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What is real?

janesix
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4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?
DanneJeRusse
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4/13/2016 3:28:15 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM, janesix wrote:
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?

Yes, they are all physical, they exist and can be detected and measured, their properties and characteristics can be explained in detail and their behavior can be accurately predicted.
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janesix
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4/13/2016 8:30:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 3:28:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM, janesix wrote:
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?

Yes, they are all physical, they exist and can be detected and measured, their properties and characteristics can be explained in detail and their behavior can be accurately predicted.

What is a field made out of?
DanneJeRusse
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4/13/2016 8:54:50 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 8:30:09 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/13/2016 3:28:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM, janesix wrote:
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?

Yes, they are all physical, they exist and can be detected and measured, their properties and characteristics can be explained in detail and their behavior can be accurately predicted.

What is a field made out of?

Energy, calculated by the energy density of electromagnetic waves stored in the field.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
janesix
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4/13/2016 9:01:04 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 8:54:50 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:30:09 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/13/2016 3:28:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM, janesix wrote:
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?

Yes, they are all physical, they exist and can be detected and measured, their properties and characteristics can be explained in detail and their behavior can be accurately predicted.

What is a field made out of?

Energy, calculated by the energy density of electromagnetic waves stored in the field.

Is everything just a form of energy?
Stronn
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4/15/2016 5:57:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 9:01:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:54:50 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:30:09 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/13/2016 3:28:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM, janesix wrote:
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?

Yes, they are all physical, they exist and can be detected and measured, their properties and characteristics can be explained in detail and their behavior can be accurately predicted.

What is a field made out of?

Energy, calculated by the energy density of electromagnetic waves stored in the field.

Is everything just a form of energy?

A statement that has stuck with me, by a physicist whose name I forget, goes like this: we cannot say what anything is, we can only describe how it behaves.

So to answer your question, we cannot say what a field is made out of, we can only describe how it behaves. Fields, such as electromagnetic fields, are fundamental entities, and as such there is no answer to the question of what they are made. They simply are. The best we can do is describe how they behave mathematically.
DanneJeRusse
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4/16/2016 1:12:28 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 9:01:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:54:50 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:30:09 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/13/2016 3:28:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM, janesix wrote:
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?

Yes, they are all physical, they exist and can be detected and measured, their properties and characteristics can be explained in detail and their behavior can be accurately predicted.

What is a field made out of?

Energy, calculated by the energy density of electromagnetic waves stored in the field.

Is everything just a form of energy?

Yes, pretty much. Einstein showed us that energy and matter can be transformed from one to the other when he published the equation e=mc^2, which shows how much energy can be equated to matter. With this equation, we can see that it takes only a small amount of matter to create a lot of energy, but also shows it takes a lot of energy to make a small amount of matter.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
keithprosser
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4/17/2016 4:06:52 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Real is a word used by speakers of english but what it refers to varies according to context and the presuppositions of the speaker and the hearer... Which are not always the same!

Btw some physicists are starting to argue that information is even more fundamental than energy or matter. Worth a look if you are interested in this sort of thing.
Mhykiel
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4/17/2016 7:21:46 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 3:28:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM, janesix wrote:
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?

Yes, they are all physical, they exist and can be detected and measured,

Detection and measure is technique of comparing change in one entity when in proximity to another. This is not a set determiner of "real" because it relies on the ability to detect such a change. Radio waves were real and existed before they were detected and measured.

Measurement is also rather vague. Heisenberg principle postulates we can not measure 2 complimentary properties of a particle with at the same time with high accuracy. So measurement in some cases is no different than detectable.

their properties and characteristics can be explained in detail and their behavior can be accurately predicted.

But their characteristics of things such as fields are not "in detail". Quantum pinching, quantum entanglement, Sonoluminescence. ect.. are observations that demonstrate a detailed understanding of forces still alludes us. And your argument implies that when somethings characteristics are not well understood then it is not "real". This is conclusion is reliant on ignorance, a lack of knowledge, over a conclusion based upon knowledge. So "real" and understanding characteristics do not logically infer each other.

As for "accurately predicted", you must mean accurate enough to be useful in the applications we have today. Vacuum energy, tunneling, radiotive decay, ect.. are all better known as random, chaotic, noisy, statistical phenomenon.

I always like seeing materialist argue how physical time, space, quantum particles, ect are.

I mean to accept all that you have to redefine some basic properties of "physical". "Physical" then means being in 2 places at the same time, teleporting from one place to another in an instant, phasing through other physical things, disappearing reappearing from nothing, having no entity as a carrier of force, ect..

I mean at the end of the day to redefine "physical' like that, is just sophistry. And if anything else is ever said to exhibit those kinds of characteristics, the materialist and atheist scream "imaginary" or "not real".

So "real" is "not real" if you secular reasoning.
DanneJeRusse
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4/17/2016 8:04:21 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 7:21:46 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 4/13/2016 3:28:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:09:28 PM, janesix wrote:
A photon has no mass. Is it a physical thing?

Is a field a physical thing?

What about energy?

Yes, they are all physical, they exist and can be detected and measured,

Detection and measure is technique of comparing change in one entity when in proximity to another. This is not a set determiner of "real" because it relies on the ability to detect such a change. Radio waves were real and existed before they were detected and measured.

Is there a point to that?

Measurement is also rather vague. Heisenberg principle postulates we can not measure 2 complimentary properties of a particle with at the same time with high accuracy. So measurement in some cases is no different than detectable.

You are talking about something completely different, but nonetheless, you can still get one measurement accurate and then do the other accurately. Again, do you have a point?

their properties and characteristics can be explained in detail and their behavior can be accurately predicted.

But their characteristics of things such as fields are not "in detail".

Yes, they are.

Quantum pinching, quantum entanglement, Sonoluminescence. ect.. are observations that demonstrate a detailed understanding of forces still alludes us.

Alludes you.

And your argument implies that when somethings characteristics are not well understood then it is not "real".

I never implied that at all.

This is conclusion is reliant on ignorance, a lack of knowledge, over a conclusion based upon knowledge. So "real" and understanding characteristics do not logically infer each other.

It's your conclusion, not mine.

As for "accurately predicted", you must mean accurate enough to be useful in the applications we have today. Vacuum energy, tunneling, radiotive decay, ect.. are all better known as random, chaotic, noisy, statistical phenomenon.

So what? Do you have a point?

I always like seeing materialist argue how physical time, space, quantum particles, ect are.

Too bad you don't understand any of it, then you might be able to make a point.

I mean to accept all that you have to redefine some basic properties of "physical". "Physical" then means being in 2 places at the same time, teleporting from one place to another in an instant, phasing through other physical things, disappearing reappearing from nothing, having no entity as a carrier of force, ect..

I mean at the end of the day to redefine "physical' like that, is just sophistry. And if anything else is ever said to exhibit those kinds of characteristics, the materialist and atheist scream "imaginary" or "not real".

So "real" is "not real" if you secular reasoning.

LOL. Plenty of words, no content, no coherence and no understanding. Well done.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth