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2/25/2016 11:41:21 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
The recent discovery of gravity waves by LIGO is a hoax. LIGO is an experiment that was designed to fit the paradigm of a false assumption. Einstein was an idiot who came up with a whole bunch of nonsense regarding relativity and gravity. What they are really measuring is phase cancellation of electromagnetic currents.
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2/26/2016 12:56:20 AM
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Better hurry and publish these findings before someone else beats you to it. Overthrowing relativity is a major scientific coup. Such a momentous discovery will rank you right up there with historic greats such as Frederic Petit, Hans Horbiger, John Keely and Alfred Lawson.
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2/26/2016 1:04:17 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/25/2016 11:41:21 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
The recent discovery of gravity waves by LIGO is a hoax. LIGO is an experiment that was designed to fit the paradigm of a false assumption. Einstein was an idiot who came up with a whole bunch of nonsense regarding relativity and gravity. What they are really measuring is phase cancellation of electromagnetic currents.



Yea, I think you are 100% troll now. You could have kept it up, but now... Bridge too far.
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2/26/2016 1:55:34 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/26/2016 1:04:17 AM, TBR wrote:


Yea, I think you are 100% troll now. You could have kept it up, but now... Bridge too far.

Your just a brainless consensus follower. "Go with the flow" Mama said, "and you will go far in this world, son" lol
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2/26/2016 1:58:21 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/26/2016 1:55:34 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 2/26/2016 1:04:17 AM, TBR wrote:


Yea, I think you are 100% troll now. You could have kept it up, but now... Bridge too far.

Your just a brainless consensus follower. "Go with the flow" Mama said, "and you will go far in this world, son" lol

177 posts in, and not a one has substance. Good for you.
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2/26/2016 2:02:27 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/26/2016 12:56:20 AM, Stronn wrote:
Better hurry and publish these findings before someone else beats you to it. Overthrowing relativity is a major scientific coup. Such a momentous discovery will rank you right up there with historic greats such as Frederic Petit, Hans Horbiger, John Keely and Alfred Lawson.

Frederic Petit is a bad example, if you are trying to make a nanny goat out of me. They have since found that there is, indeed, more than one moon orbiting the Earth! lol

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...
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2/26/2016 6:06:41 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Frederic Petit is a bad example, if you are trying to make a nanny goat out of me. They have since found that there is, indeed, more than one moon orbiting the Earth! lol

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...

The "second moon" of that link. Cruithne, is not a moon. It is an asteroid that orbits the Sun once a year, approaching the Earth once per orbit. Even if you stretch the definition of "moon" to include objects that don't orbit the Earth, and are sometime on the other side of the Sun (as is Cruithne), Cruithne would still not be the second moon of Frederic Petit, which he claimed had an orbital period of 2 hours 44 and approached to within 12 kilometers at perigee, which is well within the Earth's atmosphere.
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2/26/2016 7:58:30 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/25/2016 11:41:21 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
The recent discovery of gravity waves by LIGO is a hoax. LIGO is an experiment that was designed to fit the paradigm of a false assumption. Einstein was an idiot who came up with a whole bunch of nonsense regarding relativity and gravity. What they are really measuring is phase cancellation of electromagnetic currents.




Excellent, this goes right along with the rest of proving that special relativity is a huge hoax to justify the BB-theory.

Here is 1932 Germany, Hitler rising to power, the Germans are about to prove to the rest of the world that there is no God but they, so they go up to Einstein and tell him: "Hey Jude kinder, boy, .. do you want to live? All you have to do is come up with some crazy sh#t to confuse scientists, to make them think what they thought was true, is no longer true. Make classical physics look like child's play, that theoretical physics is where it's at, and we will save your rat but from extermination and usher you out of Germany, and take you to the US where you will regroup with other German gods-of physics, and we will even make you famous. Here now, quickly make up an equation, .. you know that energy thingy you were working on, .. yeah, that E=MC^2 and we'll make it the answer to everything instead of a Creator God,

.. yeah, that's the ticket, now ANYTHING we say will be possible. WE make the laws of nature not God! And if we say nothing can go faster than light, then so shall it be. If WE say light is a constant (unless another German physicist says it can be slowed down!) then light is a constant. If WE say "nothing is not nothing anymore", then you can bet your life on it, .. actually denying it will cost you your life.

