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janesix
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4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.
Axonly
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4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).
Meh!
janesix
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4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.
Ramshutu
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4/14/2016 8:27:35 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.

Or it served a purpose when underwater...
janesix
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4/14/2016 8:29:00 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 8:27:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.

Or it served a purpose when underwater...

Exactly, it "served a purpose". Did you really mean to say that?
Ramshutu
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4/14/2016 9:27:06 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 8:29:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:27:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.

Or it served a purpose when underwater...

Exactly, it "served a purpose". Did you really mean to say that?

Yes. There is a difference between undirected reuse of things already there, and predetermined sets of mutations with a goal in mind.
janesix
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4/14/2016 9:38:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 9:27:06 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:29:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:27:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.

Or it served a purpose when underwater...

Exactly, it "served a purpose". Did you really mean to say that?

Yes. There is a difference between undirected reuse of things already there, and predetermined sets of mutations with a goal in mind.

There is no "purpose" in a world where random mutations are at the core of adaptation of a species.

Accidents can't have a purpose. They can ultimately be useful to a species.
Ramshutu
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4/14/2016 9:41:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 9:38:39 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 9:27:06 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:29:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:27:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.

Or it served a purpose when underwater...

Exactly, it "served a purpose". Did you really mean to say that?

Yes. There is a difference between undirected reuse of things already there, and predetermined sets of mutations with a goal in mind.

There is no "purpose" in a world where random mutations are at the core of adaptation of a species.

Accidents can't have a purpose. They can ultimately be useful to a species.

Actually your right. "Or it was a function that aided survival when the organism's ancestors lived in water" is more appropriate and accurate

It's the vagaries of english, I'm afraid.
janesix
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4/14/2016 9:47:34 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 9:41:30 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 9:38:39 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 9:27:06 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:29:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:27:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.

Or it served a purpose when underwater...

Exactly, it "served a purpose". Did you really mean to say that?

Yes. There is a difference between undirected reuse of things already there, and predetermined sets of mutations with a goal in mind.

There is no "purpose" in a world where random mutations are at the core of adaptation of a species.

Accidents can't have a purpose. They can ultimately be useful to a species.

Actually your right. "Or it was a function that aided survival when the organism's ancestors lived in water" is more appropriate and accurate

It's the vagaries of english, I'm afraid.

I'm not trying to be irritating, really. Just pointing out that evolution often is talked about in teleological terms. And I think there is a reason for that. In that evolution appears to be purposeful.
Ramshutu
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4/14/2016 10:21:12 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 9:47:34 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 9:41:30 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 9:38:39 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 9:27:06 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:29:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:27:35 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.

Or it served a purpose when underwater...

Exactly, it "served a purpose". Did you really mean to say that?

Yes. There is a difference between undirected reuse of things already there, and predetermined sets of mutations with a goal in mind.

There is no "purpose" in a world where random mutations are at the core of adaptation of a species.

Accidents can't have a purpose. They can ultimately be useful to a species.

Actually your right. "Or it was a function that aided survival when the organism's ancestors lived in water" is more appropriate and accurate

It's the vagaries of english, I'm afraid.

I'm not trying to be irritating, really. Just pointing out that evolution often is talked about in teleological terms. And I think there is a reason for that. In that evolution appears to be purposeful.

"appears"

not

"is".

The reason is the same as why we have phrases such as "birdsong, the ground swallowed him up, the earths journey around the sun, that wasp is angry, the river carves a path for itself, the dinosaurs ruled the earth, the software user friendly" and a massive and overwhelming number of others.

Our language and brains tend to revolve around events, and the interaction and actions of intelligent actors; that we find most comfortable describing in anthropomorphic and human terms. Nothing more.

When describing a naturally occurring event or process, for reasons of brevity, people use words that aren't entirely applicable; or are anthropomorphic. Not because there is any purpose, intelligence or motivation there, but because "Created", "designed", "purpose" and others is the fastest and most concise way of describing the object over "spectated and diverged from a common ancestor until they were a distinct biological species", "through a process of natural selection over millions of years, slowly acquired a feature that provided additional survival benefit and performed the given function", and "a particular feature or function evolved due to it's implicit survival benefit" respectively.

There's really no more to it than that; and for EXACTLY the same reason that the religious generally refer to God as a "He", even though when pressed no one would concede God has a Penis, Testes, and Y Chromosome; which are most generally the properties it requires to claim a person is a he.
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4/14/2016 10:22:46 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 8:22:59 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:03:47 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:57:51 PM, janesix wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com...

More evidence that evolution is directional and not random.

"At some point 450 million years ago, alga from the earth's waters splashed up on to barren land. Somehow it survived and took root, a watershed moment that kick-started the evolution of life on earth. Our discovery shows for the first time that the alga already knew how to survive on land while it was still in the water. Without the development of this pre-adapted capability in alga, the earth could be a very different place today.

(Is crying) YES! Someone who wants to talk about evolution, not whether it is true or false.

What exactly do you mean by "Directional and not random" exactly? Some aspects of evolution (Such as genetic variation) are random, but for the most part evolution is directional (Natural selection).

It means I think evolution is pre-programmed, with humans or post-humans as the ultimate goal.

Oh, thats a shame, never mind then.
Meh!
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4/18/2016 12:54:01 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
It seems more likely the world was designed for the benefit of cockroaches.. Or possibly cats, if you prefer the fluffy version!