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Syko
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6/5/2016 11:00:25 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
So I'm looking at all the recent topics. Massive discussion on the flat earth, why evolution is wrong and how the big bang never happened...

Is it because the science forum is situated next to the religion forum that all this spill over is happening? Otherwise it's kinda depressing to see all this lack of science.

imo keep religion in the religion forum. Atm there's more religion in the science forum than science.
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distraff
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6/6/2016 2:58:07 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 11:00:25 PM, Syko wrote:
So I'm looking at all the recent topics. Massive discussion on the flat earth, why evolution is wrong and how the big bang never happened...

Is it because the science forum is situated next to the religion forum that all this spill over is happening? Otherwise it's kinda depressing to see all this lack of science.

imo keep religion in the religion forum. Atm there's more religion in the science forum than science.

The shape of the earth, the theory of evolution, and the big bang are scientific ideas and any thread addressing them can be in the science forum.
Axonly
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6/6/2016 3:01:13 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 11:00:25 PM, Syko wrote:
So I'm looking at all the recent topics. Massive discussion on the flat earth, why evolution is wrong and how the big bang never happened...

Is it because the science forum is situated next to the religion forum that all this spill over is happening? Otherwise it's kinda depressing to see all this lack of science.

imo keep religion in the religion forum. Atm there's more religion in the science forum than science.

Those topics are generally "Religion vs Science", so naturally these threads end up here (Unfortunately)
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DanneJeRusse
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6/6/2016 3:17:41 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 2:58:07 AM, distraff wrote:
At 6/5/2016 11:00:25 PM, Syko wrote:
So I'm looking at all the recent topics. Massive discussion on the flat earth, why evolution is wrong and how the big bang never happened...

Is it because the science forum is situated next to the religion forum that all this spill over is happening? Otherwise it's kinda depressing to see all this lack of science.

imo keep religion in the religion forum. Atm there's more religion in the science forum than science.

The shape of the earth, the theory of evolution, and the big bang are scientific ideas and any thread addressing them can be in the science forum.

Agreed. If those topics are denied or argued from scriptural doctrines ie. creationism, can they remain here or should they be moved to Religion?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
distraff
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6/6/2016 3:44:42 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 3:17:41 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/6/2016 2:58:07 AM, distraff wrote:
At 6/5/2016 11:00:25 PM, Syko wrote:
So I'm looking at all the recent topics. Massive discussion on the flat earth, why evolution is wrong and how the big bang never happened...

Is it because the science forum is situated next to the religion forum that all this spill over is happening? Otherwise it's kinda depressing to see all this lack of science.

imo keep religion in the religion forum. Atm there's more religion in the science forum than science.

The shape of the earth, the theory of evolution, and the big bang are scientific ideas and any thread addressing them can be in the science forum.

Agreed. If those topics are denied or argued from scriptural doctrines ie. creationism, can they remain here or should they be moved to Religion?

Someone may disagree with a scientific theory for religious reasons but because the topic of the thread is about science then it makes most sense that it be in the science forum.
DanneJeRusse
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6/6/2016 4:01:47 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/6/2016 3:44:42 AM, distraff wrote:
At 6/6/2016 3:17:41 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/6/2016 2:58:07 AM, distraff wrote:
At 6/5/2016 11:00:25 PM, Syko wrote:
So I'm looking at all the recent topics. Massive discussion on the flat earth, why evolution is wrong and how the big bang never happened...

Is it because the science forum is situated next to the religion forum that all this spill over is happening? Otherwise it's kinda depressing to see all this lack of science.

imo keep religion in the religion forum. Atm there's more religion in the science forum than science.

The shape of the earth, the theory of evolution, and the big bang are scientific ideas and any thread addressing them can be in the science forum.

Agreed. If those topics are denied or argued from scriptural doctrines ie. creationism, can they remain here or should they be moved to Religion?

Someone may disagree with a scientific theory for religious reasons but because the topic of the thread is about science then it makes most sense that it be in the science forum.

Good point, the same would apply to a political ideal argued from a religious position to be in Politics, for example. Not everything argued from a religious position need always be in the Religion forum.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
RuvDraba
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6/6/2016 5:49:44 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 11:00:25 PM, Syko wrote:
Is it because the science forum is situated next to the religion forum that all this spill over is happening?
Science itself is hard to debate, because the proven stuff has eliminated all reasonable alternatives, while the conjectural stuff is only speculative because it needs more data. So people interested in science tend to just share news, or pose the occasional problem to solve. That leaves three groups wanting to debate established science.

The biggest group are those who want their religion to regain authority lost through embarrassing doctrinal errors. Despite knowledge of these errors now being over a century old in many cases, and generally accepted within their faith, they still feel entitled to once-held paternalistic authority, so they have to attack the science.

Then there are the pseudoscientists. They're zealots with no knowledge of scientific methods, who just seek air-time pushing their favourite wheelbarrow. Without exception, they're all cranks and crackpots.

Then there are the mystics and philosophers interested in exploring the experience of being human. They're the most interesting group and I wish there were more of them, but unfortunately they don't understand that language, intuition and reason are insufficient for scientific discussion. So they keep trying to elbow intellectual equivalence from a place of lower accountability.

All three kinds of discussions are legitimate in principle, in the sense that all science is empirically contestable, and it's often interesting to see why pseudoscience isn't legitimate even as a conjecture, or how philosophy and science have drifted apart.

However, the discussions themselves are doomed by antiscientific participants refusing to learn and accept the premises under which science operates. So virtually all such discussions are conducted in bad faith by the people wishing to prosecute them.

That's my take anyway. :)