Poor Einstein was a victim just as poor helpless Stephen Hawking is, strapped to a wheelchair, small electrical charge twitching his face to make it seem as if he is actually the one spasming out the words: "God is no longer necessary in the creation of the universe" which is then played out on an old answering machines voice recorder.

Thank you for sharing that with us.
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2/26/2016 9:07:17 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/26/2016 7:58:30 PM, Evidence wrote:

Here is 1932 Germany, Hitler rising to power, the Germans are about to prove to the rest of the world that there is no God but they, so they go up to Einstein and tell him: "Hey Jude kinder, boy, .. do you want to live? All you have to do is come up with some crazy sh#t to confuse scientists, to make them think what they thought was true, is no longer true. Make classical physics look like child's play, that theoretical physics is where it's at, and we will save your rat but from extermination and usher you out of Germany, and take you to the US where you will regroup with other German gods-of physics, and we will even make you famous. Here now, quickly make up an equation, .. you know that energy thingy you were working on, .. yeah, that E=MC^2 and we'll make it the answer to everything instead of a Creator God,


Entertaining story. The only problem is that Einstein published the special theory of relativity in 1905.
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2/26/2016 11:17:05 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/26/2016 7:58:30 PM, Evidence wrote:

Excellent, this goes right along with the rest of proving that special relativity is a huge hoax to justify the BB-theory.

Here is 1932 Germany, Hitler rising to power, the Germans are about to prove to the rest of the world that there is no God but they, so they go up to Einstein and tell him: "Hey Jude kinder, boy, .. do you want to live? All you have to do is come up with some crazy sh#t to confuse scientists, to make them think what they thought was true, is no longer true. Make classical physics look like child's play, that theoretical physics is where it's at, and we will save your rat but from extermination and usher you out of Germany, and take you to the US where you will regroup with other German gods-of physics, and we will even make you famous. Here now, quickly make up an equation, .. you know that energy thingy you were working on, .. yeah, that E=MC^2 and we'll make it the answer to everything instead of a Creator God,

.. yeah, that's the ticket, now ANYTHING we say will be possible. WE make the laws of nature not God! And if we say nothing can go faster than light, then so shall it be. If WE say light is a constant (unless another German physicist says it can be slowed down!) then light is a constant. If WE say "nothing is not nothing anymore", then you can bet your life on it, .. actually denying it will cost you your life.

Poor Einstein was a victim just as poor helpless Stephen Hawking is, strapped to a wheelchair, small electrical charge twitching his face to make it seem as if he is actually the one spasming out the words: "God is no longer necessary in the creation of the universe" which is then played out on an old answering machines voice recorder.

Thank you for sharing that with us.

By refuting Einstein, I am not opening up the door to religious fanatics. Religion has nothing to do with it. Einstein and Hawking are both from minority groups. It is part of the political correct leftist strategy to undermine the capitalist society using scientific nonsense to confuse and disorientate people. If you want to subjugate a large group of people, you need to divide them first. Its the basic Roman Principle of 'divide and conquer'. The ruling classes are constantly using strategies to weaken and divide the working classes. They use bogus science, fear of racism and fear of insult to minority groups as a means of control and manipulation.
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2/27/2016 5:50:03 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/25/2016 11:41:21 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
The recent discovery of gravity waves by LIGO is a hoax. LIGO is an experiment that was designed to fit the paradigm of a false assumption. Einstein was an idiot who came up with a whole bunch of nonsense regarding relativity and gravity. What they are really measuring is phase cancellation of electromagnetic currents.

Einstein was an idiot? You might venture out of your mom's basement and use a GPS to see that idiots ideas in practical solutions. But hey, don't wander to far from your basement without a GPS or you might get lost... physically, not mentally. The latter is already a given.
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2/27/2016 7:17:04 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/26/2016 12:56:20 AM, Stronn wrote:
Better hurry and publish these findings before someone else beats you to it. Overthrowing relativity is a major scientific coup. Such a momentous discovery will rank you right up there with historic greats such as Frederic Petit, Hans Horbiger, John Keely and Alfred Lawson.

Well be aware, Oleg D Jefimenko (who's book is referred to in that video) was a practicing physicist with many publications to his name.

Unfortunately I can find very little about him but get the impression he held an unorthodox yet completely mathematically viable view about the nature of electromagnetism.

It seems he questioned the cause/effect relationship between a varying electric field and associated magnetic field and I'm afraid I'm far too rusty to express an opinion on his view.

