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Fkkize
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2/23/2016 5:48:55 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

Squaring a circle.
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TBR
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2/23/2016 6:21:06 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

I'm not sure how far you are going to get with this line of reasoning. Again, you are in the science forum. What I am saying is, impossible vs improbable is what this is going to come down to. God is, to me, highly improbable, not impossible.
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2/23/2016 7:02:06 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

Please define impossible, TRE. Some mean 'improbable' which I think is too weak. Others mean 'inconceivable', which I think is both too weak and too strong. Some mean 'invalid', which is fine in itself, but I don't think validity has anything to do with possibility.

What makes an idea impossible, yet not inconceivable, improbable or invalid? If there is no such definition, then the word itself is meaningless
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2/24/2016 1:49:38 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

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2/24/2016 2:15:38 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
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2/24/2016 5:13:12 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 7:02:06 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

Please define impossible, TRE. Some mean 'improbable' which I think is too weak. Others mean 'inconceivable', which I think is both too weak and too strong. Some mean 'invalid', which is fine in itself, but I don't think validity has anything to do with possibility.

What makes an idea impossible, yet not inconceivable, improbable or invalid? If there is no such definition, then the word itself is meaningless

Impossible - not possible, never possible
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2/24/2016 6:40:51 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 5:13:12 AM, TREssspa wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:02:06 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

Please define impossible, TRE. Some mean 'improbable' which I think is too weak. Others mean 'inconceivable', which I think is both too weak and too strong. Some mean 'invalid', which is fine in itself, but I don't think validity has anything to do with possibility.

What makes an idea impossible, yet not inconceivable, improbable or invalid? If there is no such definition, then the word itself is meaningless

Impossible - not possible, never possible

How do we recognise 'not' or 'never' possible? We predict what is possible by exploring the consequence of the best models for what we have observed, but models change as we observe more.

How do we recognise impossible?
TREssspa
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2/24/2016 6:59:31 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 6:40:51 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/24/2016 5:13:12 AM, TREssspa wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:02:06 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

Please define impossible, TRE. Some mean 'improbable' which I think is too weak. Others mean 'inconceivable', which I think is both too weak and too strong. Some mean 'invalid', which is fine in itself, but I don't think validity has anything to do with possibility.

What makes an idea impossible, yet not inconceivable, improbable or invalid? If there is no such definition, then the word itself is meaningless

Impossible - not possible, never possible

How do we recognise 'not' or 'never' possible? We predict what is possible by exploring the consequence of the best models for what we have observed, but models change as we observe more.

How do we recognise impossible?

There is something called 'common sense'. It would be helpful. If you insist I can give you an example of not possible, never possible - impossible.
TBR
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2/24/2016 7:15:23 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 6:59:31 AM, TREssspa wrote:
At 2/24/2016 6:40:51 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/24/2016 5:13:12 AM, TREssspa wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:02:06 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

Please define impossible, TRE. Some mean 'improbable' which I think is too weak. Others mean 'inconceivable', which I think is both too weak and too strong. Some mean 'invalid', which is fine in itself, but I don't think validity has anything to do with possibility.

What makes an idea impossible, yet not inconceivable, improbable or invalid? If there is no such definition, then the word itself is meaningless

Impossible - not possible, never possible

How do we recognise 'not' or 'never' possible? We predict what is possible by exploring the consequence of the best models for what we have observed, but models change as we observe more.

How do we recognise impossible?

There is something called 'common sense'. It would be helpful. If you insist I can give you an example of not possible, never possible - impossible.

Yea, see. You are having the problem I described. Improbable vs impossible. If you can come up with a true impossible, I will give you some real credit, but I don't think its "probable" ;)
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2/24/2016 7:28:30 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 7:15:23 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/24/2016 6:59:31 AM, TREssspa wrote:
At 2/24/2016 6:40:51 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/24/2016 5:13:12 AM, TREssspa wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:02:06 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/23/2016 5:43:24 PM, TREssspa wrote:
To begin with, what do you have to say about an impossible event. Give an example of it.

Please define impossible, TRE. Some mean 'improbable' which I think is too weak. Others mean 'inconceivable', which I think is both too weak and too strong. Some mean 'invalid', which is fine in itself, but I don't think validity has anything to do with possibility.

What makes an idea impossible, yet not inconceivable, improbable or invalid? If there is no such definition, then the word itself is meaningless

Impossible - not possible, never possible

How do we recognise 'not' or 'never' possible? We predict what is possible by exploring the consequence of the best models for what we have observed, but models change as we observe more.

How do we recognise impossible?

There is something called 'common sense'. It would be helpful. If you insist I can give you an example of not possible, never possible - impossible.

Yea, see. You are having the problem I described. Improbable vs impossible. If you can come up with a true impossible, I will give you some real credit, but I don't think its "probable" ;)

Here are the examples of a true impossible -

write the last digit of an irrational no like pi or phi.

demonstrate infinity using physical objects, like mirror.
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2/24/2016 9:42:33 AM
Posted: 9 months ago

Here are the examples of a true impossible -

write the last digit of an irrational no like pi or phi.

demonstrate infinity using physical objects, like mirror.

Other provable impossibilities include trisecting an angle with a straight-edge and compass, and writing a computer program that determines whether any other arbitrary computer program halts.

There are other logical impossibilities. For instance, theologians tend to agree that even an omnipotent god could not alter the logical validity of modus ponens, or make it so 2+2=5.
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2/24/2016 1:35:10 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I may quit science forum. You guys are more interested in language, definition etc. I am not even getting to the question I intended to ask with ' Starting point difference '. Indeed, there is a reason science forum is almost dead.
TBR
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2/24/2016 3:13:44 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 1:35:10 PM, TREssspa wrote:
I may quit science forum. You guys are more interested in language, definition etc. I am not even getting to the question I intended to ask with ' Starting point difference '. Indeed, there is a reason science forum is almost dead.

You know... That might be the best for you. Yea, the science forum is going to be exact as possible, and using words loosely is not going to go over well.
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2/24/2016 4:08:53 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 3:13:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/24/2016 1:35:10 PM, TREssspa wrote:
I may quit science forum. You guys are more interested in language, definition etc. I am not even getting to the question I intended to ask with ' Starting point difference '. Indeed, there is a reason science forum is almost dead.

You know... That might be the best for you. Yea, the science forum is going to be exact as possible, and using words loosely is not going to go over well.

Ok then.