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Diqiucun_Cunmin
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5/24/2016 6:25:01 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
My suggestion: Let's create a test on scientific reasoning that does not rely on existing knowledge about any particular field!

To get the ball rolling, I've written three questions. Feel free to improve on them or add new questions :D

https://docs.google.com...
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5/24/2016 7:18:01 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/24/2016 6:25:01 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
My suggestion: Let's create a test on scientific reasoning that does not rely on existing knowledge about any particular field!

To get the ball rolling, I've written three questions. Feel free to improve on them or add new questions :D

https://docs.google.com...

I don't know if it qualifies for your endeavor since it pertains to logical reasoning, but I've added one that I've always liked. You can always just delete it if it's no good.
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5/24/2016 10:28:17 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/24/2016 6:25:01 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
My suggestion: Let's create a test on scientific reasoning that does not rely on existing knowledge about any particular field!

This is possibly the most interesting and constructive thread I've seen in the Science forum to date.

My compliments, DC! There are some great questions there already.

I think there ought to be something about the transition from conjecture to hypothesis, since that catches a lot of philosophically-minded members out. Also, for the same reason, something about the difference between scientific verification and logical proof. Finally, something about when a change in ontology is necessary and valid, and when it isn't, since that catches even some of our more science-literate members at times.

If anyone has ideas for these, please add them. Otherwise I'll seek to come up with some as time permits.
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5/25/2016 1:37:03 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/24/2016 7:18:01 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 5/24/2016 6:25:01 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
My suggestion: Let's create a test on scientific reasoning that does not rely on existing knowledge about any particular field!

To get the ball rolling, I've written three questions. Feel free to improve on them or add new questions :D

https://docs.google.com...

I don't know if it qualifies for your endeavor since it pertains to logical reasoning, but I've added one that I've always liked. You can always just delete it if it's no good.

Haha, logical reasoning is always welcome, since logic is a very useful tool for scientists! It certainly is useful in linguistics.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
Diqiucun_Cunmin
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5/25/2016 1:42:47 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/24/2016 10:28:17 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 5/24/2016 6:25:01 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
My suggestion: Let's create a test on scientific reasoning that does not rely on existing knowledge about any particular field!

This is possibly the most interesting and constructive thread I've seen in the Science forum to date.

My compliments, DC! There are some great questions there already.

I think there ought to be something about the transition from conjecture to hypothesis, since that catches a lot of philosophically-minded members out. Also, for the same reason, something about the difference between scientific verification and logical proof. Finally, something about when a change in ontology is necessary and valid, and when it isn't, since that catches even some of our more science-literate members at times.
Cool! I don't think I'm qualified to make questions about these topics (in fact I'm not quite sure what the last one means), but they sound like great additions!
If anyone has ideas for these, please add them. Otherwise I'll seek to come up with some as time permits.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
Diqiucun_Cunmin
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5/25/2016 1:51:20 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/25/2016 1:42:47 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 5/24/2016 10:28:17 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 5/24/2016 6:25:01 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
My suggestion: Let's create a test on scientific reasoning that does not rely on existing knowledge about any particular field!

This is possibly the most interesting and constructive thread I've seen in the Science forum to date.

My compliments, DC! There are some great questions there already.
And thanks for the compliments :D
I think there ought to be something about the transition from conjecture to hypothesis, since that catches a lot of philosophically-minded members out. Also, for the same reason, something about the difference between scientific verification and logical proof. Finally, something about when a change in ontology is necessary and valid, and when it isn't, since that catches even some of our more science-literate members at times.
Cool! I don't think I'm qualified to make questions about these topics (in fact I'm not quite sure what the last one means), but they sound like great additions!
If anyone has ideas for these, please add them. Otherwise I'll seek to come up with some as time permits.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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5/26/2016 1:12:01 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Added some, too. Might add more later :)
: At 7/2/2016 3:05:07 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
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: space contradicts logic
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5/27/2016 9:16:29 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/26/2016 1:12:01 PM, Fkkize wrote:
Added some, too. Might add more later :)

Sorry, but this quiz was not intended to test people on any specific branch of science... It was conceived of as a reaction to this quiz: http://www.debate.org... since it mainly tested knowledge rather than scientific reasoning. Perhaps you could keep some of the questions, but it would be necessary to provide any formulae or concepts needed to complete them :)
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
Diqiucun_Cunmin
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5/27/2016 9:16:54 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/26/2016 4:39:32 PM, Chaosism wrote:
Who added Q#5? I am curious as to whether I have the correct answer or not...