I have no idea though how his book relates to the announcement of gravitational waves and the guy in that video may well be using Jefimenko's book as a prop.

Harry.
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2/27/2016 11:50:34 PM
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At 2/27/2016 5:50:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Einstein was an idiot? You might venture out of your mom's basement and use a GPS to see that idiots ideas in practical solutions. But hey, don't wander to far from your basement without a GPS or you might get lost... physically, not mentally. The latter is already a given.

A GPS operates by measuring differences in matter compression and aetheric pressure. It has got nothing to do with time changing. You have been brainwashed. Time never changes.
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2/27/2016 11:55:35 PM
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At 2/27/2016 7:17:04 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:

Well be aware, Oleg D Jefimenko (who's book is referred to in that video) was a practicing physicist with many publications to his name.

Unfortunately I can find very little about him but get the impression he held an unorthodox yet completely mathematically viable view about the nature of electromagnetism.

It seems he questioned the cause/effect relationship between a varying electric field and associated magnetic field and I'm afraid I'm far too rusty to express an opinion on his view.

I have no idea though how his book relates to the announcement of gravitational waves and the guy in that video may well be using Jefimenko's book as a prop.

Harry.

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2/28/2016 2:49:31 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 11:50:34 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 2/27/2016 5:50:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Einstein was an idiot? You might venture out of your mom's basement and use a GPS to see that idiots ideas in practical solutions. But hey, don't wander to far from your basement without a GPS or you might get lost... physically, not mentally. The latter is already a given.

A GPS operates by measuring differences in matter compression and aetheric pressure.

Sorry, that is entirely incorrect, GPS has been setup and is working entirely on the basis of Relativity. This is a fact. What you claim is cranky crackpot nonsense.

It has got nothing to do with time changing. You have been brainwashed. Time never changes.

Yeah, it does, that is a fact.
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2/28/2016 4:18:12 PM
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At 2/28/2016 2:49:31 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/27/2016 11:50:34 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 2/27/2016 5:50:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Einstein was an idiot? You might venture out of your mom's basement and use a GPS to see that idiots ideas in practical solutions. But hey, don't wander to far from your basement without a GPS or you might get lost... physically, not mentally. The latter is already a given.

A GPS operates by measuring differences in matter compression and aetheric pressure.

Sorry, that is entirely incorrect, GPS has been setup and is working entirely on the basis of Relativity. This is a fact. What you claim is cranky crackpot nonsense.

It has got nothing to do with time changing. You have been brainwashed. Time never changes.

Yeah, it does, that is a fact.

Careful - I just read this:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

it raises some interesting points, though I don't have time to really dig into it...
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2/28/2016 4:53:36 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/28/2016 4:18:12 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 2:49:31 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/27/2016 11:50:34 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 2/27/2016 5:50:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Einstein was an idiot? You might venture out of your mom's basement and use a GPS to see that idiots ideas in practical solutions. But hey, don't wander to far from your basement without a GPS or you might get lost... physically, not mentally. The latter is already a given.

A GPS operates by measuring differences in matter compression and aetheric pressure.

Sorry, that is entirely incorrect, GPS has been setup and is working entirely on the basis of Relativity. This is a fact. What you claim is cranky crackpot nonsense.

It has got nothing to do with time changing. You have been brainwashed. Time never changes.

Yeah, it does, that is a fact.

Careful - I just read this:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

it raises some interesting points, though I don't have time to really dig into it...

When you do have time, then you can present whatever is there you think is interesting.
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2/28/2016 5:47:11 PM
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At 2/28/2016 4:53:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 4:18:12 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 2:49:31 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/27/2016 11:50:34 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 2/27/2016 5:50:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Einstein was an idiot? You might venture out of your mom's basement and use a GPS to see that idiots ideas in practical solutions. But hey, don't wander to far from your basement without a GPS or you might get lost... physically, not mentally. The latter is already a given.

A GPS operates by measuring differences in matter compression and aetheric pressure.

Sorry, that is entirely incorrect, GPS has been setup and is working entirely on the basis of Relativity. This is a fact. What you claim is cranky crackpot nonsense.

It has got nothing to do with time changing. You have been brainwashed. Time never changes.

Yeah, it does, that is a fact.

Careful - I just read this:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

it raises some interesting points, though I don't have time to really dig into it...

When you do have time, then you can present whatever is there you think is interesting.

