:54:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2016 1:24:39 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 2/12/2016 4:11:09 PM, Vaarka wrote:
Okay, let me set this straight right now. I am NOT talking about poisonous plants. I don't care about poison ivy and all that crap. I mean poisons that can be tested on plants and not animals or humans.

Why am I asking this? I have a chemistry project, and my partner and I settled on poisons as our subject. We need to prove that our poisons work, and find a bunch of info on this. Obviously, we can't test this on humans or animals, but plants is a viable option for this.

So, does anyone here have a strange knowledge on plants, soil, chemistry, poisons, or toxins that kill plants...maybe all of that, yeah that'd be great.

So any info, please lemme know, with any links you may have to provide said info, help give me more info, have sources to cite, etc etc. Info please :3

Sola dosis facit venenum, first of all.

That being said, look into synthetic herbicides or allelopathic secretions (like juglone). There are many different examples of herbicides. Some literally melt plasma membranes, of people or plants. Others block metabolic processes (roundup is one) or photosynthesis itself through various mechanisms, or are plant hormones.

Thanks for the response, Skep :3
You got anything else on the subject, or any cites/books to suggest for this kinda thing?
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2/20/2016 6:29:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/12/2016 4:11:09 PM, Vaarka wrote:
I have a chemistry project, and my partner and I settled on poisons as our subject. We need to prove that our poisons work, and find a bunch of info on this. Obviously, we can't test this on humans or animals, but plants is a viable option for this.
At 2/19/2016 1:24:39 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Sola dosis facit venenum

I was going to point this out, but then Skep did so in Latin.

Nice one, Skep. :)

I'm still wondering what though Vaarka, is the question though, that the project will address? Is it verifying as Skep points out, that toxicity is about dosage? Or is it about take-up rates and dispersal, or saturation, or administration methods, or variations in effect between plants? Or recovery rates or some other measure of efficacy?

What's your interest in poisons, and what do you hope to demonstrate or falsify? Also, what are your constraints for conducting the experiment? What do you have available, and how do you hope to create accurate, repeatable methods?
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2/20/2016 6:30:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/20/2016 6:29:42 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
I'm still wondering what though Vaarka, is the question though
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