I did. What's your answer?
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
Chaosism
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5/27/2016 1:26:03 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 9:16:54 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 5/26/2016 4:39:32 PM, Chaosism wrote:
Who added Q#5? I am curious as to whether I have the correct answer or not...

I did. What's your answer?

I private messaged you.
Fkkize
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5/29/2016 10:00:25 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 9:16:29 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 5/26/2016 1:12:01 PM, Fkkize wrote:
Added some, too. Might add more later :)

Sorry, but this quiz was not intended to test people on any specific branch of science... It was conceived of as a reaction to this quiz: http://www.debate.org... since it mainly tested knowledge rather than scientific reasoning. Perhaps you could keep some of the questions, but it would be necessary to provide any formulae or concepts needed to complete them :)

I imagined the chemistry one might be to specific. I can probably coome up with a better one. The other two, about energy and the coulomb force, are, I believe, answerable by most people (who said the questions of a scientific literacy quiz have to such that anyone can get them right?)
In the end it's your quiz and you can of course kick out the questions you don't like.
: At 7/2/2016 3:05:07 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
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: space contradicts logic
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5/29/2016 11:21:48 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 10:00:25 AM, Fkkize wrote:
At 5/27/2016 9:16:29 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 5/26/2016 1:12:01 PM, Fkkize wrote:
Added some, too. Might add more later :)

Sorry, but this quiz was not intended to test people on any specific branch of science... It was conceived of as a reaction to this quiz: http://www.debate.org... since it mainly tested knowledge rather than scientific reasoning. Perhaps you could keep some of the questions, but it would be necessary to provide any formulae or concepts needed to complete them :)

I imagined the chemistry one might be to specific. I can probably coome up with a better one. The other two, about energy and the coulomb force, are, I believe, answerable by most people (who said the questions of a scientific literacy quiz have to such that anyone can get them right?)
In the end it's your quiz and you can of course kick out the questions you don't like.

It's not that the questions have to be such that anyone can get them right, but rather, I was trying to make a quiz that serves as an alternative to the knowledge-based Pew Research one, which had questions like what creates the tides or what waves are used to make cell phone calls (if you thought everyone can do these, you're in for a huge surprise :P).

Lol I can't do the coulomb force one either... Like I told you, I didn't take any chemistry after high school (I only knew about the f = ma thing because my maths lecturer had us find a Taylor polynomial for Einstein's version). If you provide any additional information needed to complete the question, that would be appreciated, since that would be a test of scientific reasoning rather than knowledge (which I was hoping to test in this quiz).

The units thing is okay, methinks, since manipulating units *is* pretty important for scientific reasoning, and there's a fairly easy way to get the correct answer using daily-life knowledge.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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6/6/2016 7:52:17 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/24/2016 6:25:01 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
My suggestion: Let's create a test on scientific reasoning that does not rely on existing knowledge about any particular field!

To get the ball rolling, I've written three questions. Feel free to improve on them or add new questions :D

https://docs.google.com...

This post deserves to be bumped
Meh!
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6/23/2016 3:15:42 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 12:58:56 PM, Axonly wrote:
Is this still active by any chance?

I added a few questions a while back, but haven't heard anything about or seen a change in it since then.
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6/25/2016 11:36:42 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/23/2016 12:58:56 PM, Axonly wrote:
Is this still active by any chance?

If you keep it active by adding questions or commenting on existing ones :)
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...