Well for one thing he's mentions that the atomic clocks in the satellites are all frequency adjusted so that the observed clock rate (from earth) is the same as a ground clock, yet the degree of compensation must be different for different points on the earth and different altitudes...

Next he points out that a GPS receiver itself has no atomic clock so there's no mechanism that relies on comparing received time-stamps with local time-stamps...

So I do wonder if there's any compelling reason to consider relativistic effects when we're assuming every satellite is impacted equally...

Harry.
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2/28/2016 5:57:58 PM
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At 2/28/2016 4:53:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 4:18:12 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 2:49:31 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/27/2016 11:50:34 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 2/27/2016 5:50:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Einstein was an idiot? You might venture out of your mom's basement and use a GPS to see that idiots ideas in practical solutions. But hey, don't wander to far from your basement without a GPS or you might get lost... physically, not mentally. The latter is already a given.

A GPS operates by measuring differences in matter compression and aetheric pressure.

Sorry, that is entirely incorrect, GPS has been setup and is working entirely on the basis of Relativity. This is a fact. What you claim is cranky crackpot nonsense.

It has got nothing to do with time changing. You have been brainwashed. Time never changes.

Yeah, it does, that is a fact.

Careful - I just read this:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

it raises some interesting points, though I don't have time to really dig into it...

When you do have time, then you can present whatever is there you think is interesting.

I can see a logistical benefit from minimizing the satellite clock differences - debugging/testing will be a lot easier if we're able to assume all clocks tick at same rate. But I'm not clear on whether its strictly necessary in order for a GPS receiver to calculate it's position...

The receiver though calculates the local time by processing the received signals, I guess for that local time to be meaningful we do need compensation...
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2/28/2016 6:28:37 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/28/2016 5:47:11 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 4:53:36 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 4:18:12 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 2:49:31 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/27/2016 11:50:34 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 2/27/2016 5:50:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Einstein was an idiot? You might venture out of your mom's basement and use a GPS to see that idiots ideas in practical solutions. But hey, don't wander to far from your basement without a GPS or you might get lost... physically, not mentally. The latter is already a given.

A GPS operates by measuring differences in matter compression and aetheric pressure.

Sorry, that is entirely incorrect, GPS has been setup and is working entirely on the basis of Relativity. This is a fact. What you claim is cranky crackpot nonsense.

It has got nothing to do with time changing. You have been brainwashed. Time never changes.

Yeah, it does, that is a fact.

Careful - I just read this:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

it raises some interesting points, though I don't have time to really dig into it...

When you do have time, then you can present whatever is there you think is interesting.

Well for one thing he's mentions that the atomic clocks in the satellites are all frequency adjusted so that the observed clock rate (from earth) is the same as a ground clock, yet the degree of compensation must be different for different points on the earth and different altitudes...

Distances are calculated and taken into account.

Next he points out that a GPS receiver itself has no atomic clock so there's no mechanism that relies on comparing received time-stamps with local time-stamps...

True, the receivers don't have atomic clocks, hence there will be slight errors. And, guess what. there are slight errors.

So I do wonder if there's any compelling reason to consider relativistic effects when we're assuming every satellite is impacted equally...

Yes, there is, but unless you understand how GPS works, then you'll probably go off looking for kooky websites like that one.

Harry.
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2/28/2016 6:30:07 PM
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At 2/28/2016 6:00:27 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
Basically I don't think the (2 part) article is without merit:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

Yeah, it is without merit. Try to understand how GPS works before you post Bernard Burchell's nonsense.

Harry.
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2/28/2016 6:45:10 PM
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At 2/28/2016 6:30:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:00:27 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
Basically I don't think the (2 part) article is without merit:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

Yeah, it is without merit. Try to understand how GPS works before you post Bernard Burchell's nonsense.

Harry.

Well I don't claim to fully understand all of the details, I'm quite capable of doing so but don't have the time to dwell as it would require.

You will agree though that a GPS receiver does not contain an atomic clock?

Harry.
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2/28/2016 7:00:05 PM
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At 2/28/2016 6:45:10 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:30:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:00:27 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
Basically I don't think the (2 part) article is without merit:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

Yeah, it is without merit. Try to understand how GPS works before you post Bernard Burchell's nonsense.

Harry.

Well I don't claim to fully understand all of the details, I'm quite capable of doing so

I seriously doubt that based on your posts here.

but don't have the time to dwell as it would require.

