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life vs. conscience life (abortion)?

TBR
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4/1/2016 12:31:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Many people work to draw this line. For me it has little value perusing. It does not change the actual debate (balancing the rights of the woman with a fetus).
Dark-one
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4/1/2016 4:22:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 12:31:11 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Many people work to draw this line. For me it has little value perusing. It does not change the actual debate (balancing the rights of the woman with a fetus).

If a eukaryotic organism is unable to maintain it's metabolic functions or grow without help from the parent, is it considered alive by biologists?

I mean this as a serious question, not to start a flame war.
Dark-one
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4/1/2016 4:22:54 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 4:22:35 PM, Dark-one wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:31:11 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Many people work to draw this line. For me it has little value perusing. It does not change the actual debate (balancing the rights of the woman with a fetus).

If a eukaryotic organism is unable to maintain it's metabolic functions or grow without help from the parent, is it considered alive by biologists?

I mean this as a serious question, not to start a flame war.

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TBR
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4/1/2016 4:32:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 4:22:35 PM, Dark-one wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:31:11 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Many people work to draw this line. For me it has little value perusing. It does not change the actual debate (balancing the rights of the woman with a fetus).

If a eukaryotic organism is unable to maintain it's metabolic functions or grow without help from the parent, is it considered alive by biologists?

I mean this as a serious question, not to start a flame war.

Yea, again, not really. The point this comes down to me when arguing with pro-life is, killing is not necessarily immoral, and not illegal by default. When the fetus is in some sort vague definition of "person" has little to do with if a woman can abort.
Dark-one
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4/1/2016 4:39:13 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 4:32:11 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 4:22:35 PM, Dark-one wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:31:11 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Many people work to draw this line. For me it has little value perusing. It does not change the actual debate (balancing the rights of the woman with a fetus).

If a eukaryotic organism is unable to maintain it's metabolic functions or grow without help from the parent, is it considered alive by biologists?

I mean this as a serious question, not to start a flame war.

Yea, again, not really. The point this comes down to me when arguing with pro-life is, killing is not necessarily immoral, and not illegal by default. When the fetus is in some sort vague definition of "person" has little to do with if a woman can abort.

So, this isn't about biology 101?
Floid
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4/1/2016 6:47:48 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Introducing consciousness into the equations is tricky because that opens up all kinds of questions about people with disabilities, serious brain damage, perhaps even new born children, etc. For example, what is the difference in consciousness between a 6 month old unborn child and a 6 month old child born prematurely?
Dark-one
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4/1/2016 9:16:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 6:47:48 PM, Floid wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Introducing consciousness into the equations is tricky because that opens up all kinds of questions about people with disabilities, serious brain damage, perhaps even new born children, etc. For example, what is the difference in consciousness between a 6 month old unborn child and a 6 month old child born prematurely?

When I said consciousness, I meant that their nervous systems were up and running.
Geogeer
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4/3/2016 6:53:45 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Depends on whom you are debating.

Most Pro-life people will say from fertilization. Pro Choice people will propose a different career depending on when they want to grant rights to the unborn.
Dark-one
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4/3/2016 5:47:55 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/3/2016 6:53:45 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:55:24 AM, Dark-one wrote:
Do we consider pro-life/pro-choice in terms of life, or conscience life?

Depends on whom you are debating.

Most Pro-life people will say from fertilization. Pro Choice people will propose a different career depending on when they want to grant rights to the unborn.

I mean legally.