You will agree though that a GPS receiver does not contain an atomic clock?

Of course, they don't. So what?

Harry.
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2/28/2016 7:14:06 PM
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At 2/28/2016 7:00:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:45:10 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:30:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:00:27 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
Basically I don't think the (2 part) article is without merit:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

Yeah, it is without merit. Try to understand how GPS works before you post Bernard Burchell's nonsense.

Harry.

Well I don't claim to fully understand all of the details, I'm quite capable of doing so

I seriously doubt that based on your posts here.

but don't have the time to dwell as it would require.

You will agree though that a GPS receiver does not contain an atomic clock?

Of course, they don't. So what?

Harry.

Well if they don't contain an atomic reference clock, there's no way to even detect any difference between the "real" local time and the transmitted time-stamp.

Let me be very clear - I'm not saying GPS doesn't work or that the atomic clock compensation serves no purpose, I am saying that I suspect that position could be reliably computed whether the satellite clocks had been compensated or not.

I suspect (again, I'd need time to fully study the engineering) that the clock compensation is intended to enable the GPS receiver to compute the current local time - precisely because it has no atomic clock.

Remember I'm an electronics and software engineer and quite capable of understanding everything about this system, but I'm new to its inner workings and don't have time to fully study it.

Harry.
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2/28/2016 8:52:41 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/28/2016 7:14:06 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 7:00:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:45:10 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:30:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:00:27 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
Basically I don't think the (2 part) article is without merit:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

Yeah, it is without merit. Try to understand how GPS works before you post Bernard Burchell's nonsense.

Harry.

Well I don't claim to fully understand all of the details, I'm quite capable of doing so

I seriously doubt that based on your posts here.

but don't have the time to dwell as it would require.

You will agree though that a GPS receiver does not contain an atomic clock?

Of course, they don't. So what?

Harry.

Well if they don't contain an atomic reference clock, there's no way to even detect any difference between the "real" local time and the transmitted time-stamp.

They use quartz crystal oscillators in the receivers and a technique called 'between receiver single differencing' for the time.

Let me be very clear - I'm not saying GPS doesn't work or that the atomic clock compensation serves no purpose, I am saying that I suspect that position could be reliably computed whether the satellite clocks had been compensated or not.

I suspect (again, I'd need time to fully study the engineering) that the clock compensation is intended to enable the GPS receiver to compute the current local time - precisely because it has no atomic clock.

Remember I'm an electronics and software engineer and quite capable of understanding everything about this system, but I'm new to its inner workings and don't have time to fully study it.

Harry.

Yes Harry, I've heard believers claim all kinds of credentials, yet they can never seem to demonstrate them.
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2/29/2016 2:34:19 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/29/2016 11:30:39 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
Aether compression causes time dilation. Not relativity.

Reference - http://arxiv.org...

LOL. Relativity does not cause time dilation.
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2/29/2016 2:44:26 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/28/2016 8:52:41 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 7:14:06 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 7:00:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:45:10 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:30:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:00:27 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
Basically I don't think the (2 part) article is without merit:

http://www.alternativephysics.org...

Yeah, it is without merit. Try to understand how GPS works before you post Bernard Burchell's nonsense.

Harry.

Well I don't claim to fully understand all of the details, I'm quite capable of doing so

I seriously doubt that based on your posts here.

but don't have the time to dwell as it would require.

You will agree though that a GPS receiver does not contain an atomic clock?

Of course, they don't. So what?

Harry.

Well if they don't contain an atomic reference clock, there's no way to even detect any difference between the "real" local time and the transmitted time-stamp.

They use quartz crystal oscillators in the receivers and a technique called 'between receiver single differencing' for the time.

Let me be very clear - I'm not saying GPS doesn't work or that the atomic clock compensation serves no purpose, I am saying that I suspect that position could be reliably computed whether the satellite clocks had been compensated or not.

I suspect (again, I'd need time to fully study the engineering) that the clock compensation is intended to enable the GPS receiver to compute the current local time - precisely because it has no atomic clock.

Remember I'm an electronics and software engineer and quite capable of understanding everything about this system, but I'm new to its inner workings and don't have time to fully study it.

Harry.

Yes Harry, I've heard believers claim all kinds of credentials, yet they can never seem to demonstrate them.

You must be hanging around with the wrong people then, since you're back to the insults I'll drop out of this chat.